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Wout Faes

By Filbert Fireworks, in Leicester City Forum

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JimJams

JimJams

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26 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Pointing fingers at individual defenders without any acknowledgement of contributing factors is pointless and a bit dumb, no midfield means constant work for the defence. This does not mean the answer is a new defender, it means the midfield and system needs a serious examination.
 

Although I do agree that Faes has been substandard and is far too often prone to moments of where he lacks attention? Stupidity? Poor instruction?

 

 Feels like most of our problems come from a lack of tactical direction and I hope this is something Ruud can address.  :fc:

Whilst the system does need and will be changed, trying to find reasons other than pointing to the obvious of singling out players is fine, however the very fact that Wout Faes has been absolutely chewed out by fans/journalists/critics of his national team performances in both International breaks underline the fact that he's just a bit shit. 

No amount of trying to attribute blame elsewhere for his shortcomings will solve the problem.  Ruud either needs to figure out how he can either A) limit his mistakes, B) address the system so his mistakes are less costly or C) replace him.

The fact that Vestergaard was conversely lauded by his national press in recent outings for Denmark beg the question as to why he's not been played ahead of Faes.  Ok, he's slow, but he knows he is, we know he is, and we can adjust. You can't adjust for brain farts.

 

Also not sure how anybody thinks using the clearance stat makes a player the best defender.  We're all aware of what a clearance stat indicates yeah?  It's not goalline clearances, it's simply clearing the ball into an area of the pitch considered to be neutral.  So kicking it into empty space up the pitch, clearing it into the final 3rd or simply blasting it out for a throw in.  Getting a '1' on your clearance stat doesn't mean you stopped a goal.  It's seriously reaching if that's the crux of the argument in his favour.

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LeePhilpottsBaldSpot

LeePhilpottsBaldSpot

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7 hours ago, Stadt said:

If he had shirt hair he’d get probably 30% less stick. He’s in shit form but he’s a player people love to hate. Although he does have to improve and stop making basic errors, no one should get away with run like he has.

 

That being said we’ve had no midfield since being promoted.When he first joined, imperious, last season he was mostly fantastic. He’s capable but the set up now is guaranteed to get the worst out of him.

 

A game under some Cooper acolyte clown isn’t that damning tbh. If he has 5 clown show performances under RVN then yeah it’s time to bin  

Sorry, but Wout Faes has never been "imperious". We conceded six in his debut and he was scoring farcical double own goals before Christmas. We had a decent run of games near to his start, but he deserves being called imperious as much as Ward, Thomas or Amartey.

 

Lots of long haired players have been loved by our fans (Soyuncu, Savage, Worthington). Lots of short haired haired players have been criticised (Low, Lewis, Bennett). The variable is their performance on the pitch, not their hairstyle!

 

The things Faes is good at should be add-ons after getting the basics of defending right. Until he can do that (and I've seen no evidence he ever will), I don't want him in our starting XI.

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VLC86

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7 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

I am going to leave it as I think Faes is more aggressive and a risk taker which leads to more clearances (potentially less goals conceded but we will never know), but cant deny Okoli hasnt made a direct goal conceding error yet, so that definitely goes in his favour, I think most people here see goal conceding errors as a unforgivable sin, whilst I have a more balanced view, so I dont know really between the two players.  The team overall has conceded less per game when Okoli is on the pitch as well.

 

Still think everyone needs to look at the bigger picture, try not to just use highlights and pay more attention to the game, because right now, teams are managing to just cut straight through our midfield which means the defenders are under more pressure.  Realistically with the amount of play in our 3rd we not going to get much clean sheets.

 

I still rate Vesty, so wouldnt mind seeing Vesty paired up with Okoli.

I’ve not read the whole thread so haven’t seen your full argument but the idea that Wout’s inclusion leads to less goals is mind boggling. I think we are both on the same page that we are missing an aggressive, clever CDM but Wout is beyond shit.

 

As for Okoli not being directly involved in a goal- See his attempt at marking/challenging for a header for Duran’s goal, didn’t he provide a through ball for one of United’s goals in the cup as well or have I imagined that? I defended the signing of Okoli having watched him at Atalanta but the reality is that at the minute he is also not good enough, although better than Wout which is hardly an achievement.

 

Despite being massively flawed himself, I’d say Vestergaard is our best defender.

 

To summarise, we are absolutely ****ed but I wonder if a decent CDM would provide a huge help.

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Haywood_6

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That performance against Chelsea when he hopelessly tried to clear it 3 or 4 times, then started laughing afterwards. He then puts in that display yesterday. He looked ok in the championship but at this level he's literally a car crash most weeks.

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Sly

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18 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

That performance against Chelsea when he hopelessly tried to clear it 3 or 4 times, then started laughing afterwards. He then puts in that display yesterday. He looked ok in the championship but at this level he's literally a car crash most weeks.

He epitomises everything that was wrong with the Belgium international team. Massively overhyped and all fart, no shiz. 

Foxy DK

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Yes, he’s aggressive and yes, people notice his mistakes and not his contributions. Problem is that his teammates never know what he’ll do. They’ll expect at least one big mistake every game, but don’t know when it will come. That bring uncertainty. Add to that his attitude and there’s no other conclusion than he has to go.

davieG

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However, Wout Faes, who started as the right-sided centre-back in the back-five, was also poor and the stats prove it.

As per Sofascore, the Belgian earned a 6.0 rating – the second-lowest on the team behind goalkeeper Mads Hermansen (5.9).

Faes also failed to make a single tackle across the 90 minutes – a pretty baffling stat considering he is a defender.

He was dribbled past twice, failed to win any of his five attempted duels, lost possession seven times and committed two fouls as well.

 

Yes he was bad but Mads the lowest rating and yes he was poor too ?

 

 

JimmyC74

JimmyC74

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For a supposed international the lad is so inconsistent and often reckless. 
 

He has been here long enough that I doubt any coach can eliminate the mistakes in him

 

Time to say thanks and off you go

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ian__marshall

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I couldn't give a damn what the stats stay, I've watched and played the game long enough to know that Faes is an awful defender and should be nowhere near the first team.

 

I guarantee the moment he's dropped we'll look a lot more organised at the back as he is clearly a nightmare to play alongside and is so unpredictable that he clearly causes a lot of uncertainty in the minds of others.

 

Unfortunately you can't have that in your backline. Everyone has to trust those around them 100%. If one engages the other has to cover and that should trigger others to follow. 

 

If you watch his positioning he's all over the place literally picking up imaginary players. Watch their second goal yesterday, genuinely have no idea what he was trying to do. He's not near any opponent and isn't tracking the ball. It's like playing without a Centre Half, yet bizarrely he's more of a hindrance than being a man light, as others expect him to be covering the space so don't close the space themselves. 

 

I have no idea what his history is as a player, but it looks to me like he started out as maybe a midfielder then with the way the game has gone in terms of having players in the back line comfortable on the ball, someone suggested he play Centre Half but gave little consideration to the fact that in-order to play that role you a) need to have instinctive defensive positional awareness, and b) know how and when to engage an opponent . He has neither hence the reason he is absolutely atrocious. 

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SafewayFox

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4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Pointing fingers at individual defenders without any acknowledgement of contributing factors is pointless and a bit dumb, no midfield means constant work for the defence. This does not mean the answer is a new defender, it means the midfield and system needs a serious examination.
 

Although I do agree that Faes has been substandard and is far too often prone to moments of where he lacks attention? Stupidity? Poor instruction?

 

 Feels like most of our problems come from a lack of tactical direction and I hope this is something Ruud can address.  :fc:

Ok, so what if you highlight his U11’s defending for Jackson’s goal last week?

 

He had 3/4 attempts to “deal with the situation” yet the arrogant twonk thought better of it.

 

Football teams without elite players (which is clearly us) are successful when every player on that pitch leave 100% out there, Pipes rightfully called out Wout’s unfounded arrogance as one of his biggest issues.

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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6 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Ok, so what if you highlight his U11’s defending for Jackson’s goal last week?

 

He had 3/4 attempts to “deal with the situation” yet the arrogant twonk thought better of it.

 

Football teams without elite players (which is clearly us) are successful when every player on that pitch leave 100% out there, Pipes rightfully called out Wout’s unfounded arrogance as one of his biggest issues.

Yes, he has been poor even by his standards of late, something I mentioned, but stopping the ball getting to him quite so often, in fact, to the defence in general, would see us improve I think.

Vestan Pance

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5 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Fed up of seeing him stink the place out, can't wait till he moves elsewhere.

 

Wish we'd stop signing dud after dud who we then get stuck with for 4 years paying them a fortune.

and often then extend the contract.

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Muzzy_no7

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2 hours ago, Buzzell said:

He’s fvcking dreadful and has been for some time now. Needs dropping but our problem is that we don’t have many options.

Okoli and Vesty have to be first choice. 
 

Coady back-up with Hamza

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