Royston. Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 What did you expect when we picked up Ryan Bertrand on a free? In theory it made sense to have an experienced back up left back but he has been relied upon too often and isn't up to it. Bertrand, Vestergaard, Lookman. New signings which haven't improved us and in fact are making us worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesNotGudjonsonn2 Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 Is it just me that doesn’t think Lookman is as bad as others think? Whenever I watch him, I feel there is something there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 Haha Bertrand so bad a crap Lookman has hijacked his thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W7Fox Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 Just now, HesNotGudjonsonn2 said: Is it just me that doesn’t think Lookman is as bad as others think? Whenever I watch him, I feel there is something there. Lookman is fine. By no means pulling up trees but certainly not letting anyone down. Bertrand on the other hand has been woeful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFox Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 16 minutes ago, Royston. said: What did you expect when we picked up Ryan Bertrand on a free? In theory it made sense to have an experienced back up left back but he has been relied upon too often and isn't up to it. Bertrand, Vestergaard, Lookman. New signings which haven't improved us and in fact are making us worse. I had expected this was in the main a like-for-like replacement for Fuchs moving on. I’ve been utterly bewildered by the apparent complete lack of positional awareness this guy has, his decision making when to go tight and press or when to drop deep. Last night his performance was absolutely woeful. He was all over the shop, didn’t have a clue where he was. Summed up perfectly at one point when Maddison was tracking back and about to press the ball, Bertrand (also running back) also decides he’s going to go to the man on the ball whilst another Liverpool players runs off him for a nice easy ball down the line and then driving into our box, he’s an absolute waste of space and that’s not due to any illness/COVID related issues, he clearly just isn’t very good and doesn’t have the positional sense you would rightly expect of a professional in his thirties!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 23 December 2021 Author Share Posted 23 December 2021 4 hours ago, eblair said: he's everything i thought danny simpson would be ironically i thought he would be like danny simpson was Great shout. Ie you imagined you'd end up hating Simpson because he didn't give a shit, and loving Bertrand for the professionalism, endeavour and know how. **** me, can we get Pearson back? Ryan Cunting Bertrand wouldn't last 2 mins under Pearson. Quick headbutt, broken nose, sort yer attitude sonny Jim if you're playing for me and earn yer wage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 Someone said Soton fans rate him. And he did look good preseason. I don't think he's genuinely a bad player. But he's shocking out there currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 50 minutes ago, Royston. said: What did you expect when we picked up Ryan Bertrand on a free? In theory it made sense to have an experienced back up left back but he has been relied upon too often and isn't up to it. Bertrand, Vestergaard, Lookman. New signings which haven't improved us and in fact are making us worse. Why did we need a backup when both Castange and Thomas can play left back? I still don't understand that. There were other position in more pressing need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 Just now, Foxxed said: Why did we need a backup when both Castange and Thomas can play left back? I still don't understand that. There were other position in more pressing need. Because going into the season with 3 full backs, one of which struggling to come back from a serious injury, another who had just had his face caved in, and a youngster would not have been smart It made sense to go out and get another left back, and it made sense for them to be experienced like Bertrand to replace Fuchs Just got the player wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 14 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Because going into the season with 3 full backs, one of which struggling to come back from a serious injury, another who had just had his face caved in, and a youngster would not have been smart It made sense to go out and get another left back, and it made sense for them to be experienced like Bertrand to replace Fuchs Just got the player wrong Going in the season we had: Right back: Castange, Ricardo (injured and looking iffy), Amartey (not a fullback) Left back: Castange, Thomas Why not reinforce the right back position? Maybe no one was available but it seemed strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFox99 Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 9 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Going in the season we had: Right back: Castange, Ricardo (injured and looking iffy), Amartey (not a fullback) Left back: Castange, Thomas Why not reinforce the right back position? Maybe no one was available but it seemed strange. It's easy to say this in hindsight but as mentioned, Tim just had his face caved in and Thomas was by no means the safe bet that he's become now. Getting in another LB was the logical thing to do. Had we gotten another RB we'd have been left with only Thomas as a natural, left footed LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Going in the season we had: Right back: Castange, Ricardo (injured and looking iffy), Amartey (not a fullback) Left back: Castange, Thomas Why not reinforce the right back position? Maybe no one was available but it seemed strange. At the start of the season Ricardo wasn't injured and looking iffy, he was looking like he might actually be decent again until he picked up another injury against Norwich We also didn't know what Castagne would be like coming back from his injury So at that point we had 2 right backs, one of which can cover on the left (although never has really impressed me much on the left), and a young left back Our position looked much better having 2 actual right backs and 2 actual left backs going into the season, and then when JJ returns you dump Bertrand down to 3rd choice and have Right back: Ricardo and Castagne Left back: JJ and Thomas It made sense to do what we did Edited 23 December 2021 by moore_94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 33 minutes ago, LFox99 said: It's easy to say this in hindsight but as mentioned, Tim just had his face caved in and Thomas was by no means the safe bet that he's become now. Getting in another LB was the logical thing to do. Had we gotten another RB we'd have been left with only Thomas as a natural, left footed LB. You say Thomas wasn't a safe bet but he'd just won the FA cup. I'm more annoyed Rodgers didn't put all his faith in a young FA Cup winning England international honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFox99 Posted 23 December 2021 Share Posted 23 December 2021 8 minutes ago, Foxxed said: You say Thomas wasn't a safe bet but he'd just won the FA cup. I'm more annoyed Rodgers didn't put all his faith in a young FA Cup winning England international honestly. We all saw he was inconsistent and even at the start of this season I remember him having one or two howlers of performances. Don't get me wrong, I'm ****ing glad he's turned out so well but it would have been quite the risk to take to have him as the only natural left sided option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc sheff Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 Rather Fuchs stayed on another season, and Wes for that matter instead of these two shocking defenders we’ve signed. Bertrand would be shit even in championship and vestergaard doesn’t suit this league at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 9 hours ago, LFox99 said: We all saw he was inconsistent and even at the start of this season I remember him having one or two howlers of performances. Don't get me wrong, I'm ****ing glad he's turned out so well but it would have been quite the risk to take to have him as the only natural left sided option. The risk was in Rodgers' judgement, or lack of it. He could see what a gem of a player Thomas was (he had had very few iffy performances) but was not brave enough to put his confidence in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhermon Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 Berty and his mate the slow moving oil tanker need games they should be kept up to speed by running around in the U23 team keep them match fit and keep the mind sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyKopCorner Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 After his performance in Naples I'd have cancelled his contract - Nothing personal just not up to it and doesn't give any inclination that he wants to be here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 10 hours ago, Foxxed said: You say Thomas wasn't a safe bet but he'd just won the FA cup. I'm more annoyed Rodgers didn't put all his faith in a young FA Cup winning England international honestly. He has soon faith in him, he gave him his debut and has played him plenty of time. What's hard to understand we needed a another LB as we only had one fit one. Riccardo and Castange woulld be sharing RB duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 4 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said: After his performance in Naples I'd have cancelled his contract - Nothing personal just not up to it and doesn't give any inclination that he wants to be here. You can't just cancel a contract you would have to pay up two year contract in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyKopCorner Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 12 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: You can't just cancel a contract you would have to pay up two year contract in advance. Absolutely negotiate a cancellation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 24 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: You can't just cancel a contract you would have to pay up two year contract in advance. Just lock him out of the training ground IMO, he will get the hint soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 This is a joke. Cut the guy some slack and let him get some fitness and play himself into form. You bunch of fickle fannies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestLothianFox Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 Lets just hope that if someone has to be left out of the 25 man squad that is named in January, its Bertrand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 24 December 2021 Share Posted 24 December 2021 2 minutes ago, WestLothianFox said: Lets just hope that if someone has to be left out of the 25 man squad that is named in January, its Bertrand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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