melvinmmelvin Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 1 hour ago, john ridley said: Dont know why people keep thinking we'll pick up something at Fulham,we've just struggled to get 2 draws against 2 teams getting battered every week .I hope I'm wrong but cant see us winning again this season. I agree with your first point but not necessarily your last. It's still a funnee old gaaaame, football...
Eskay Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 1 hour ago, Matt said: I don't really get this 'nothing to play for' argument. I keep seeing it mentioned in hope West Ham are in that position come our game. (The only difference regarding West Ham is hopefully they'd be in a situation of being safe but with one eye on the ECL final, even in that scenario it'd most likely be a weakened team but those players would be looking to impress) It always seems easier to find wins when playing with no pressure. I think it's quite dangerous playing teams with nothing to play for, there's no jeopardy for them. First and foremost our players need to go into games with the right attitude, mentality and apply themselves which I have strong doubts about. We've been in the position before ......last game(s) of the season with it in our hands and playing teams with nothing on......and we have been pumped. Its all horsepoop.....teams rocking up to town knowing they can relegate a club like Leicester is all the motivation they need. 2
Joefox Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 We’ve got 2 games to save ourselves unless we pick up an unexpected result against Liverpool or Newcastle. 34 points might be enough but I just can’t see us winning again this season.
Paninistickers Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 3 hours ago, Number 6 said: Allardyce's first 4 games at West Brom yielded a single point and they conceded 13 goals to their 1 scored. Agreed. Plus most Leeds players being around 5ft 3 will help him much either
Guy Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 20 minutes ago, Joefox said: We’ve got 2 games to save ourselves unless we pick up an unexpected result against Liverpool or Newcastle. 34 points might be enough but I just can’t see us winning again this season. I think we might get something against Fulham and West Ham - the obvious two where a win or a draw might result from either game rather than a loss but as you say I think a shock will have to be in the offing for us to pull it off before the final game v the Hammers - that being against either Newcaste or Liverpool. Alternatively (but even more unlikely....!), is that we could possibly draw all four remaining games and stay up by virtue of our healthy goal difference....depending on how those around us fare too of course. Last night was our missed golden opportunity to pull slightly clear though and put another nail in Everton's coffin in the process - which never materialised after that woeful penalty decision and resulting miss! 1
WigstonWanderer Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 6 hours ago, wardyfox86 said: But you speak as if those around us haven't thrown away games and been as poor as us. The DCL chance, the Bamford chance are examples of other teams not taking their opportunities against the teams around them, now finding themselves needing points in the tougher run-in. Those around us aren't better than us, they're probably not worse but they seem to be getting built up in this thread to be something they're not. We are all fully capable of losing every game in the run-in and we survive on GD. That’s because as soon as we play them they suddenly look brilliant.
AyewJoking Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 A draw at Fulham would have been a brilliant result......if we had won the last 2 games. I have no sympathy for Leicester they have been so poor. 1
Gerard Posted 2 May 2023 Posted 2 May 2023 Just looking at the Wolves vs Everton Game 37 match that a lot of people seem to think Everton will turn up and get a win there against a side playing in flip flops. Wolves next two fixtures are Villa (h) & Man Utd (a) which they could feasibly lose both. Wolves have 37pts and a terrible GD. If relegation came down to GD then they probably lose to everyone apart from maybe Forest. If 18th place has 31pts (currently has 30pts) by the time the Wolves vs Everton match is played then Wolves will be fighting for their lives especially as Arsenal (a) is their last match. Now I don't think for a minute that Wolves are in this or that 37pts won't see you safe but Wolves won't think that if they go into the Everton game not mathematically safe. 2
The Horse's Mouth Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 We’ve ****ed our two must wins, I just can’t see now how we stay up 2
Sly Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 I don’t think West Ham are safe yet. So as it stands: West Ham - 34 points - 5 games left Leicester - 30 points - 4 games left Leeds - 30 points - 4 games left Forest - 30 points - 4 games left Everton- 29 points - 4 games left Southampton - 24 points - 4 games left I can see Forest taking points in the next few games and feel West Ham are fairly safe as well. 1
LCFCJohn Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 11 hours ago, Eskay said: We've been in the position before ......last game(s) of the season with it in our hands and playing teams with nothing on......and we have been pumped. Its all horsepoop.....teams rocking up to town knowing they can relegate a club like Leicester is all the motivation they need. What makes you say this out of interest? Like how everyone supported us when we were beating the odds but then find the subsequent decline funny? I’d have thought teams would also have motivation to relegate the likes of Everton and Leeds for different reasons. I suppose there is a good few big teams down there this season. Not like it’s Norwich, Watford and Middlesbrough for example who the novelty would have worn off for. 1
Chelmofox Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 11 minutes ago, Sly said: I don’t think West Ham are safe yet. So as it stands: West Ham - 34 points - 5 games left Leicester - 30 points - 4 games left Leeds - 30 points - 4 games left Forest - 30 points - 4 games left Everton- 29 points - 4 games left Southampton - 24 points - 4 games left I can see Forest taking points in the next few games and feel West Ham are fairly safe as well. Interestingly, I think it’s likely West Ham dont get another point until our last game. Next 2 for them are the 2 manchesters then after that Brentford away. Then Leeds who will battle like crazy. It’s not out of the question.
Popular Post Phil Bowman Posted 3 May 2023 Popular Post Posted 3 May 2023 The negativity on here is ridiculous. Yes, we're crap. But what on earth makes people think Leeds, Everton or F****t are going to win half their remaining games? Leeds and Everton couldn't even beat us! All other things being equal, it's pretty much 50/50 which two of four go down, and we have the slight edge with goal difference. So logically, we probably (just) won't go down... 5
Popular Post Mike Oxlong Posted 3 May 2023 Popular Post Posted 3 May 2023 Pretty much this whole season has been like death by a thousand cuts 6
LCFCJohn Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 1 hour ago, Phil Bowman said: The negativity on here is ridiculous. Yes, we're crap. But what on earth makes people think Leeds, Everton or F****t are going to win half their remaining games? Leeds and Everton couldn't even beat us! All other things being equal, it's pretty much 50/50 which two of four go down, and we have the slight edge with goal difference. So logically, we probably (just) won't go down... It’s easily explainable (the negativity). Forest aren’t a basket case of an established club in crisis, they are a newly promoted club doing as expected. They have a great home record and have picked up results throughout the season without going on the sort of losing runs we have. They should easily turn over Southampton at home and their remaining run isn’t as difficult as people make out. Everton is kind of like Sunderland of a few years back. Circling the drain and been there and done it in previous seasons. There’s an expectation that they will pick up the results needed to squeak clear of trouble come the end. Obviously Sunderland’s time came and hopefully that’s Everton’s time now but it’s understandable why there’s an expectation they will ‘do it again’. Leeds nobody is really expecting to stay up now so yeah. But one team (well two including Southampton) doesn’t help us! Also don’t think it is going to take anyone winning half their games (6 points and 36 for survival) to stay up. It’s more where are more than a couple of points at best coming for us if we couldn’t beat Leeds and Everton…. And I’m not being negative and doom and gloom. I agree with your 50/50 assessment. Just looking at the other view. 3
Phil Bowman Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 24 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said: It’s more where are more than a couple of points at best coming for us if we couldn’t beat Leeds and Everton…. I know - but equally, where is more than a couple of points coming for Leeds and Everton if they couldn't beat us...?
Tommy Fresh Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: We’ve ****ed our two must wins, I just can’t see now how we stay up Because Leeds and Everton both ****ed must wins against us 3
Popular Post Tommy Fresh Posted 3 May 2023 Popular Post Posted 3 May 2023 2 hours ago, Sly said: I don’t think West Ham are safe yet. So as it stands: West Ham - 34 points - 5 games left Leicester - 30 points - 4 games left Leeds - 30 points - 4 games left Forest - 30 points - 4 games left Everton- 29 points - 4 games left Southampton - 24 points - 4 games left I can see Forest taking points in the next few games and feel West Ham are fairly safe as well. Eh? 6
The Horse's Mouth Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 5 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Because Leeds and Everton both ****ed must wins against us Leeds are getting Sam, Ev are probably down with us
Jaspa Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 Just now, The Horse's Mouth said: Leeds are getting Sam, Ev are probably down with us Hats off to him if he turns Leeds around in less than a month. Been out of the game for a while, last job West Brom where they were relegated...
Number 6 Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 (edited) They'll be pumped up for the Spurs game but that could be dangerous and we don't really know what Spurs will be like under Mason yet. If Sam gets Leeds to 34 points then I think he'll have done very well. Edit: didn't realise quite how bad Leeds have been away from Elland road too - 9 points away all season. Edited 3 May 2023 by Number 6
Gerard Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chelmofox said: Interestingly, I think it’s likely West Ham dont get another point until our last game. Next 2 for them are the 2 manchesters then after that Brentford away. Then Leeds who will battle like crazy. It’s not out of the question. West Ham aren't safe by a long chalk. Let's assume they lose all their games which are: Man City (a) Man Utd (a) Brentford (a) Leeds (h) Leicester (a) This puts the table like this: West Ham P38 Pts34 Leicester P35 Pts33 Leeds P35 Pts33 ---------------------------------------- Forest P34 Pts30 Everton P34 Pts29 Southampton Pts24 In an ideal situation West Ham get 0/1pt in their next three games and go into the Leeds match on Game 37 still needing points to be mathematically safe. It's very much a possibility that they won't be safe before they play Leeds. Edited 3 May 2023 by Gerard 1
LCFCJohn Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 22 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said: I know - but equally, where is more than a couple of points coming for Leeds and Everton if they couldn't beat us...? I’m not disagreeing with you on that. Though I would expect Everton to pick up more than a couple. Less likely with Leeds.
Chelmofox Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 1 hour ago, Phil Bowman said: The negativity on here is ridiculous. Yes, we're crap. But what on earth makes people think Leeds, Everton or F****t are going to win half their remaining games? Leeds and Everton couldn't even beat us! All other things being equal, it's pretty much 50/50 which two of four go down, and we have the slight edge with goal difference. So logically, we probably (just) won't go down... I get the negativity. Its hard to pull many positives from this basket case of a season. But what gets me is the "we've f$$ked it now, there is not way back from here" posting when our goal difference has actually nudged us above all the relegation rivals, and we have a very winnable game on Monday. Its a million miles from perfect, but Dean has us playing so much better and we are creating far more. We also also no losing games we would have folder under the previous administration. The next 4 games are going to be brutal. We are not going get 4 wins just by turning up, nor are our rivals. BUT, at least one of them are going to get some points and may even win games. This happens in football. All we need to do is get as many points as we can, and Monday is a fantastic chance to do that. I still think we get the win on Monday, and a point from either Liverpool or Newcastle. Think Liverpool more likely, as i think Newcastle will be looking to rip us apart. I've just managed to 3 tickets for the Liverpool game - some seats just appeared on the site last night right at the back. Not where i normally like to go, but we will be shouting and screaming as much as we can to try and get something over the line. 1
Tommy Fresh Posted 3 May 2023 Posted 3 May 2023 19 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Leeds are getting Sam And?
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