Shane Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 8 minutes ago, Joe90lcfc said: I honestly don’t think anyone will have the bollocks for nuclear warfare in our life time, but I know it’s still to much of a risk to take, I mean even if Putin demanded to be the first to start it I think there will be to many In his own team that wouldn’t agree Lets hope you're right mate. Putin could be bluffing when he says he will retaliate with nuclear weaponry but I wouldn't put it past him!
Pliskin Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 2 minutes ago, Shane said: Lets hope you're right mate. Putin could be bluffing when he says he will retaliate with nuclear weaponry but I wouldn't put it past him! It essentially is a bluff. He’s made the move knowing it will be condemned by the rest of the world. So he’s set his precedent and essentially warned anyone off from intervening in a military capacity. He knows full well that some sort of retaliation will come, hence the sanctions, which he has probably stashed away tonnes of money to lessen the blow. The fact is he wouldn’t have done it if he didn’t think he could defend himself and Russia. Theres only one nation who could use military force to stop him in his tracks and that’s the US, the rest of us simply can’t go charging in like hero’s because the ramifications would be unprecedented. What we need to avoid is getting into a situation where there’s a nuclear stand off of various nations threatening to hit the button so to speak….. 4
Foxdiamond Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 20 minutes ago, Joe90lcfc said: Which he will loose, I just find it staggering we’re the line is set they advance into the next country west and it does justify a ww3, but we will just leave Ukraine to get blitzed We would all lose. If you think this is awful and of course it is then ww3 would be the end. If you think back to the Iron Curtain days then all those behind it were not free as we understand it. We did not go to war with Russia/Soviets in 1956 or 1968. There has always been a line. Upto 1989 that line was the North German Plain.
Guest Lako42 Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians. All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about. If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection.
Foxdiamond Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 26 minutes ago, MPH said: i still don’t think he’d do that. His whole focus is to further the Russian cause- it would be destroyed in retaliation We don't want to risk that.
Joe90lcfc Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 4 minutes ago, Lako42 said: Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians. All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about. If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. Yes put perfectly 👍
casablancas Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 (edited) Putin dropped the N word as a matter of a fear tactic. It’s worked. We already had our hands tied, now they are handcuffed with that threat. We are standing by whilst he actually wipes out an entire population. That’s the aim. They apparently (yes I know, apparently) have planned for public executions… again I say apparently. But no one would be surprised. Edited 3 March 2022 by casablancas
Foxdiamond Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 6 minutes ago, Lako42 said: Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians. All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about. If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. This is why most of us do not become politicians or military leaders. They have to make hard cold judgments that go against the natural human response. Nuclear threat changed everything. In 1914 Britain went to war to defend Belgium. Right thing to do morally but cost Britain alone over 750000 dead.
ealingfox Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees. 4
MPH Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 Just now, ealingfox said: Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees. most of their nuclear weapons are on their nuclear submarines.
Foxdiamond Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 1 minute ago, ealingfox said: Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees. Don't expect a call 1 3
chapero82 Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 2 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees. Because there Nukes are moved around all over the world, in submarines etc
Foxdiamond Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 Just now, MPH said: most of their nuclear weapons are on their nuclear submarines. And we don't know where they are at any one time. 1
Innovindil Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 3 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees. Right up there with send James bond in to steal the launch codes. 3
SpacedX Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 15 minutes ago, MPH said: i still don’t think he’d do that. His whole focus is to further the Russian cause- it would be destroyed in retaliation A wild animal is at its most dangerous when backed into a corner. And when his crusade to re-establish the Soviet Union falters and fails? What then? "Why do we need a world without Russia in it?" I'm inclined to agree with Chomsky that where we stand now, given the Imperialistic ambitions of Russia, the Republican Party is potentially the most dangerous organisation in human history. The global propaganda machine is in full swing together with all of its metastasized satellites down to every drip feed of right wing You Tubers and social media disinformation disseminators. We've seen this populism blindly and naively employed within threads on this very forum. We know that anger and division sells because it engages and although many platforms that have nurtured it have been under pressure to purge it, arguably less than concerted efforts to do so and the demise of Parlour has driven this online extremism underground and into progressively darker and more dangerous realms of the internet also into the preserve of emergent sites such as Rumble, BitChute - happy to incubate and profiteer from conspiracy theory. Traffic has recently surged on Gab - the far-right alternative to Twitter. Offline, what seemed like a deluded bunch of lunatics in Qanon, who Trump referred to as "people that love their country", resulted in the storming of the capitol and groups like The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters are populated by seditious extremists. It only takes one Timothy McViegh. Globally Vladimir Putin preys upon and exploits this division. His immediate objective is to engineer Trump and his ilk back into the White House. Tune into 'Faux' News and its sickening Carlson set agenda... it's not Putin that started this war, it's Western aggression. It isn't demand outstripping supply causing the spikes in inflation and gasoline prices - it's Biden and the 'elites'. Put us back in power - we'll sort it. What is so chilling is that the Republican party has progressively paraded increasingly crazier candidates: Jordan, Taylor, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar et al. - these are elected Congress people that were unimaginable seven years ago. It will be Putin's immediate priority to orchestrate these people back into power and the single issue voting American margins may well be sufficiently myopic to oblige. 1
SemperEadem Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 The Salmon pub is collecting donations if anyone wanted to help this way.
Pliskin Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 1 hour ago, Lako42 said: Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians. All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about. If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. Unfortunately it’s the case now. It’s prevented mass world wide conflict for years as a result. But unfortunately we can’t put aside the threat of nuclear fallout because it’s the very reason we can’t just go storming in. There’s no question that if it wasn’t an issue we would be going in to assist. It was going to happen at some point, and Russia were probably going to be the most likely nation to do it.
Leicesterpool Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 47 minutes ago, chapero82 said: Because there Nukes are moved around all over the world, in submarines etc Could do an independence Day style plan.... "give them a computer virus"
Tommy Fresh Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 (edited) Would have posted Jolyon's first reply to the Terry picture but I didn't want a ban 😂 Edited 3 March 2022 by Tommy Fresh
Fazzer 7 Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 There must be a critical flaw in the human psyche. We never learn, it all seems so unnecessary.
st albans fox Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 Russia are appealing their fifa ban to CAS I expect they could win - that could get ugly for fifa …..
David Hankey Posted 3 March 2022 Posted 3 March 2022 23 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Russia are appealing their fifa ban to CAS I expect they could win - that could get ugly for fifa ….. Who will want to play them?
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