Rearranged Games - When?

[BKLFox]

We need to play Burnley and Everton as soon as we can especially Everton b4 Rafa is booted 

[Soar Fox]

13 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We need to play Burnley and Everton as soon as we can especially Everton b4 Rafa is booted 

We had our chance and we didn’t fancy it twice. 

[Matt]

52 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We need to play Burnley and Everton as soon as we can especially Everton b4 Rafa is booted 

Nah we had no appetite for it. Twice.

 

Edited 15 January 2022 by Matt

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

We had our chance and we didn’t fancy it twice. 

Yep. Said at the time if was a massive error to call that off. Like I've said elsewhere we've hardly looked any worse with this many out, and you can hardly trust us to have many available in the next few weeks anyway. They're that dreadful I think we could've won there even with a couple of the Watford side playing.

 

Real bummer Spurs game was off. That's the slight advantage you'd hope from ours being off gone.

 

Totally unserious season yet again. Integrity of the competition  who are they kidding.

[CosbehFox]

Well one of those Everton occasions was for a genuine COVID outbreak where the training ground was closed by the authorities. 

[Dan]

The first one was fair enough. The second was an error by us.

[Super_horns]

Is there a case of getting out of Europe sooner than really hoped to get these games filled in?

 

I mean you've got the FA Cup too but will want to go well in that again.

 

We have Burnley on Tuesday...must be in doubt. 

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

17 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Is there a case of getting out of Europe sooner than really hoped to get these games filled in?

 

I mean you've got the FA Cup too but will want to go well in that again.

 

We have Burnley on Tuesday...must be in doubt. 

 

The ECL may be our best route back into the Europa league ……….

 

we’ve won the fa cup …… next on the list is a European trophy ……even if it is the rumbelows …..

[Guest Lcfc82]

22 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Is there a case of getting out of Europe sooner than really hoped to get these games filled in?

 

I mean you've got the FA Cup too but will want to go well in that again.

 

We have Burnley on Tuesday...must be in doubt. 

 

 

 

I hope not, I hope we target the 2 cups to be honest. Forget about the league now.

[StanSP]

3 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

The first one was fair enough. The second was an error by us.

I partially blame the PL for this though for rearranging the game so soon when there were quite clearly difficulties with squad depth and COVID was still amongst the squad. 

 

Maybe if the game hadn't have been rearranged in the midst of all this shite going on then we wouldn't even be in this farce as much as we are. 

[Matt]

11 hours ago, StanSP said:

I partially blame the PL for this though for rearranging the game so soon when there were quite clearly difficulties with squad depth and COVID was still amongst the squad. 

 

Maybe if the game hadn't have been rearranged in the midst of all this shite going on then we wouldn't even be in this farce as much as we are. 

Thing is the narrative has long been games were being cancelled due to Covid.

 

I even claimed we’d called games off with it largely being nothing to do with Covid and everything about injuries, we got on with it v Napoli, Rodgers even said he didn’t see any reason for the Newcastle game to be cancelled and then all of a sudden there was a shift of opinion ‘The Tottenham game must be cancelled!’.

 

Back then (as far as I knew or was concerned) you could only cancel games on grounds that you had players out with Covid.

 

On the day of the game we got two more cases, apparently, coincidence or not causing a postponement, I’m led to believe you don’t even have to give evidence of positive tests to the authorities so that in itself makes it so easy to get a game called off in a click of your fingers, it also leaves a huge question marks on integrity and transparency.

 

Even when the Everton game was rearranged there was still the narrative games are only cancelled due to Covid - of which when the Everton game had been rescheduled any Covid effected players should have been available again therefore the new date shouldn’t have been a problem.

 

For me it was tit for tat, petty from both sides of the argument, and the PL testing the waters to see what the real reason was (even though they’ve allowed this situation to arise due to their rule changes). A game of chess between club and authority. Checkmate.

 

In the last week that narrative has taken another huge shift, we’ve gone full circle and clubs are cancelling games with nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with injuries and/or not have their best players available to play their best/strongest teams - something I claimed in the first place.

Gary Neville says it far better in less words:

 

Edited 16 January 2022 by Matt

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Thing is the narrative has long been games were being cancelled due to Covid.

 

I even claimed we’d called games off with it largely being nothing to do with Covid and everything about injuries, we got on with it v Napoli, Rodgers even said he didn’t see any reason for the Newcastle game to be cancelled and then all of a sudden there was a shift of opinion ‘The Tottenham game must be cancelled!’.

 

Back then (as far as I knew or was concerned) you could only cancel games on grounds that you had players out with Covid.

 

On the day of the game we got two more cases, apparently, coincidence or not causing a postponement, I’m led to believe you don’t even have to give evidence of positive tests to the authorities so that in itself makes it so easy to get a game called off in a click of your fingers, it also leaves a huge question marks on integrity and transparency.

 

Even when the Everton game was rearranged there was still the narrative games are only cancelled due to Covid - of which when the Everton game had been rescheduled any Covid effected players should have been available again therefore the new date shouldn’t have been a problem.

 

For me it was tit for tat, petty from both sides of the argument, and the PL testing the waters to see what the real reason was (even though they’ve allowed this situation to arise due to their rule changes). A game of chess between club and authority. Checkmate.

 

In the last week that narrative has taken another huge shift, we’ve gone full circle and clubs are cancelling games with nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with injuries and/or not have their best players available to play their best/strongest teams - something I claimed in the first place.

 

Read the PL statement from yesterday Matt - it is clear that covid must be a part of a request for postponement. 

 

Club requests are assessed on a case-by-case basis, based on existing rules and adapted COVID-19 postponement guidance, implemented in light of the Omicron variant.

The Board examines a number of factors, including the ability of a club to field a team; the status, severity and potential impact of COVID-19; and the ability of the players to safely prepare for and play the match.

however, once we get to February, I think that they have to amend these rules to state that a minimum of five covid absences as part of 13 or less o/field players has to exist for a postponement.  Then clubs will only be able to cancel if they have five covid cases and a similar number of other absentees due to injury. 
 

if all covid restrictions are removed (as is rumoured) then the ruling will surely go completely ?
 

 

Edited 16 January 2022 by st albans fox

[grobyfox1990]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Thing is the narrative has long been games were being cancelled due to Covid.

 

I even claimed we’d called games off with it largely being nothing to do with Covid and everything about injuries, we got on with it v Napoli, Rodgers even said he didn’t see any reason for the Newcastle game to be cancelled and then all of a sudden there was a shift of opinion ‘The Tottenham game must be cancelled!’.

 

Back then (as far as I knew or was concerned) you could only cancel games on grounds that you had players out with Covid.

 

On the day of the game we got two more cases, apparently, coincidence or not causing a postponement, I’m led to believe you don’t even have to give evidence of positive tests to the authorities so that in itself makes it so easy to get a game called off in a click of your fingers, it also leaves a huge question marks on integrity and transparency.

 

Even when the Everton game was rearranged there was still the narrative games are only cancelled due to Covid - of which when the Everton game had been rescheduled any Covid effected players should have been available again therefore the new date shouldn’t have been a problem.

 

For me it was tit for tat, petty from both sides of the argument, and the PL testing the waters to see what the real reason was (even though they’ve allowed this situation to arise due to their rule changes). A game of chess between club and authority. Checkmate.

 

In the last week that narrative has taken another huge shift, we’ve gone full circle and clubs are cancelling games with nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with injuries and/or not have their best players available to play their best/strongest teams - something I claimed in the first place.

 

Covid has something to do with the cancellations, but not everything. If you read the cancellation statements, they’re usually ‘game called off due to a mix of covid, afcon, injuries’ etc. I’d also be dubious around the self reporting issue. Klopp very nearly dropped Liverpool in it when he let slip false positives were reported, and then seemingly went round and round to justify himself incoherently 

[Matt]

21 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Read the PL statement from yesterday Matt - it is clear that covid must be a part of a request for postponement. 

 

Club requests are assessed on a case-by-case basis, based on existing rules and adapted COVID-19 postponement guidance, implemented in light of the Omicron variant.

The Board examines a number of factors, including the ability of a club to field a team; the status, severity and potential impact of COVID-19; and the ability of the players to safely prepare for and play the match.

however, once we get to February, I think that they have to amend these rules to state that a minimum of five covid absences as part of 13 or less o/field players has to exist for a postponement.  Then clubs will only be able to cancel if they have five covid cases and a similar number of other absentees due to injury. 
 

if all covid restrictions are removed (as is rumoured) then the ruling will surely go completely ?
 

 

Oh it must be a part.

 

How much or how true I question and am skeptical of though.

 

Which is where integrity and transparency comes under scrutiny.

 

Edited 16 January 2022 by Matt

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh it must be a part.

 

How much or how true I question and am skeptical of though.

 

Which is where integrity and transparency comes under scrutiny.

 

You’re right to be sceptical 

let me give you an example of how I believe their rules can be manipulated 

 

we are pretty sure that albrighton tested positive and wasn’t one of the non vaxed isolators.  we could make a case that he is suffering from some fatigue as a consequence of his infection and unable to train to be available for a midweek game following an appearance on a Saturday.  That would surely fall within the boundaries of post covid impacts on players.  it’s just way too loose and when the original rules were brought in December, they should have seen how grey these were and set a minimum number of covid cases affecting preparation for a game or PHE advising closure of the training complex. 

[Raw Dykes]

44 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Read the PL statement from yesterday Matt - it is clear that covid must be a part of a request for postponement. 

 

Club requests are assessed on a case-by-case basis, based on existing rules and adapted COVID-19 postponement guidance, implemented in light of the Omicron variant.

The Board examines a number of factors, including the ability of a club to field a team; the status, severity and potential impact of COVID-19; and the ability of the players to safely prepare for and play the match.

however, once we get to February, I think that they have to amend these rules to state that a minimum of five covid absences as part of 13 or less o/field players has to exist for a postponement.  Then clubs will only be able to cancel if they have five covid cases and a similar number of other absentees due to injury. 
 

if all covid restrictions are removed (as is rumoured) then the ruling will surely go completely ?

Is the bit in italics the statement from yesterday?

[st albans fox]

Just now, Raw Dykes said:

Is the bit in italics the statement from yesterday?

Yes

[Raw Dykes]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Yes

Well, it's certainly not clear whether Covid is necessary for a postponement. What are the existing rules?

[LanguedocFox]

This may have been raised already but why are there no PL or International matches on the weekend of 29/30 January? Difficult to see why postponed games can’t be rearranged for those dates. Unless I’m being thick as usual.

[Corky]

8 minutes ago, LanguedocFox said:

This may have been raised already but why are there no PL or International matches on the weekend of 29/30 January? Difficult to see why postponed games can’t be rearranged for those dates. Unless I’m being thick as usual.

Qualifiers for the World Cup in South America and Asia, I believe. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Raw Dykes said:

Well, it's certainly not clear whether Covid is necessary for a postponement. What are the existing rules?

Grey 

Afaik, no club has ever managed to call off a PL game because of injuries 

 

and the statement yesterday doubles down on the covid aspect but as I’ve also illustrated above, it’s v simple to manipulate a covid excuse ….

[LanguedocFox]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

Qualifiers for the World Cup in South America and Asia, I believe. 

If that's accurate, it's bloody ridiculous! How many players in total will that involve? Far fewer than Afcon, I'd have thought.

[Raw Dykes]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Grey 

Afaik, no club has ever managed to call off a PL game because of injuries 

 

and the statement yesterday doubles down on the covid aspect but as I’ve also illustrated above, it’s v simple to manipulate a covid excuse ….

They may be grey, but that's why I'm puzzled as to why you keep claiming a club has to have a Covid case for a postponement to be considered. The rules state that injuries are a valid reason for a postponement.

 

Does it matter if a club has never managed to call a game off before because of injuries? There's a first time for everything.

 

You say 'double down,' but I'd just say Covid's just mentioned again, which is hardly surprising.

[KFS]

This catches us up doesn’t it? Is it even possible?
 

Everton Jan 26

Norwich Jan 29

Burnley Feb 2nd

 

It’d kill the squad, mind.

 

[BakerLCFC]

28 minutes ago, KFS said:

This catches us up doesn’t it? Is it even possible?
 

Everton Jan 26

Norwich Jan 29

Burnley Feb 2nd

 

It’d kill the squad, mind.

 

It doesn’t catch us up as still need to fit the Chelsea game in as well! According to the premier league website we have 4 games to catch up! Mental