Last summer’s recruitment

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

Re: Soumare. Just looking at our pressing stats and I was surprised how high Soumare was actually. He’s 2nd behind Ndidi for most presses per 90 as our midfielders go, even slightly ahead of KDH.

 

Barnes still stands out like a sore thumb though. He’s got Yakubu levels of pressing going on this season. Dunno what’s happened there, as I never remember him having such poor work rate before this season.

He can have xSprints and all this bollocks he's still be appalling

[Sampson]

14 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Daka was a good signing. Give him some time. Or watch him go to Arsenal, Liverpool or ManCity and scoring 20+ goals per season. 

No one’s scoring 20 goals per season for this Arsenal side.
 

Lacazette was a ludicrously prolific goal scorer in his final 3 or 4 seasons in France and former Golden Boot winner and Player of the Season winner in France. Which is a much stronger league than the Austrian league and he did it over several seasons rather than one and came with a much bigger reputation and better CV than Daka. And Arsenal have managed to turn him to a mediocre PL striker who looks lost in front of goal just fine.

Edited 21 April 2022 by Sampson

[davieG]

11 hours ago, foxfan92 said:

Does anyone else ever feel like they are stuck in an endless time-loop with the same threads popping up saying exactly the same thing again and again?

Hmm this post has a familiar ring to it.

[Fear Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, Sampson said:

No one’s scoring 20 goals per season for this Arsenal side.
 

Lacazette was a ludicrously prolific goal scorer in his final 3 or 4 seasons in France and former Golden Boot winner and Player of the Season winner in France. Which is a much stronger league than the Austrian league and he did it over several seasons rather than one and came with a much bigger reputation and better CV than Daka. And Arsenal have managed to turn him to a mediocre PL striker who looks lost in front of goal just fine.

I agree but it's all about providing the proper support from the midfield and wings for your striker. If Arsenal finish 4th they might do some proper business transfer wise and provide that (I doubt it though because their main problem remains and it's the way that club is operating). My point was that I rate Daka as a prolific finisher in front of goal. I might be completely wrong though. Time will tell. 

[sacreblueits442]

10 hours ago, jim5000 said:

I feel I’m in an endless time loop watching us throw away leads and concede 90th+ minute equalisers and winners on a regular basis

...Rodgers cannot coach a mentality, his only way around this, is new personnel!!!

  Until he has the players who have the right mental fortitude to come in and calm our team down, we are going to see the repeat of these panic finishes continue. Players with an edge to them is what we need, let's see who we bring in this summer.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

14 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Rodgers cannot coach a mentality, his only way around this, is new personnel!!!

  Until he has the players who have the right mental fortitude to come in and calm our team down, we are going to see the repeat of these panic finishes continue. Players with an edge to them is what we need, let's see who we bring in this summer.

At the moment we don't have a head of recruitment and we don't seem to have the great recruitment department we once had. Some here said previously that under Pearson he used look at the mentality and attitude of the players he wanted to sign and talk to them before signing them. With Rogers ...... It's seems it's all over the place.

Edited 21 April 2022 by CrispinLA in Texas

[foxfan92]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Hmm this post has a familiar ring to it.

Sorry. I think I must have got up on the wrong side of the bed, although we complain that Rodgers never changes and look at us.

 

I just feel like there must be something new to talk about ... surely?

[ousefox]

I think Daka and Soumare will come good so not worried about that.

 

One of the things Pearson always said is that he would only sign players that improve the first team. That's something we rarely do these days. I understand signing young players with potential. That's a good strategy - but I also want players who come straight into the first team. This has barely happened since Rodgers arrived and he still plays a starting 11 that is basically what he has when he arrived. That's not good given how long he's been here now.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

Not sure if that's true. I think, for most, the signings of the Soumare and Daka were accepted at the time as we tend to fall into the trap that players from the euro leagues are better than we already produce (even after having recent experience of that not being the case). Many also expressed concern that money was being spent on another midfielder which was likely to stifle the progress of KDH. Signing the two Southampton defenders was called out by fans as madness at the time, no hindsight needed. 

People seem pretty happy in this thread a few calling it an 8 out 10 window.

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126706-rate-our-window

 

Once again read the start of these threads, plenty happy with the Vestergaard and Bertrand. 

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126561-vestergaard-signs/#comments

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126291-bertrand-signs/#comment-6055292

 

[murphy]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

People seem pretty happy in this thread a few calling it an 8 out 10 window.

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126706-rate-our-window

 

Once again read the start of these threads, plenty happy with the Vestergaard and Bertrand. 

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126561-vestergaard-signs/#comments

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126291-bertrand-signs/#comment-6055292

 

OK, so there are positive comments on the 'Vestergaard signs' thread.  Pretty obvious really since he had already signed and the protesters won't come along and say he's terrible, it's too late, they will be sitting silently hoping they're wrong.  The thread in anticipation of us going for Vestergaard will be the one where you will find those posters.  Do you have a link for that one?

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

OK, so there are positive comments on the 'Vestergaard signs' thread.  Pretty obvious really since he had already signed and the protesters won't come along and say he's terrible, it's too late, they will be sitting silently hoping they're wrong.  The thread in anticipation of us going for Vestergaard will be the one where you will find those posters.  Do you have a link for that one?

There you go, think again more postive then negatives 

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126494-jannik-vestergaard/#comment-6086229

 

No problem with people saying players haven't work out

 

Just don't like all the hindsight bias crap people come out with.

 

[Stinkenzo]

Without reading the thread, who here when the summer window closed reckoned we had a poor window? In terms of who we'd signed anyway, not so much areas we could have improved.

 

Daka and Soumare were the stand out ones and had us excited, Lookman was decent enough and has proven to be, Bertrand was seen to have been a clever signing as back-up. Vestergaard there were question marks over.

[davieG]

2 hours ago, foxfan92 said:

Sorry. I think I must have got up on the wrong side of the bed, although we complain that Rodgers never changes and look at us.

 

I just feel like there must be something new to talk about ... surely?

I wasn’t being serious 👍

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

People seem pretty happy in this thread a few calling it an 8 out 10 window.

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126706-rate-our-window

 

Once again read the start of these threads, plenty happy with the Vestergaard and Bertrand. 

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126561-vestergaard-signs/#comments

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/126291-bertrand-signs/#comment-6055292

 

....probably proves that FT is open to give backing to players until they show they are underperforming!!!

[Attywolf]

2 of those signings were said to be for the future and this season was for them to get use to the league.So it's to early to judge them really

[when_you're_smiling]

3 hours ago, ousefox said:

I think Daka and Soumare will come good so not worried about that.

 

One of the things Pearson always said is that he would only sign players that improve the first team. That's something we rarely do these days. I understand signing young players with potential. That's a good strategy - but I also want players who come straight into the first team. This has barely happened since Rodgers arrived and he still plays a starting 11 that is basically what he has when he arrived. That's not good given how long he's been here now.

Much easier to say and do when you’re in the Championship and have better resources than those around you; compared with trying to get into the top four of the Prem against sides with much, much deeper pockets. 

You’re right about the same(ish) 11. The counter argument for that would be he’s made the players that were here perform to a higher level (bar a fair amount of this season).

 

[Jock's Hill]

I wonder if there will be any opportunity to move on Vestergard and Bertrand over the summer. The latter has been injured for a while now and neither are likely to be more than squad players next season. Trouble is they will both be under contract and possibly happy with that.

We had only just cleared the "non players" when first Slimani and then Benkovic left. 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....probably proves that FT is open to give backing to players until they show they are underperforming!!!

No problem with that.

 

It's more all the people being captain hindsight that does my head in.

[turlo]

14 minutes ago, Jock's Hill said:

I wonder if there will be any opportunity to move on Vestergard and Bertrand over the summer. The latter has been injured for a while now and neither are likely to be more than squad players next season. Trouble is they will both be under contract and possibly happy with that.

We had only just cleared the "non players" when first Slimani and then Benkovic left. 

No chance of moving Bertrand on unless he really wants to leave rather than sitting out the last year on his contract making easy money chilling out in a luxury training complex. Shipping Vestergaard off to somewhere like France or Germany is more likely but we'd have to take a hit on his transfer fee and contribute towards his wages. 

[Guest Col city fan]

I think Daka will step up. He’s got all the attributes of a good striker but coming in and out of a team is never any good for a striker. They need a consistent run in a team to get their ‘shooting boots on’.

Soumare… looks too big and slow tbh. Mendy has been much better than Soumare this season. He’s far more mobile and quicker with his passes.

Vestergaard… 15 mill!! Southampton have had our pants down. Whoever thought he’d be the answer to our defensive frailties this season needs sacking!

[An Sionnach]

Ryan Bertrand's days as a professional footballer may be coming to an end but as an astute businessman , he is only just getting started. Easiest money he has ever earned.

[Jock's Hill]

I suppose it is down to ambition and whether they might push to move on for regular football. Sometimes surprise transfers take place. Hernandez the right back we signed under Ranieri moved on quickly.

[ScrumpyJack]

I’m not disappointed with Daka at all, think he has looked good but has definitely struggled in the second half of the season.

 

Soumare on the other hand has been so limp, can’t think of a single positive about him. I’d go as far as to say he’s been a worse signing that Bertrand and Vestergaard.

 

Funny that the highlight of Bertrand’s Leicester career is the use of the word “propagates” in his first interview.

[mozartfox]

18 hours ago, foxfan92 said:

Does anyone else ever feel like they are stuck in an endless time-loop with the same threads popping up saying exactly the same thing again and again?

Yes - very good point. The majority of recruitment threads are akin to having a wasp active inside your Y-Fronts.  

[Out Foxed]

not signing Jarrod Bowen was an embarrassment