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An Away Move

High Press or Low Block?

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An Away Move

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If I were an incoming manager I'd be tempted to go back to basics and make us difficult to beat. When we came up in 2014 we never got spanked and rarely lost by more than one goal I think. I think the high press is currently exacerbating our defensive frailties. With a low block and a shift to counter attacking I think we have enough up front to nick more wins than playing via Rodger's current tactics. I'm sure if Dyche came in this would be his starting point.

 

However, if we play in a low block and defensively I imagine we could concede quite a few more corners! Gulp!

 

What to do? 

 

Would you be tempted by the the former? Or stick with?

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OntarioFox

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Low block, counter with pace. We have the players for it. Barnes, Daka, even a properly managed Vardy feeding off fast through balls? We'll score shedloads and concede waaaaay less.

 

We don't get the space to be effective because our wanky possession for the sake of it game means other teams don't need to commit bodies forwards and nullify us easily unless someone pulls a moment of magic out of their arse, á la Madders at Spurs on Saturday. We have always been most successful in this stay in the Prem when we invite pressure, do the basics and punish them on the break. Even our best runs and results under Rodgers and Puel have come when we ripped the rule book up and reverted to pur strengths - anyone remember Rodgers complaining when we beat West Brom comfortably with counter attacking footy and he was unhappy with the 'style' of the win? That was two years ago. The warning signs were there that long ago.

 

Don't know about you folks, but the most depressing part of our decline has been seeing teams steamroller us with exactly the same tactics we used to employ. I thought it as long ago as home against Palace in Puelball days, and it's been proven many, many times during Brendan's over-welcome stay in the dug out.

 

It's probably a fringe opinion, but I firmly believe us (and Atletico Madrid) were responsible for the sea change in tactics across top flight football. We killed tiki-taka by proving that discipline and a fast counter could kill what many thought was peak football.

 

Counter attacking football with high workrate is a recipe for success. It's frankly insane that Rodgers is trying to turn us into a side playing a style that we ourselves were at least partially responsible for ending the dominance of. Ranieri tried it, Puel tried it and now he's refusing to let it go.

 

We are NOT a possession side. It's shite, it flies in the face of everything we spent ten years building. Let Rodgers go, then get with the times before we're deservedly left behind by a wave we helped create. 

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1 minute ago, OntarioFox said:

Low block, counter with pace. We have the players for it. Barnes, Daka, even a properly managed Vardy feeding off fast through balls? We'll score shedloads and concede waaaaay less.

 

We don't get the space to be effective because our wanky possession for the sake of it game means other teams don't need to commit bodies forwards. We have always been most successful in this stay in the Prem when we invite pressure, do the basics and punish them on the break.

 

Don't know about you folks, but the most depressing part of our decline has been seeing teams steamroller us with exactly the same tactics we used to employ. I thought it as long ago as home against Palace in Puelball days, and it's been proven many, many times during Brendan's over-welcome stay in the dug out.

 

It's probably a fringe opinion, but I firmly believe us (and Atletico Madrid) were responsible for the sea change in tactics across top flight football. We killed tiki-taka by proving that discipline and a fast counter could kill what many thought was peak football.

 

Counter attacking football with high workrate is a recipe for success. It's frankly insane that Rodgers is trying to turn us into a side playing a style that we ourselves were at least partially responsible for ending the dominance of. Ranieri tried it, Puel tried it and now he's refusing to let it go.

 

We are NOT a possession side. It's shite, it flies in the face of everything we spent ten years building. Let Rodgers go, then get with the times before we're deservedly left behind by a wave we helped create. 

Great post. I think we did change the game. The game has moved on though. The top teams these days can play possession and hit on the break like we used to. We currently just attempt the former very poorly.

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dmayne7

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At the moment, full on high press simply because the organisation the team has is utterly atrocious that the idea of trying to contain the opposition is madness. And whilst that's the style of play I'd prefer generally (with being able to counter attack), as has been pointed out, with the players we have defensively, it's much better to keep a low block.

cityfanlee23

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Back to basics, Low block. 
Everytime we try to play high line and possession football it just does not work. We've watched this multiple times now. When we won the league with Ranieri we played fast counter attacking football, in his second season we slowed down the play and fell off a cliff.
Shakey took over and immediately results improved as he unleashed them again to play fast attacking counter football, after a good run we started to slow down the play and fell off a cliff.
Puel took over and immediately results improved as he unleashed them again to play fast attacking counter football, after a good run we started to slow down the play and fell off a cliff.
Brendan took over and immediately results improved as he unleashed them again to play fast attacking counter football, after a good run we started to slow down the play and fell off a cliff.

At this point just copy and paste that line of text and input the next managers name infront of it. 

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The counter attacking football we used to play was successful not just because it was counter attacking, it worked because it was full tilt and utterly committed. It stretches and puts pressure on defences way more than slow recycling looking for the best pass. It also increases chance going in your favour - that massively under appreciated part of the game caused by playing with a round ball.

cityfanlee23

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4 minutes ago, An Away Move said:

The counter attacking football we used to play was successful not just because it was counter attacking, it worked because it was full tilt and utterly committed. It stretches and puts pressure on defences way more than slow recycling looking for the best pass. It also increases chance going in your favour - that massively under appreciated part of the game caused by playing with a round ball.

It just seems managers become scared that it's easy to counter our counter attack by soaking up pressure, which to some extent is true. The problem is, we need a manager capable of actually creating a new system that suits the players we have. Brendan has spent something like £200m and the players look like they havent got a clue how to play to whatever his style is. 

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Low block, counter with pace. We have the players for it. Barnes, Daka, even a properly managed Vardy feeding off fast through balls? We'll score shedloads and concede waaaaay less.

 

We don't get the space to be effective because our wanky possession for the sake of it game means other teams don't need to commit bodies forwards and nullify us easily unless someone pulls a moment of magic out of their arse, á la Madders at Spurs on Saturday. We have always been most successful in this stay in the Prem when we invite pressure, do the basics and punish them on the break. Even our best runs and results under Rodgers and Puel have come when we ripped the rule book up and reverted to pur strengths - anyone remember Rodgers complaining when we beat West Brom comfortably with counter attacking footy and he was unhappy with the 'style' of the win? That was two years ago. The warning signs were there that long ago.

 

Don't know about you folks, but the most depressing part of our decline has been seeing teams steamroller us with exactly the same tactics we used to employ. I thought it as long ago as home against Palace in Puelball days, and it's been proven many, many times during Brendan's over-welcome stay in the dug out.

 

It's probably a fringe opinion, but I firmly believe us (and Atletico Madrid) were responsible for the sea change in tactics across top flight football. We killed tiki-taka by proving that discipline and a fast counter could kill what many thought was peak football.

 

Counter attacking football with high workrate is a recipe for success. It's frankly insane that Rodgers is trying to turn us into a side playing a style that we ourselves were at least partially responsible for ending the dominance of. Ranieri tried it, Puel tried it and now he's refusing to let it go.

 

We are NOT a possession side. It's shite, it flies in the face of everything we spent ten years building. Let Rodgers go, then get with the times before we're deservedly left behind by a wave we helped create. 

Depends how low the block is though. Too deep and you can't counter effectively, at least not under a manager where forward passes are banned. When we won the league, whilst it was a low block, it wasn't really low as we just let teams have the ball in harmless areas and then we pressed as a team, meant we could effectively counter.

 

You're absolutely spot on about the Atletico comparisons. They were the 1 team I didn't want in the CL because they were effectively a better version of us and we wouldn't be able to counter (no pun intended!) them. Thing is, that style of football was exciting, perhaps less so as the title winning season went on, but particularly how it started under Ranieri as a continuation of Pearson's style.

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sylofox

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We soaked it all with a low block and played out fast to win the league.  

 

We now play out slow and are bottom

 

I hate the shite we play now. Ratheter play our 2016 and loose than Brendan shite.

 

Brendan ball is the most boring I've ever seen.  And I dont want to see any more of it. I don't even want to go to the pub to watch us. That's how bad I see us now.

Arriba Los Zorros

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Can we try a mid block where we're compressing the space but still in an organised shape higher up the pitch and ready to spring a counter? 

 

Don't particularly want us to play with 25% possession when we have quality and creativity in the team. 

 

Just need a more stable base. 

desertfox2

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It should change as per the opposition which again shows Rodgers has no plan B and can't change it up. 2-0 up against Brentford change and keep it tight and tell the full backs to stay back to see out the game. Southampton ditto as Amartey was playing so we have to keep it tight at the back. All the other games should have been low block as they were against top teams with the exception of Brighton away which it would have depended on the form going into it. 

Stadt

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We’re disorganised in all phases at the minute. We’ll look better at both with a new manager, it’s extraordinary how we contrive to look worse out of possession game-by-game. 

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