MPH Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: i sincerely hope that they are not directly targeting the power plant itself… I mean, even if you want to directly effect their power supply surely you can hit the power lines that distributes the power around..
urban.spaceman Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 14 minutes ago, MPH said: i sincerely hope that they are not directly targeting the power plant itself… I mean, even if you want to directly effect their power supply surely you can hit the power lines that distributes the power around.. There’s a livestream from the plant. That seems to be what they’re doing.
Carl the Llama Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Good evening, just popping in to remind you all that Putin is the French word for "bitch". Have a nice night. 1
Countryfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 46 minutes ago, MPH said: i sincerely hope that they are not directly targeting the power plant itself… I mean, even if you want to directly effect their power supply surely you can hit the power lines that distributes the power around.. 31 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: There’s a livestream from the plant. That seems to be what they’re doing. Can’t see him whacking a NPP as it’s on (soon to be) USSR territory .. not even a complete nut job would do that …. surely ..
Countryfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 12 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Good evening, just popping in to remind you all that Putin is the French word for "bitch". Have a nice night. You still up llama .. ain’t it about 2am where you are ..
Carl the Llama Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Countryfox said: You still up llama .. ain’t it about 2am where you are .. I only woke up like 4 hours ago. Been off for a bit so I'm just staying awake until I fall asleep then staying asleep until I wake up. In a couple of days I'll loop back to sleeping during night hours again. Edited 4 March 2022 by Carl the Llama
Countryfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I'm just staying awake until I fall asleep then staying asleep until I wake up. Sounds a bit back to front. I’m awake but soon will be asleep .. courtesy of 5 pints and a few bottles of wine .. actually on my jollies but nearly didn’t make it as had this massive desire to head east .. might be past my prime but stick me up a tree and I’m confident I’ll get a few of them before they get me ..
MPH Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 31 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Can’t see him whacking a NPP as it’s on (soon to be) USSR territory .. not even a complete nut job would do that …. surely .. its bizarre . Why would you decimate the very land you want to take over. I mean, you wouldn’t be able to mine the area, or anything..it would be unusable land..
MPH Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 (edited) I have been reading up quite a bit on the situation and I still can’t say for sure what Putins plans are. A lot of what they are doing doesn’t make any sense. There’s no consistency or position of strength they are focusing on. They seem to almost be changing tact on a daily basis..And now the idea that they might be purposefully attacking a nuclear power plant that has the potential to create a blast 10 times bigger than Chernobyl… a new possibility has to enter the mix - decimate the country to the extent that it is unusable in any way by NATO. Edited 4 March 2022 by MPH
WigstonWanderer Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: What and utter, utter cvnt!. If proof was required that he is mentally unstable, surely this is it? Chernobyl resulted in pollution as far away as Wales if I recall. Surely there must be some adults in the room over there?
Jattdogg Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 31 minutes ago, MPH said: I have been reading up quite a bit on the situation and I still can’t say for sure what Putins plans are. A lot of what they are doing doesn’t make any sense. There’s no consistency or position of strength they are focusing on. They seem to almost be changing tact on a daily basis..And now the idea that they might be purposefully attacking a nuclear power plant that has the potential to create a blast 10 times bigger than Chernobyl… a new possibility has to enter the mix - decimate the country to the extent that it is unusable in any way by NATO. Dont say this often about anyone but the coont gets to murder people, destroy families (lets face it both russian and ukranian) and my mum who was an 'angel' suffered a horrible cancer and died at 57. Life isnt fair but i wouldnt think twice about ending this cvnts life if given a chance. Think plenty of tough keyboard warriors on here would asdfjkl; his face into ashes. Back to reality though, i kind of agree with you to a point. It's a bloody chess game with his mates. Ukraine? Ahhh who needs them, lets eradicate them. Russian people need to wake up. The powerful are nothing without the people. People will always overcome in the end. The people are the army. Over throw putin and take out the oligarchs. I will lay off the coolaid now 2
nnfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Is shelling a nuclear power plant on purpose a way of starting a nuclear war without pressing the button? It's a really concerning development. He seems to be hell bent on causing catestrophic damage with zero regards to the consequences, both with how the West will react and what he might have left to inherit if he does take Ukraine.
Riyad_Suarez Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 18 minutes ago, nnfox said: Is shelling a nuclear power plant on purpose a way of starting a nuclear war without pressing the button? It's a really concerning development. He seems to be hell bent on causing catestrophic damage with zero regards to the consequences, both with how the West will react and what he might have left to inherit if he does take Ukraine. If this isn't the ultimate provocation then it can't be far off. The man is deranged and one of his generals need to make themselves a hero. 1
MPH Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 14 minutes ago, nnfox said: Is shelling a nuclear power plant on purpose a way of starting a nuclear war without pressing the button? It's a really concerning development. He seems to be hell bent on causing catestrophic damage with zero regards to the consequences, both with how the West will react and what he might have left to inherit if he does take Ukraine. it almost sounds like he’s getting desperate to get the Ukrainians to cave in to his demands. It’s also looking like this is evidence that the war clearly hasn’t gone to plan. He feels like he has to live up to the high bar he’s set himself with how things are going to go the exact way he said it would or he’s worried he’ll be seen as a weak leader with no tactical nous. in other words, this is all about his ego. And his own perception of himself about ‘getting the job done’ like a ‘ strong ‘ leader he sees himself as. 2
WigstonWanderer Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Is the UK doing enough to target the Oligarchs? Sounds like Boris is dragging his feet. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/03/putin-oligarchs-uk-slow-at-acting
marbles Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 57 minutes ago, Riyad_Suarez said: If this isn't the ultimate provocation then it can't be far off. The man is deranged and one of his generals need to make themselves a hero. Here’s one General that won’t be able to make themself a hero https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/top-russian-general-reportedly-killed-by-ukrainian-sniper?_amp=true 1
The Year Of The Fox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Sounds like the Russians stopped shooting to allow firefighters to put it out. Surely a good indication Putin hasn’t completely lost the plot?
Jon the Hat Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 7 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Sounds like the Russians stopped shooting to allow firefighters to put it out. Surely a good indication Putin hasn’t completely lost the plot? Ltos of expert types on Twitter saying it cannot be blown up due to the reactor design. Don't they shut down in the event of failure?
gerblod Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 18 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: They are still buying the gas, as is the UK. From recent reports, the UK gets about 3% of its gas from Russia; Germany 40%. I'm unsure as to what point you're making, but would you cut off 40% of your energy supplying fuel overnight and leave both domestic and industrial sectors without power. It's quite ironic that, since 1945, Western Europe has been seduced by American capitalism - the consumption, growth, profit 'formula' - and has sought to power it by dealing with an ex-Communist autocratic totalitarian state. Germany now needs the support of its EU colleague states to transition from its reliance on Russian gas. Had the world begun to lessen power consumption when it was clear that global warming was as a direct result of fossil fuel consumption, then Putin would not have the leverage he now has. We're slaves to the American financial model. Behind our current helplessness to assist Ukraine lies our reliance on an 19th C. industrial addiction - whereby we judge our 'wealth' by what we can accrue in terms of money and goods. And it appears that the development of nuclear power is proving to be anything but the boon it was mooted to be in the '50s. Russian forces have shelled a nuclear power station. The lunatic Putin, not content with taking over the Russian asylum, wants to build extension wings all over Eastern Europe. We're not appeasing him but we're not yet forcing him out. It's going to be a long, hard road to removing his threat. It took five years to remove Hitler - and that was a close run thing. Putin will be a harder but to crack. Of course, we could abandon Ukraine, but Putin will not stop - Hitler didn't. I feel it's necessary to seize all Russian assets in the West - not freeze. Then maybe correctly tax all American businesses in Europe - fairly of course. Then issue a warning to Switzerland to get its act in order. There's huge wealth in the hands of a small number of rich people. This is the absolutely pertinent time to get them to contribute to the defence of the Ukraine and the betterment of all our societies. 4
The Year Of The Fox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 11 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Ltos of expert types on Twitter saying it cannot be blown up due to the reactor design. Don't they shut down in the event of failure? I have no idea. But I’m clutching at straws that if he’s stopped the shooting it means he also doesn’t want any kind of nuclear explosion
Crinklyfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Shelling a nuclear power station has the potential to harm countries outside Ukraine. Putin doesn't care. There is probably no evil he would not commit to achieve his ambitions. 1
gerblod Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 5 hours ago, MPH said: i sincerely hope that they are not directly targeting the power plant itself… I mean, even if you want to directly effect their power supply surely you can hit the power lines that distributes the power around.. A young Ukranian woman reported on FB that the plant was being shelled. I suspect that the kind of precision targeting you're writing about isn't possible using artillery. Any force attacking a nuclear power station is already out of control or controlled by a lunatic. 1
nnfox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 35 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Sounds like the Russians stopped shooting to allow firefighters to put it out. Surely a good indication Putin hasn’t completely lost the plot? I have little doubt that Putin ordered the attack, but I wonder if he was tucked up in bed when it was going on, and some Russian commander on the ground came to his senses and called it off without Putin's knowledge. We'll see soon enough if the shelling resumes. 1
The Year Of The Fox Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 Just now, nnfox said: I have little doubt that Putin ordered the attack, but I wonder if he was tucked up in bed when it was going on, and some Russian commander on the ground came to his senses and called it off without Putin's knowledge. We'll see soon enough if the shelling resumes. True. Tis possible
gerblod Posted 4 March 2022 Posted 4 March 2022 2 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said: Shelling a nuclear power station has the potential to harm countries outside Ukraine. Putin doesn't care. There is probably no evil he would not commit to achieve his ambitions. A few years ago I was in Germany - in the village where my folks live. The police came around telling people to stay inside as there was a rabid dog at large on the edge of the village. They shot it - not without personal risk. Putin is a rabid dog. Unstable, megalomaniac, psychopathic. The Russian people are largely apathetic and very naive. We thought Russia was changing in those years following Perestroika and Glasnost. Turns out the Russians prefer mediaeval society. The West is going to have to find a way of ousting him without it blowing up in our faces.
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