jayfox26 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 Just now, sylofox said: Except the training ground and ground expansion dont affect ffp. Player wages and transfer fees do. Even if we had 200m we could not spend it on players this window. So if we cant get what we want at a price why mess up our summer spending up just to fill a gap. Our problems are injuries with players on the way back. See the season out then sort it out in the summer. I'm not suggesting the training ground and stadium have any affect on ffp but it has eaten a large chunk of money meaning we have less to spend on players. I'm not even sure ffp is a thing anymore with the way Villa have just gone wild recently.
MalletFox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 3 hours ago, Gravel said: Sometimes best to go home alone and have a wank rather than be lumbered with a munta in the morning. Agreed, but back to Transfer Deadline Day please!!
sylofox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 Just now, jayfox26 said: I'm not suggesting the training ground and stadium have any affect on ffp but it has eaten a large chunk of money meaning we have less to spend on players. I'm not even sure ffp is a thing anymore with the way Villa have just gone wild recently. Villa have just sold a player for 100m so can spend money.
jayfox26 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 Just now, sylofox said: Villa have just sold a player for 100m so can spend money. That £100m doesn't even touch the sides with how much they've spent over the past 2-3 years. And their wage bill will be ridiculous!
Jobyfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 Just now, jayfox26 said: That £100m doesn't even touch the sides with how much they've spent over the past 2-3 years. And their wage bill will be ridiculous! Villa and Everton have been gambling big time. It caught up with the latter last summer so I’m hoping Villa will similarly implode at some point
sylofox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: That £100m doesn't even touch the sides with how much they've spent over the past 2-3 years. And their wage bill will be ridiculous! They have a yearly spend like all clubs. So what are you saying you want us to be run like them and Everton. Or we could do a sheep.
kingkisnorbo Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 Hoping this quiet window is so we can rebuild in the summer🤞🏽 1
jayfox26 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 5 minutes ago, sylofox said: They have a yearly spend like all clubs. So what are you saying you want us to be run like them and Everton. Or we could do a sheep. No I'm not saying we should be like them. The way our club has been ran has been brilliant. I do think it's negligent however to send the team into the 2nd half of the season with a depleted squad. Injuries can't be helped, we've had a shit time with it, but I just can't believe there was no players we could have got in on loan this window. Another couple of injuries and we will be looking over our shoulders towards the relegation fodder. It's highly unlikely we'll be in the relegation scrap but that says more about the shite at the bottom of the league than it does about us right now.
Ric Flair Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 1 hour ago, Gazza M said: Maybe the club have said "no money available Brendan, you have made the signings you have in the summer, now work with it." If that is the case, it's an indication that the manager is indeed ultimately in charge in who we sign and the club are telling him to get on with it, as opposed to it being a more careful and considered recruitment process that's not really the remit solely of the manager.
jayfox26 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 13 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said: Hoping this quiet window is so we can rebuild in the summer🤞🏽 That's what I'm hoping. If we have a shite summer window then questions need to be asked of the powers that be. Can't see Rodgers hanging around if he won't be backed this summer.
The_77 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 15 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: That's what I'm hoping. If we have a shite summer window then questions need to be asked of the powers that be. Can't see Rodgers hanging around if he won't be backed this summer. We’ve injured enough players this season, no need to ruin anyone else’s career. 1
Nick Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 I don’t know why all the hope has vanished? Come on FT’ers there’s still just over 9 minutes to go?
hejammy Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 When was the last window where we actually signed no one?
RonnieTodger Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 6 minutes ago, hejammy said: When was the last window where we actually signed no one? I don’t think we signed anyone last January either. All the departures are making for funny reading.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 3 hours ago, jayfox26 said: And there are also many players looking for loan moves this window. Many clubs have strengthened and we've done nothing despite having a depleted squad. If we do nothing now and go big to improve the squad in the summer then fine. If we piss arse around in the summer and end up with a squad not capable of competing towards the top 6 of the table then there will be serious questions asked of the people running the club. We have done fantastically well building the club over the past 10 years to be a real force and compete with the top teams but if we are now happy as a club to accept mediocrity and fall behind the likes of Villa, West Ham, etc then that will be hugely disappointing and not what Vichai would have wanted. All well and good having a great training ground and expanding the stadium but if the players using the training ground aren't good enough then we won't fill our expanded stadium. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes I know but it's worrying Rodgers hasn't been backed in this window when the squad is so depleted. He has hardly been properly backed financially on transfers since he got here, he’s just been given the minimum - it’s not worrying, it’s just the MO. Hasn’t been given the RW we’ve craved (Perez was daft, no sympathy for that signing whoever it was that was responsible), wasn’t given the CB we needed in 19/20, wasn’t given the midfielder we needed last year. Of course, part of it is down to him and the people he’s put in place But also it doesnt really get questioned beyond that though cos we’ve got the ‘best owners in football’ and people are too worried about having worse owners to question decisions that are made. Money doesn’t guarantee anything but given how close we were, refusing to spend money has cost us top 4 twice.
LFox99 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 I think it's just that our owners can't really afford to splash out right now. Because despite the pandemic going on, they're still laying out cash for the stadium expansion and the development of the area. There's not gonna be a lot left in the tank. I'd assume we get something around 30-40m next summer to spend on top of what we make through sales. Just how it is really. According to Tanner, Top has been spending much more time back in Thailand trying to get the business back into shape. 1
foxinsox Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 26 minutes ago, LFox99 said: I think it's just that our owners can't really afford to splash out right now. Because despite the pandemic going on, they're still laying out cash for the stadium expansion and the development of the area. There's not gonna be a lot left in the tank. I'd assume we get something around 30-40m next summer to spend on top of what we make through sales. Just how it is really. According to Tanner, Top has been spending much more time back in Thailand trying to get the business back into shape. Yep. Hard to see the Duty Free business being very profitable at the moment. They must be skint. Indeed we should be grateful that it is still solvent. Let's hope King Power has better 2022.
Ric Flair Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 It's absolutely nothing to do with King Powers cash flow. They've not propped the club up on the playing side for years and they wouldn't risk any breach of FFP, regardless of whether its a mockery or not. They weren't happy with how the EFL went after them for when we were in the Championship and recognise we have to become relatively self sufficient. Whether the King Power earnt 3 billion last year or only 500 million, that wouldn't make much difference except for maybe the loan arrangement on the training ground and stadium expansion. They also aren't going to suddenly pinch £50m from the club to stick in to KP so it's pretty much irrelevant. The only thing that might happen is whether at some point they feel they want to step aside if their focus is too much back home but I doubt it. 2
The_77 Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 13 hours ago, hejammy said: When was the last window where we actually signed no one? Last winter
coolhandfox Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 3 hours ago, Ric Flair said: It's absolutely nothing to do with King Powers cash flow. They've not propped the club up on the playing side for years and they wouldn't risk any breach of FFP, regardless of whether its a mockery or not. They weren't happy with how the EFL went after them for when we were in the Championship and recognise we have to become relatively self sufficient. Whether the King Power earnt 3 billion last year or only 500 million, that wouldn't make much difference except for maybe the loan arrangement on the training ground and stadium expansion. They also aren't going to suddenly pinch £50m from the club to stick in to KP so it's pretty much irrelevant. The only thing that might happen is whether at some point they feel they want to step aside if their focus is too much back home but I doubt it. They also learn't a lesson after throwing money around in the Sven days and the season after we won the league. Spend money guarantee nothing. I'd imagine Spurs, Villa and Everton have outspent us since are return to the PL and have nothing to show for it. 2
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 Not buying the argument we couldn't have mustered the wages for a loan or £5-10m for some cover that we desperately need. Doesn't make sense in a season where we've had 6, was it? Outfield players fit over Christmas it isn't seen as absolutely imperative to get a few if not just one body in to plug a gap.
Haywood_6 Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 Brendan spent all our money on Vestergaard, what a pillock 1
Scotch Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 The problem with a major summer rebuild is that we have a 25 man squad and we NEED to get players out. I imagine we will lose some starting players but it's some of rhe squad players who need moving and I think that's going to be far easier said than done.
Raw Dykes Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 13 minutes ago, Scotch said: The problem with a major summer rebuild is that we have a 25 man squad and we NEED to get players out. I imagine we will lose some starting players but it's some of rhe squad players who need moving and I think that's going to be far easier said than done. I don't think it will be anything too major. I'm not really concerned, but with last summer's signings being a bit of a mixed bag, it will be important we find more Dakas than Bertrands or Vestergaards next time. I think, overall, we've been experts at handling transfers for a long time now. Probably since Pearson returned. Yes, there have been plenty of duff signings (to be expected with any club), but I think we've dug up far more gems than the vast majority of clubs. I bet we've been one of, if not, the best at getting value for money in the country in that time. If we can carry on recruiting as well as we have been, then this summer could be a great opportunity to improve the squad. We probably won't be involved in Europe next season, so we can probably go for quality over quantity.
sacreblueits442 Posted 1 February 2022 Posted 1 February 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Kopfkino said: He has hardly been properly backed financially on transfers since he got here, he’s just been given the minimum - it’s not worrying, it’s just the MO. Hasn’t been given the RW we’ve craved (Perez was daft, no sympathy for that signing whoever it was that was responsible), wasn’t given the CB we needed in 19/20, wasn’t given the midfielder we needed last year. Of course, part of it is down to him and the people he’s put in place But also it doesnt really get questioned beyond that though cos we’ve got the ‘best owners in football’ and people are too worried about having worse owners to question decisions that are made. Money doesn’t guarantee anything but given how close we were, refusing to spend money has cost us top 4 twice. ....I think our team's weak mentality, took care of that, not lack of finance!!! This has happened twice, we were leading at Spurs we had everything in our hands going into the last minutes, and we imploded again. You have seen it, we all have seen it, we are a mentally weak team. Edited 1 February 2022 by sacreblueits442
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