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8 minutes ago, Joe90lcfc said:

I honestly don’t think anyone will have the bollocks for nuclear warfare in our life time, but I know it’s still to much of a risk to take, I mean even if Putin demanded to be the first to start it I think there will be to many In his own team that wouldn’t agree 

Lets hope you're right mate. Putin could be bluffing when he says he will retaliate with nuclear weaponry but I wouldn't put it past him!

Posted
2 minutes ago, Shane said:

Lets hope you're right mate. Putin could be bluffing when he says he will retaliate with nuclear weaponry but I wouldn't put it past him!

It essentially is a bluff. 
 

He’s made the move knowing it will be condemned by the rest of the world. So he’s set his precedent and essentially warned anyone off from intervening in a military capacity. 
 

He knows full well that some sort of retaliation will come, hence the sanctions, which he has probably stashed away tonnes of money to lessen the blow.

 

The fact is he wouldn’t have done it if he didn’t think he could defend himself and Russia.

 

 

Theres only one nation who could use military force to stop him in his tracks and that’s the US, the rest of us simply can’t go charging in like hero’s because the ramifications would be unprecedented. What we need to avoid is getting into a situation where there’s a nuclear stand off of various nations threatening to hit the button so to speak….. 

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Joe90lcfc said:

Which he will loose, I just find it staggering we’re the line is set they advance into the next country west and it does justify a ww3, but we will just leave Ukraine to get blitzed 

We would all lose. If you think this is awful and of course it is then ww3 would be the end. If you think back to the Iron Curtain days then all those behind it were not free as we understand it. We did not go to war with Russia/Soviets in 1956 or 1968. There has always been a line. Upto 1989 that line was the North German Plain. 

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Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians.  

 

 

All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about.

 

 

If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. 

Posted
26 minutes ago, MPH said:


 

i still don’t think he’d do that. His whole focus is to further the Russian cause- it would be destroyed in retaliation 

We don't want to risk that.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians.  

 

 

All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about.

 

 

If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. 

Yes put perfectly 👍

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Putin dropped the N word as a matter of a fear tactic. It’s worked. We already had our hands tied, now they are handcuffed with that threat. We are standing by whilst he actually wipes out an entire population. That’s the aim. They apparently (yes I know, apparently) have planned for public executions… again I say apparently. But no one would be surprised. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians.  

 

 

All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about.

 

 

If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. 

This is why most of us do not become  politicians or military leaders. They have to make hard cold judgments that go against the  natural human response. Nuclear threat changed everything. In 1914 Britain went to war to defend Belgium. Right thing to do morally but cost Britain alone over 750000 dead.

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Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. 

 

Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees.

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Posted
Just now, ealingfox said:

Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. 

 

Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees.


 

most of their nuclear weapons are on their nuclear submarines. 

Posted
1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. 

 

Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees.

Don't expect a call

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Posted
2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. 

 

Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees.

Because there Nukes are moved around all

over the world, in submarines etc

Posted
3 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Why don't we just bomb where their nuclear weapons are? Then Russia's own nukes will explode on them and they won't have any left to retaliate with. Jobs a good'un. 

 

Foreign Office if you're reading I am available for consultancy with very reasonable fees.

Right up there with send James bond in to steal the launch codes. lol

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Posted
15 minutes ago, MPH said:


 

i still don’t think he’d do that. His whole focus is to further the Russian cause- it would be destroyed in retaliation 

A wild animal is at its most dangerous when backed into a corner. And when his crusade to re-establish the Soviet Union falters and fails? What then? "Why do we need a world without Russia in it?"

 

I'm inclined to agree with Chomsky that where we stand now, given the Imperialistic ambitions of Russia, the Republican Party is potentially the most dangerous organisation in human history. The global propaganda machine is in full swing together with all of its metastasized satellites down to every drip feed of right wing You Tubers and social media disinformation disseminators. We've seen this populism blindly and naively employed within threads on this very forum. We know that anger and division sells because it engages and although many platforms that have nurtured it have been under pressure to purge it, arguably less than concerted efforts to do so and the demise of Parlour has driven this online extremism underground and into progressively darker and more dangerous realms of the internet also into the preserve of emergent sites such as Rumble, BitChute  - happy to incubate and profiteer from conspiracy theory. Traffic has recently surged on Gab - the far-right alternative to Twitter. Offline, what seemed like a deluded bunch of lunatics in Qanon, who Trump referred to as "people that love their country", resulted in the storming of the capitol and groups like The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters are populated by seditious extremists. It only takes one Timothy McViegh. 

 

Globally Vladimir Putin preys upon and exploits this division. His immediate objective is to engineer Trump and his ilk back into the White House. Tune into 'Faux' News and its sickening Carlson set agenda... it's not Putin that started this war, it's Western aggression. It isn't demand outstripping supply causing the spikes in inflation and gasoline prices - it's Biden and the 'elites'. Put us back in power - we'll sort it. What is so chilling is that the Republican party has progressively paraded increasingly crazier candidates: Jordan, Taylor, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar et al. - these are elected Congress people that were unimaginable seven years ago. It will be Putin's immediate priority to orchestrate these people back into power and the single issue voting American margins may well be sufficiently myopic to oblige.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

Forgetting the nuclear issue, it really is disheartening that we have developed a system over time where everybody is utterly powerless to stop a deranged tyrant from indiscriminately committing war crimes against innocent civilians.  

 

 

All we can do is sit there and watch TV whilst our incredibly powerful and wealthy nations throw some pretty lacklustre sanctions about.

 

 

If you aren't part of the club then you aren't worthy of protection. 

Unfortunately it’s the case now. It’s prevented mass world wide conflict for years as a result.

 

But unfortunately we can’t put aside the threat of nuclear fallout because it’s the very reason we can’t just go storming in. 
 

There’s no question that if it wasn’t an issue we would be going in to assist. 
 

It was going to happen at some point, and Russia were probably going to be the most likely nation to do it. 

Posted
47 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Because there Nukes are moved around all

over the world, in submarines etc

Could do an independence Day style plan.... "give them a computer virus" 

Posted
23 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Russia are appealing their fifa ban to CAS 

 

I expect they could win - that could get ugly for fifa …..

Who will want to play them?

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