Danny Ward

[Sly]

1 minute ago, Father Ted said:

The most clueless post I’ve read on here this week. 
 

“he’s a good goalkeeper except he can’t kick so that makes him as bad as Ward”. Far too many people put too much weight on goalkeepers distribution. You know what then, why don’t we put Harry Winks in goal, he can’t save anything but he’s got really good distribution!!!

So if that post is clueless, why has no Manager played Iversen, and no one attempted to pay the £5m we wanted for him? 
 

He literally can’t kick a football. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I haven’t managed to bring myself to watch the highlights. I’ve read claims that the replay of the second goal shows that Ward called for Justin to leave it. Can anybody confirm? 

There is a clear MINE shout in the highlights. Justin then turns around and looks palms out straight at Ward. 

[Father Ted]

Just now, Sly said:

So if that post is clueless, why has no Manager played Iversen, and no one attempted to pay the £5m we wanted for him? 
 

He literally can’t kick a football. 

Iversen has proven himself at Championship level. So what if he can’t kick a football, at least he stops it going in the back of the net. 

[VLC86]

Anyone who has forgotten that Iverson significantly improved us when we got relegated (despite also being quite shit) needs sectioning. No hope for you if you truly believe Ward was the best option yesterday.

[HankMarvin]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

There is a clear MINE shout in the highlights. Justin then turns around and looks palms out straight at Ward. 

PTSD Landmine 

[Foxy-Lady]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

So if that post is clueless, why has no Manager played Iversen, and no one attempted to pay the £5m we wanted for him? 
 

He literally can’t kick a football. 

He can kick a football....he can kick it a very long way.  But sadly, thats all that Beaglehole and the GK coaches ever coached him to do in the 3 years they were coaching him as thats ALL that Hoofball- Beaglehole ever wanted him to do...!

[Sly]

2 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Iversen has proven himself at Championship level. So what if he can’t kick a football, at least he stops it going in the back of the net. 

So was Ward. 
 

Go and read Stoke fans opinions of Iversen. They were asking for him to be swapped out at one point. 
 

Neither are good enough. 

[Iran]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

Iversen definitely is not better at his feet. He is up there with everyone that has rarely kicked a football. Some of the stuff we witnessed him do was mind boggling. Even Stoke were shocked by how bad he was in the Championship. 
 

It’s alright keeping the ball out of the net, however If you keep giving the ball back to the opposition, they’ll get more chances. 

I fully agree with you @Sly, I said the same exact thing and got made fun of for it.

 

I understand it's not a popular opinion, but just because an opinion is not popular doesn't always translate into it being incorrect.

 

For arguments sake, even Brendan Rodgers admitted the main reason he preferred Ward over Iversen was because he wasn't as good with his feet as Ward was - and that makes sense given we build out a lot from the back! 

[The Fosse Way]

New nickname

 

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[Iran]

11 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Iversen has proven himself at Championship level. So what if he can’t kick a football, at least he stops it going in the back of the net. 

That statement is a fallacy, Ward was pivotal in Huddersfield Town getting promoted to the Premier League during the 2016/2017 season in the Championship. 

[VLC86]

5 minutes ago, Iran said:

I fully agree with you @Sly, I said the same exact thing and got made fun of for it.

 

I understand it's not a popular opinion, but just because an opinion is not popular doesn't always translate into it being incorrect.

 

For arguments sake, even Brendan Rodgers admitted the main reason he preferred Ward over Iversen was because he wasn't as good with his feet as Ward was - and that makes sense given we build out a lot from the back! 

It really does make perfect sense doesn’t it, get relegated but do it playing the right way. Can’t argue with it you really can’t.

[Jonezy]

That has to be the last time Danny Ward starts a game for us. I never seen anything like it at this level. All 3 goals yesterday a half decent keeper would save.

 

I never wanna see him play for us again. He is  the poster boy for everything wrong at the club, where mediocrity is rewarded and accepted. Meh.

[FLAN]

4 minutes ago, Iran said:

That statement is a fallacy, Ward was pivotal in Huddersfield Town getting promoted to the Premier League during the 2016/2017 season in the Championship. 

And that’s likely the problem. He’s been happily sitting on his arse as a No2 since then and has regressed in every aspect of his game 

[Stadt]

Poor from RVN not sub him at HT. Never mind not helping the the team at all sending him back out to get booed by your own fans is just bad management.

 

Wolves bizarrely just sitting on their lead stopped it being 6 or 7. 

[fox_favourite]

9 minutes ago, Iran said:

I fully agree with you @Sly, I said the same exact thing and got made fun of for it.

 

I understand it's not a popular opinion, but just because an opinion is not popular doesn't always translate into it being incorrect.

 

For arguments sake, even Brendan Rodgers admitted the main reason he preferred Ward over Iversen was because he wasn't as good with his feet as Ward was - and that makes sense given we build out a lot from the back! 

But at the moment we need a better shot stopper than someone good with their feet, when Mads is out. Yesterday was a prime example. Ward did do a great pass to Soumare in the middle, but my word he didnt cover himself with glory, did he? His confidence is shot at this club and he needs a move down the leagues to get back up. He's not good enough and a Ward with no confidence is horrendous. He was one of the reasons we were relegated.

 

Granted the defence was poop, but they were with Mads and he still makes saves. Ward doesn't. Mads is way too good for us. 

 

Put him against Liverpool and we'll easily concede over 5. 

 

We're going down, the next few games will kill any confidence in the whole team. It feels like the club is a mess, and if we're not careful we'll be a also ran Championship team harping about our past. 

Edited 23 December 2024 by fox_favourite

[Matt]

26 minutes ago, Iran said:

I fully agree with you @Sly, I said the same exact thing and got made fun of for it.

 

I understand it's not a popular opinion, but just because an opinion is not popular doesn't always translate into it being incorrect.

 

For arguments sake, even Brendan Rodgers admitted the main reason he preferred Ward over Iversen was because he wasn't as good with his feet as Ward was - and that makes sense given we build out a lot from the back! 

And isn't that the crux of the point.

 

Stripping it back to basics, in its most simple form and maybe being abit old fashioned, what does a goalkeeper do? Makes saves, saves goal, last line of defence protecting the goalline - not to say they can't make saves with their feet, use their feet or play passes but the big thing, make saves, use their hands, command their area.

 

At any point you should expect any manager to get the best out of the players available by playing to the players strengths rather than play in one set philosophy but in times where you have injuries and players coming in to deputise this is even more so the case.

 

So, neither are good with their feet, that's established, firstly why are we even considering playing out from the back if that is the case, secondly it comes down to who is the better goalkeeper in regards to making saves, shot stopping, confidence in command their area (Both the player himself and the players around him)  etc.

 

My views on playing out, possession based to one side, I don't think i'm talking out of term here am I? And for what it's worth, I don't think we have been playing out in the last couple of games anyway (I don't quite know what we've been doing tbh, people talk of this plan as opposed to the pissing, moaning and whining Cooper apparently had no plan, I don't quite see any difference...), so further to my point why is it being discussed or a factor whether either are any better or worse with their feet?

 

Edited 23 December 2024 by Matt

[VLC86]

We had faced something like 77 shots in the 3 matches prior to this… absolutely screamed for us to pick the guy that can’t save the ball but can play a 5 yard pass over the guy that can make saves but can’t pass IMO.

[markko]

Play Iversen. Mads will hopefully be back in new year at worst. Do not play Ward again, for his sake as well as the team. He played in cup and was all over the place. Newcastle we conceded 3 after he came on and yesterday Mads would have saved at least 1 if not all 3. He arguably was one of the factors of relegation and it will happen again if he continues to play. We need strong decisive management and this is the first thing to deal with. If he is here until summer pay him off and get him gone.

[FLAN]

I felt for him yesterday. Felt it was counterproductive to boo him in real time and didn’t think he had done much wrong for first two goals. 
on review he was horrific for all 3 albeit he wasn’t alone in that. 
I don’t think booing him during the game was ok though. Just on a human level it’s very cruel no matter what we think of him

[FLAN]

To add. If I were a manager I’d be very suspicious about a player who happily sits around as No2 for years on end. I know there are keepers who do that but during his prime years he hasn’t had the motivation to try and get game time. 

Edited 23 December 2024 by FLAN
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[The Doctor]

33 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

There is a clear MINE shout in the highlights. Justin then turns around and looks palms out straight at Ward. 

if that comes from the wolves player, and I struggle to believe it came from Ward given he's on his goalline and the ball is the edge of the box, then it should be a free kick and yellow card. Another cockup by Anthony Taylor.

[FrankieADZ]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

Iversen definitely is not better at his feet. He is up there with everyone that has rarely kicked a football. Some of the stuff we witnessed him do was mind boggling. Even Stoke were shocked by how bad he was in the Championship. 
 

It’s alright keeping the ball out of the net, however If you keep giving the ball back to the opposition, they’ll get more chances. 

tbf given the state of Stoke as a club, that isnt much really to go on now is it, pretty sure Preston fans raved about him tbf; Championship sides have wanted him but we've ever not wanted to sell or wanted a stupid fee

Iversen is a better keeper than Ward, in terms of shot stopping he certainly is, he showed that in the season we went down and came into the team, only aspect Ward is better is with his feet, and even then I'd say Iversen is probably on Kasper levels 

Edited 23 December 2024 by FrankieADZ

[Sly]

14 minutes ago, Matt said:

And isn't that the crux of the point.

 

Stripping it back to basics, in its most simple form and maybe being abit old fashioned, what does a goalkeeper do? Makes saves, saves goal, last line of defence protecting the goalline - not to say they can't make saves with their feet, use their feet or play passes but the big thing, make saves, use their hands, command their area.

 

At any point you should be expected to get the best out of the players available rather than play in one set philosophy but in times where you have injuries and players coming in to deputise this is even more so the case.

 

So, neither are good with their feet, that's established, firstly why are we even considering playing out from the back if that is the case, secondly it comes down to who is the better goalkeeper in regarding to saves, shot stopping, etc.

 

Also a counter argument that retaining the ball, with a sweeper keeper stops the opposition scoring. 
 

I think we can all acknowledge that Ederson isn’t the best goalkeeper in the world, however in the right system it helps. 
 

At the moment, we’ve got a bits and pieces squad. 
 

Maybe it’s as simple as without Winks / Vestergaard, Iversen is the better goalkeeper as well need to play differently. With them, we’d be better with Ward.

 

Ideally, neither play and Hermansen and Stolarkzyk are back ASAP! 

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, FLAN said:

I felt for him yesterday. Felt it was counterproductive to boo him in real time and didn’t think he had done much wrong for first two goals. 
on review he was horrific for all 3 albeit he wasn’t alone in that. 
I don’t think booing him during the game was ok though. Just on a human level it’s very cruel no matter what we think of him

Is this a joke? A capable goalkeeper keeps all those chances out.

 

The first one is a half shot into the ground. Yes I also blame Vestergaard in this, and did at the time, who must be the softest 6ft bloke I have ever seen but the ball isn't hit at pace.

The second goal is also a defender error but even with that the opposition should not score. Ward's positioning to start with is awful anyway.

The third perhaps is the worse of the lot and hit straight at him from an angle. No way should that ball end up in the net.

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 hours ago, trabuch said:

He's a very very bad goalkeeper. And I worry if our manager can't see that. The fans are 100% justified in booing him. He's a catastrophe.

Exactly the concern - Iversen is literally 4 divisions abo ve Ward as a goalkeeper - Sod the playing out from the back the primary raison d'etre is to keep the ball out of the bloody net