Leicester to appoint Martyn Glover as head of senior recruitment.

[Gamble92]

You know how sometimes fans get it completely wrong and it's like yeah there's a reason fans don't run clubs

 

I think everything I've seen more or less every fan say about every prune who runs this club for the last few years has been spot on

[RedSoxUK]

Guys getting sacked instead of Rudkin.

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Ok, so he's just a sh*t as Rudkin then.  

He might be but not neccessarily because of who we've signed.

[Ric Flair]

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

You’re still not getting the gig ric 

[OntarioFox]

Reading the first page of this thread, when our club should have been in a relatively healthy position to continue challenging for Europe, is one of the most depressing things I've seen on this site, and it has some serious competition.

Even back then plenty were calling out his pretty atrocious record at both Everton and Southampton. He's proven to be just as bad here, if not worse considering what he started with and where we are now.

 

Him and Rudkin are two cheeks of the same arse as far as the day-to-day is concerned. Whoever was responsible for hiring him needs banishing to North Sentinel Island.

[teblin]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

This might have been coopers fault, but the recruitment strategy should have been more like the championship season. 

[Parker Pen]

55 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

Last summers recruiting alone should be enough to move him in! Good Heads of recruitment are usually head hunted aren’t they and it speaks volumes that he hasn’t been.

[lcfc_forever]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

In the spirit of healthy debate. I wanted to challenge some of this. 

 

It's difficult to judge Glover when we're such a manager-led organisation and PSR was a big problem in the summer - we missed out on a series of targets because they were reluctant to make a move when a points deduction hung over us. It meant we ended up with players way towards the end of our list. 

 

Agree the PL transfers were a failure but how many of them are players you think Glover genuinely scouted and chose? We know Ayew, Skipp and Edouard were signings Cooper pushed for, the worst of the bunch, while Golding was a PSR fix. So that leave Facu, Bilal, Okoli, BDCR and Coulibaly. We had a very limited budget, and Woyo may still be decent next season, while Facu and Bilal have shown at least glimpses. Okoli, while a good prospect, wasn't what we needed so that's a clear miss while BDCR hasn't worked out. 

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that when we had a manager with a clear idea that we had a strong transfer window under Enzo - Fatawu, Akgun (as you point out, look what he's done this season), Mads, Cannon and Mavididi were superb signings and we know from Enzo's comments that Glover was key in a few of those signings.  

 

The whole structure needs changing, but I think pinning the cluster**** of the transfer window on him isn't fair. 

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, lcfc_forever said:

In the spirit of healthy debate. I wanted to challenge some of this. 

 

It's difficult to judge Glover when we're such a manager-led organisation and PSR was a big problem in the summer - we missed out on a series of targets because they were reluctant to make a move when a points deduction hung over us. It meant we ended up with players way towards the end of our list. 

 

Agree the PL transfers were a failure but how many of them are players you think Glover genuinely scouted and chose? We know Ayew, Skipp and Edouard were signings Cooper pushed for, the worst of the bunch, while Golding was a PSR fix. So that leave Facu, Bilal, Okoli, BDCR and Coulibaly. We had a very limited budget, and Woyo may still be decent next season, while Facu and Bilal have shown at least glimpses. Okoli, while a good prospect, wasn't what we needed so that's a clear miss while BDCR hasn't worked out. 

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that when we had a manager with a clear idea that we had a strong transfer window under Enzo - Fatawu, Akgun (as you point out, look what he's done this season), Mads, Cannon and Mavididi were superb signings and we know from Enzo's comments that Glover was key in a few of those signings.  

 

The whole structure needs changing, but I think pinning the cluster**** of the transfer window on him isn't fair. 

How was Akgun a superb signing?! He might be a good player (in Turkey) but he wasn't a good signing for us. And Cannon offered us nothing, other than our money back. Mavididi and Winks did well at FLC level, but not beyond that. In that respect, to call them great signings (and I know you haven't mentioned Winks, but others have) is rather like saying Julian Watts was a great signing, or even Mark Blake, Brian Carey, Gavin Ward - guys brought in to be the backbone of a side that went up and stayed up, but whose limit was the second tier. Not poor signings, of course, but by no means great.

 

I don't think we know that it was Cooper who pushed for, say, Edouard either. He certainly never played him, and didn't seem too keen on Skipp either.

 

But I agree with you that the manager has (or should have) a huge part to play in effective recruitment and that it'd be unfair to pin everything on Glover. How good was Steve Walsh when he wasn't working alongside Pearson (or vice versa, some would argue)?

 

Then again, I'm not sure how much you can pin everything on any single person (even Rudkin!). I do suspect, however, that if the person who is ultimately responsible for everything was serving his purpose, then Rudkin and Glover might be among those you'd see moved on. And maybe that's why a lot of people want to see these things happen - because, even if we don't know who to hold accountable between the managers, the scouts, the directors, it would at least indicate that the need for serious change had been taken on board.

[lcfc_forever]

Just now, inckley fox said:

How was Akgun a superb signing?! He might be a good player (in Turkey) but he wasn't a good signing for us. And Cannon offered us nothing, other than our money back. Mavididi and Winks did well at FLC level, but not beyond that. In that respect, to call them great signings (and I know you haven't mentioned Winks, but others have) is rather like saying Julian Watts was a great signing, or even Mark Blake, Brian Carey, Gavin Ward - guys brought in to be the backbone of a side that went up and stayed up, but whose limit was the second tier. Not poor signings, of course, but by no means great.

 

I don't think we know that it was Cooper who pushed for, say, Edouard either. He certainly never played him, and didn't seem too keen on Skipp either.

 

But I agree with you that the manager has (or should have) a huge part to play in effective recruitment and that it'd be unfair to pin everything on Glover. How good was Steve Walsh when he wasn't working alongside Pearson (or vice versa, some would argue)?

 

Then again, I'm not sure how much you can pin everything on any single person (even Rudkin!). I do suspect, however, that if the person who is ultimately responsible for everything was serving his purpose, then Rudkin and Glover might be among those you'd see moved on. And maybe that's why a lot of people want to see these things happen - because, even if we don't know who to hold accountable between the managers, the scouts, the directors, it would at least indicate that the need for serious change had been taken on board.

Fair on Akgun, I should have made clearer which ones were superb but Akgun clearly had potential, while Cannon was an effective signing in that he did a job for us and we got our money back from a PSR view. 

 

Tanner said it was Cooper who pushed for Edouard, and they made a point of Cooper having coached Skipp before - he did play him regularly after signing him but lost patience with him. 

[inckley fox]

5 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Fair on Akgun, I should have made clearer which ones were superb but Akgun clearly had potential, while Cannon was an effective signing in that he did a job for us and we got our money back from a PSR view. 

 

Tanner said it was Cooper who pushed for Edouard, and they made a point of Cooper having coached Skipp before - he did play him regularly after signing him but lost patience with him. 

Yep, you're right there - though it still felt far from concrete when he proceeded not to play him. And I read the comments about pushing for Edouard as being more a case of pushing for a striker, rather than him individually. I could be wrong, of course.

[South Shire Fox]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

This man needs to be given his marching orders along with Rudkin and Ruud too.

 

I see precious little evidence here or at previous clubs that would lead me to want him to stay.

 

Our PL transfers have been an absolute disaster. Our Championship ones were more hits than misses but still not without some concern.

 

Let's start afresh please. 

Pretty sure most of the Prem ones were to appease Coopers ‘Premier league experience’ shite. Imagine the foreign ones like El Khannous and Fatawu were his. Theres no way Maresca would of agreed to Bobby Reid, Jordon Ayew and Oli Skipp

Edited 20 May 2025 by South Shire Fox

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, lcfc_forever said:

Fair on Akgun, I should have made clearer which ones were superb but Akgun clearly had potential, while Cannon was an effective signing in that he did a job for us and we got our money back from a PSR view. 

 

Tanner said it was Cooper who pushed for Edouard, and they made a point of Cooper having coached Skipp before - he did play him regularly after signing him but lost patience with him. 

Akgun was an Enzo informed signing via the mutual acquaintance of Vincenzo Montella. 
 

We have such a mixed pattern in how we sign players it’s difficult to pin certain players on Glover 

[Ric Flair]

Whether Glover is influential in the signings or if its pure manager led, both don't support him staying here. We either need a head of recruitment that's part of the management team or major change in how we work with recruitment and the manager.

 

Off you go Martyn, you've been the pits.

[smudgerfox]

Glover spotted Fatawu - Enzo has mentioned MG showing him a video and saying "we'll take him.."

 

Jake on BSLB said a few weeks ago that there's an extensive scouting team at Seagrave who make recommendations and are then ignored by the manager (s). He seemed to think we were wedded to a small number of agents (unnamed) whose "advice" we routinely follow. It would be good to find out who they are...

 

 

[Stadt]

The fact we still chased him despite having to wait for him to finish his gardening leave was very KP. We'd just halted all spending through FFP fears (thank goodness that's over) so our next windows were vital. What did we do? Appoint a HoR that couldn't start officially for half a year.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Pretty sure most of the Prem ones were to appease Coopers ‘Premier league experience’ shite. Imagine the foreign ones like El Khannous and Fatawu were his. Theres no way Maresca would of agreed to Bobby Reid, Jordon Ayew and Oli Skipp

I don't think Maresca would have gone for them put we wasted nearly £10m on Coady long before Cooper joined. 

[Dan]

6 minutes ago, Stadt said:

The fact we still chased him despite having to wait for him to finish his gardening leave was very KP. We'd just halted all spending through FFP fears (thank goodness that's over) so our next windows were vital. What did we do? Appoint a HoR that couldn't start officially for half a year.

Every single thing we've been doing for years is just winging it. We get everything we deserve. Abysmally run club at every level.

[South Shire Fox]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I don't think Maresca would have gone for them put we wasted nearly £10m on Coady long before Cooper joined. 

He was a smart buy for the Championship tbf. Although 7 million was a little steep

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I don't think Maresca would have gone for them put we wasted nearly £10m on Coady long before Cooper joined. 

 

I don't think Coady was a brilliant bit of recruitment and I think he's a good example of our wider scouting team being poor at identifying "established" players (I think we're good at spotting a young player who can be developed and up-sold) but I do see the logic of signing him. 

 

We were looking to sign some leaders and fairly strong personalities. I think that's something we still need. It's just we misfired somewhat, he certainly wasn't a Huth, Morgan or even a Wasyl. 

[Stadt]

Leadership is more or less a myth. "No leaders" is one of those things that teams only lose because of but never win. Liverpool didn't win the league because they out-shouted out-pointed everybody else.

 

That we spent £7m on that dosser Coady is completely symptomatic of the dumb, old hat club we are.

[Finnegan]

6 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Leadership is more or less a myth. "No leaders" is one of those things that teams only lose because of but never win. Liverpool didn't win the league because they out-shouted out-pointed everybody else.

 

That we spent £7m on that dosser Coady is completely symptomatic of the dumb, old hat club we are.

 

It's probably just semantics but I suppose it depends what you mean by "leadership." 

 

What we definitely did lack, still lack and do need is players of the right personality. 

 

I liked a quote in an interview with Dr Ian Graham the other day talking about Liverpool's transfer philosophy under Klopp, he said Jurgen liked "fighters, not winners." Obviously slightly wanky and subjective but you know what he means, the actively looked for players who were hard working, team focused, would put their body on the line and it's something you recognise in Liverpool and their squad. 

 

Pearson clearly used to value this highly, we used to very specifically target certain personalities. We don't anymore and that's problematic. 

 

I think Coady was perceived to be of that type but I'm not entirely convinced, frankly. He seems more like the happy go lucky class clown to me, I don't think the squad needed a cheerleader, it needed some absolute warrior to follow. 

 

[The boy Linacre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S280Pqq3T_w

 

Theme tune for the Board.  We understand the team are crap, the Board is literally Co Co the Clown/Charlie Caroli & their mates.

[Guest]

Even aside from his character, Coady was also presumably recruited to be the one at the centre of the back three we settled into when we had the ball under Enzo. I don't think many people would have expected that he would then get what was seemingly the first injury of his career in pre-season, or that Vestergaard would seize the opportunity to come from nowhere and establish himself as a key player.

 

I can't stand him but there was definitely at least some sense behind signing him, if not in the amount of money he's supposedly on.