Jason Denayer

[NasPb]

Denayer is good 

BUT 

If he comes as the lone centre back it's bad business 

 

Don't mind an experienced head like him  with a youngster coming in. Otherwise it's stupid 

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

For a free transfer, a 27 year old with 35 caps for Belgium seems like great business 

[mozartfox]

3 year contract😱.  Come on Wolves sign him now, after all we took Ryan Bennet off you.

 

Can you imagine losing Fofana and bringing him in??  That is a hanging offence Recruitment Team. 
 

He has been released for a reason…..

Edited 30 August 2022 by mozartfox

[CloudFox]

2 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

Denayer isn't actually all that bad.

Have you heard any more about our plans for the end of the window? Seemed like things were afoot, but now it all seems very quiet...and negative.

[Collymore]

Id prefer...

 

Edited 30 August 2022 by Collymore

[The People's Hero]

16 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

Have you heard any more about our plans for the end of the window? Seemed like things were afoot, but now it all seems very quiet...and negative.

I've heard a few things and whilst none of them agree 100%, none of them are very positive. I'm trying to understand a bit better.

 

There are plenty of other people who definitely hear bits and pieces and have insight and I think we'd all probably agree on one thing - something is not quite right and that the sale of Fofana and possibly even Fofana and Tielemans, doesn't solve those things.

 

Feels very much to me, both in terms of my gut feel and what I hear which is a bit more sensitive, that this is the end of a cycle and that there is going to be some pain/upheaval to go through before you really see much positive.

 

I should point out that I don't actually think its all negative on the pitch. I think we've been a little bit unlucky; I'm talking more about off-the pitch, financials, structure, strategy etc; but the 'end of a cycle' comment does also apply to the natural cycle of contracts which we haven't got quite right on the playing side.

 

Denayer isn't an awful player; but I haven't really seen us linked.

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

I've heard a few things and whilst none of them agree 100%, none of them are very positive. I'm trying to understand a bit better.

 

There are plenty of other people who definitely hear bits and pieces and have insight and I think we'd all probably agree on one thing - something is not quite right and that the sale of Fofana and possibly even Fofana and Tielemans, doesn't solve those things.

 

Feels very much to me, both in terms of my gut feel and what I hear which is a bit more sensitive, that this is the end of a cycle and that there is going to be some pain/upheaval to go through before you really see much positive.

 

I should point out that I don't actually think its all negative on the pitch. I think we've been a little bit unlucky; I'm talking more about off-the pitch, financials, structure, strategy etc; but the 'end of a cycle' comment does also apply to the natural cycle of contracts which we haven't got quite right on the playing side.

 

Denayer isn't an awful player; but I haven't really seen us linked.

Thanks TPH, have you heard if this end of cycle/strategy includes Rodgers or do the board see him here long term as part of the future? 

[TommyK]

I wonder whether end of a cycle means the end of Tops involvement. 

[The People's Hero]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Thanks TPH, have you heard if this end of cycle/strategy includes Rodgers or do the board see him here long term as part of the future? 

BR thinks first and foremost of BR.

 

Players think first and foremost of their own careers.

 

The board/owners have their own interests and agendas; which of course dictate the club's direction.

 

Sometimes those things align and there is sufficient commonality. Sometimes there isn't.

 

There is however one thing that all 3 of those groups currently need from each other; and that is success on the pitch. I suspect BR and the board do it together and that the board are keen for BR to use the assets he has and that there may be some tensions there (and its absolutely true that we approached players who we then simply couldn't complete the deals on so maybe there has been some difference in preferred strategy/vision but in some respects I think the board's hands are tied and that BR is not about to resign and walk away from a payday (but if a big job came knocking; he's as good as gone).

 

This next part sounds cryptic but really isn't. I use the word interesting because I think its interesting; not because I'm saying 'interesting' with a nudge and wink ... but the Bournemouth/Parker stuff about difference of priority/strategy/agenda etc with the owner/chairman saying it was unconditional that the club's values and vision is not compromised... well; I found that interesting.

 

[mozartfox]

11 minutes ago, TommyK said:

I wonder whether end of a cycle means the end of Tops involvement. 

Difficult to see Top giving up on his Father’s legacy, but you never know.  Personally, I do not think this mess would have happened if Vichai was still at the helm. That is NOT meant as a criticism of Top, people have let Top and Susan down here.  Rudders is not blameless in all this. 

Edited 30 August 2022 by mozartfox

[Sunbury Fox]

13 minutes ago, TommyK said:

I wonder whether end of a cycle means the end of Tops involvement. 

3 months ago I never imagined thinking that might be the case any time soon but it's feeling more and more possible with every passing day. King Power as a business needs rebuilding after Covid and he might be thinking that he's taken the club as far as he can, given the money he now has available. He's also probably achieved everything he set out to achieve and more, with winning the PL and FA Cup. Better for him and his legacy to get out now before fans turn on him and the board, as some undoubtedly will if things continue to get worse, which looks likely given the way things are heading on the field and the kind of transfer activity we're doing or not doing. Hope I'm wrong but you have to wonder...

Edited 30 August 2022 by Sunbury Fox

[Tiny earl]

2 hours ago, LCCFox96 said:

Yes. Congerton left Sunderland during the 16/17 season for Celtic, but he was Sporting Director when Denayer was signed in the summer of that year.

Looks like he left his black book behind.

[FoxesWalk]

He’d genuinely be our worst CB 

[Tiny earl]

13 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

BR thinks first and foremost of BR.

 

Players think first and foremost of their own careers.

 

The board/owners have their own interests and agendas; which of course dictate the club's direction.

 

Sometimes those things align and there is sufficient commonality. Sometimes there isn't.

 

There is however one thing that all 3 of those groups currently need from each other; and that is success on the pitch. I suspect BR and the board do it together and that the board are keen for BR to use the assets he has and that there may be some tensions there (and its absolutely true that we approached players who we then simply couldn't complete the deals on so maybe there has been some difference in preferred strategy/vision but in some respects I think the board's hands are tied and that BR is not about to resign and walk away from a payday (but if a big job came knocking; he's as good as gone).

 

This next part sounds cryptic but really isn't. I use the word interesting because I think its interesting; not because I'm saying 'interesting' with a nudge and wink ... but the Bournemouth/Parker stuff about difference of priority/strategy/agenda etc with the owner/chairman saying it was unconditional that the club's values and vision is not compromised... well; I found that interesting.

 

That’s really, well, interesting.

[Claudio Fannieri]

20 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

BR thinks first and foremost of BR.

 

Players think first and foremost of their own careers.

 

The board/owners have their own interests and agendas; which of course dictate the club's direction.

 

Sometimes those things align and there is sufficient commonality. Sometimes there isn't.

 

There is however one thing that all 3 of those groups currently need from each other; and that is success on the pitch. I suspect BR and the board do it together and that the board are keen for BR to use the assets he has and that there may be some tensions there (and its absolutely true that we approached players who we then simply couldn't complete the deals on so maybe there has been some difference in preferred strategy/vision but in some respects I think the board's hands are tied and that BR is not about to resign and walk away from a payday (but if a big job came knocking; he's as good as gone).

 

This next part sounds cryptic but really isn't. I use the word interesting because I think its interesting; not because I'm saying 'interesting' with a nudge and wink ... but the Bournemouth/Parker stuff about difference of priority/strategy/agenda etc with the owner/chairman saying it was unconditional that the club's values and vision is not compromised... well; I found that interesting.

 

Yeah funnily enough I heard the explanation for Parker’s sacking and I thought the wording was interesting too and possibly resembled our situation. I still wouldn’t be surprised if there is a parting of the ways in the next couple of weeks. 

[The People's Hero]

2 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Yeah funnily enough I heard the explanation for Parker’s sacking and I thought the wording was interesting too and possibly resembled our situation. I still wouldn’t be surprised if there is a parting of the ways in the next couple of weeks. 

I think there are tensions at just about every PL club; but these contracts are not cheap to tear up and equally managers are generally loathe to resign unless they already have a better opportunity lined up.

 

Bit surprised about Parker, to be honest.

 

[sacreblueits442]

23 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

3 months ago I never imagined thinking that might be the case any time soon but it's feeling more and more possible with every passing day. King Power as a business needs rebuilding after Covid and he might be thinking that he's taken the club as far as he can, given the money he now has available. He's also probably achieved everything he set out to achieve and more, with winning the PL and FA Cup. Better for him and his legacy to get out now before fans turn on him and the board, as some undoubtedly will if things continue to get worse, which looks likely given the way things are heading on the field and the kind of transfer activity we're doing or not doing. Hope I'm wrong but you have to wonder...

....I think the club needs to be more open about what is happening as opposed to keeping a low-key!!!

As football supporters, most are extremely fickle and will forgive anything, as long as they are kept informed and not an afterthought by the people entrusted to administrate the running of the club.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Rather sign a holocaust denayer.

[desertfox2]

Oh please no.