Jack Harrison

[Craig]

18 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

I'd love to see him a Leicester shirt. Think he'd make an impact as well. He's underrated. 

He is. He works hard too. 

 

If we can get it done for under £25m then it's a no brainer for me. 

[STUHILL]

23 minutes ago, Craig said:

He is. He works hard too. 

 

If we can get it done for under £25m then it's a no brainer for me. 

For anything under £25 million, I think he would really have to want the move and push Leeds for it. I suspect he won't be sold in this window, but we may have an opportunity in the summer, if we stay up! 

[Walkerfox]

I’m very surprised so many people are OK with this. He’s everything that’s been wrong with our transfers over the past few years and one of the main reasons we’re in mess we’re in.

He’s another Perez. He doesn’t improve our starting 11, he has no resale value and he’s way over priced.

 

The signings of Kristiansen and presumably Tete show that we are moving in the right direction, but this is baffling. 

[JimJams]

If buying him for £20mill had absolutely no effect on other acquisitions, then it's fine. But if it's a chunk of a limited budget (as you'd expect) then £20mill should go towards first 11 players. You'd likely get LaFont for that price, which do you think has a bigger impact on the side?

Is this money better put towards a Youri replacement? It's not a huge amount of money but it is for what appears to be a squad option. Which is fine, as long as you've gotten in all your primary targets. And we've got a lot of them to get in over these next few windows.

Edited 28 January 2023 by JimJams

[RedSoxUK]

55 minutes ago, Walkerfox said:

I’m very surprised so many people are OK with this. He’s everything that’s been wrong with our transfers over the past few years and one of the main reasons we’re in mess we’re in.

He’s another Perez. He doesn’t improve our starting 11, he has no resale value and he’s way over priced.

 

The signings of Kristiansen and presumably Tete show that we are moving in the right direction, but this is baffling. 

Disagree on all the points to be honest. He's a very good player who delivers, is consistent, isn't overpaid already, he DOES improve our LW without a doubt, without a doubt.... Might not have the resale value but he won't be in an enormous salary here and that's why we've targeted him. Also I don't think 20/25m is over priced for a player that can play across the front three and has done really well in the PL already.

[moore_94]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Disagree on all the points to be honest. He's a very good player who delivers, is consistent, isn't overpaid already, he DOES improve our LW without a doubt, without a doubt.... Might not have the resale value but he won't be in an enormous salary here and that's why we've targeted him. Also I don't think 20/25m is over priced for a player that can play across the front three and has done really well in the PL already.

He is meant to be on £60k a week already, and he wont be coming here without a pay rise of some sort

[RedSoxUK]

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

He is meant to be on £60k a week already, and he wont be coming here without a pay rise of some sort

At a Leeds team who don't have high salaries? also he's in his contract signed from an option from a loan in their first year back in the PL so I'd say he's between 20-40k. Most likely 40k highest so we would be offering probably 60-80k??

[Nicolo Barella]

7 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

At a Leeds team who don't have high salaries? also he's in his contract signed from an option from a loan in their first year back in the PL so I'd say he's between 20-40k. Most likely 40k highest so we would be offering probably 60-80k??

60k is not a very high salary for a PL footballer.

[Nicolo Barella]

We ultimately know his level, and it's unlikely it can be improved upon by changing the manager that much. At his best, he has been one of a mid-table side's standout attacking players. He has not held that position consistently, though. If we sign him, we kind of know that his ceiling is about our club level, no big club will ever be clamouring to buy him, so resale value is pretty low as we would be buying at an inflated price at the moment. He's halfway through his career, and will be wanting a serious increase in his wages, at least £10-20k.

 

Sounds exactly like Perez, all in all. Please, let's sign some players with some potential for improvement and resale value, or our financial situation will never improve.

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Craig said:

He is. He works hard too. 

 

If we can get it done for under £25m then it's a no brainer for me. 

 

 

younger version of sharky.

[RedSoxUK]

4 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

60k is not a very high salary for a PL footballer.

For promoted sides in their first year back in PL? What do you think the other Leeds players from then are on, or the Bournemouth players, Fulham players. I seriously doubt even the top end would be on 60k. Plus you have to factor in time and old contacts, signed a 3 year deal with City as a youth player, extensions and loans what was he on then 10-15k probaby, the 11m low transfer to Leeds probably doubled it with the option to 30-40k I just can't see how he would have been offered 60k.

 

 

[Nicolo Barella]

8 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

For promoted sides in their first year back in PL? What do you think the other Leeds players from then are on, or the Bournemouth players, Fulham players. I seriously doubt even the top end would be on 60k. Plus you have to factor in time and old contacts, signed a 3 year deal with City as a youth player, extensions and loans what was he on then 10-15k probaby, the 11m low transfer to Leeds probably doubled it with the option to 30-40k I just can't see how he would have been offered 60k.

 

 

Leeds have been in the PL for 3 seasons now. Harrison signed a contract with them after their first season promoted with them, iirc, so they knew they had at least two seasons of PL money to cover his contract.

 

Whether or not he's on 60k now, he also knows if he waits another year he'll be able to sign on as a free agent and get a huge increase on what he's currently earning, so throwing that away now would mean that he'd need a very good offer, especially as he knows he's competing with Barnes. He would not come cheaply.

[Claridge]

Always looked good when I’ve seen him. Be a good signing for 20 million

[RedSoxUK]

Just now, Nicolo Barella said:

Leeds have been in the PL for 3 seasons now. Harrison signed a contract with them after their first season promoted with them, iirc, so they knew they had at least two seasons of PL money to cover his contract.

 

Whether or not he's on 60k now, he also knows if he waits another year he'll be able to sign on as a free agent and get a huge increase on what he's currently earning, so throwing that away now would mean that he'd need a very good offer, especially as he knows he's competing with Barnes. He would not come cheaply.

Yeah they took up the option from his loan implying terms were already agreed in their first season back in the PL, and nobody expected them to do that well remember. I see Philips signed a big deal the year before in the Championship on 30k, yeah I just doubt Harrison is on that much and I would also guess the offer from Leeds isn't/won't be anywhere near what we can offer either.

 

I also would say it's targeted specifically because we can probably lick up a first team / rotating with Barnes for 60-80k a week when you look at the other targets and signings who have or will be by our standards been on low salaries, Faes, Kristiansen, Souttar. 

[Aus Fox]

39 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

At a Leeds team who don't have high salaries? also he's in his contract signed from an option from a loan in their first year back in the PL so I'd say he's between 20-40k. Most likely 40k highest so we would be offering probably 60-80k??

20 million + 70k a week is very high for a player who will not get into our best starting 11. 
When our finances are tight, I can’t see us doing this. We are getting Perez

off the wage bill and replacing him with like for like. 

[themightyfin]

You don't get him for £20m. 

No way would they sell him for that. 

[RedSoxUK]

11 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

20 million + 70k a week is very high for a player who will not get into our best starting 11. 
When our finances are tight, I can’t see us doing this. We are getting Perez

off the wage bill and replacing him with like for like. 

Well he would get in over Barnes today wouldn't he. And can play across the front three something Barnes can't do. He also gets in ahead of Perez - who more then likely is on more than 70k. 20m would actually be good value for money for a well established PL player often close to an England call up. Kristianson cost us 17m for instance. Would we sell Barnes to Leeds for 20m? When we know Harrison has been and currently is a better team player.

[Aus Fox]

1 minute ago, RedSoxUK said:

Well he would get in over Barnes today wouldn't he. And can play across the front three something Barnes can't do. He also gets in ahead of Perez - who more then likely is on more than 70k. 20m would actually be good value for money for a well established PL player often close to an England call up. Kristianson cost us 17m for instance. Would we sell Barnes to Leeds for 20m? When we know Harrison has been and currently is a better team player.

Not a chance is Harrison anywhere near the level Barnes is at and never will be. An out of form Barnes has 7 PL goals in 18 games this season. Harrison has one in 17.

With a front 3 of Barnes Striker Tete and Maddison more central Harrison won’t get near that team when everyone is fit.

Having Tete and Maddison back in the team will also give Barnes a lot more space and less pressure to do what he does.

I’m not saying Harrison is a bad player, but he’s a level below Barnes, Maddison and Tete

[Scotch]

4 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Not a chance is Harrison anywhere near the level Barnes is at and never will be. An out of form Barnes has 7 PL goals in 18 games this season. Harrison has one in 17.

With a front 3 of Barnes Striker Tete and Maddison more central Harrison won’t get near that team when everyone is fit.

Having Tete and Maddison back in the team will also give Barnes a lot more space and less pressure to do what he does.

I’m not saying Harrison is a bad player, but he’s a level below Barnes, Maddison and Tete

I mean, I don't think they've been too dissimilar. Barnes has 7 goals and 1 assist in 23 games this season. Harrison has 2 goals and 7 assists in 20 games...

[Guest Manini]

Asked my mate about him in a broader sense and he reckons he doesn’t get in their best 11 as it stands. 

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, RedSoxUK said:

Disagree on all the points to be honest. He's a very good player who delivers, is consistent, isn't overpaid already, he DOES improve our LW without a doubt, without a doubt.... Might not have the resale value but he won't be in an enormous salary here and that's why we've targeted him. Also I don't think 20/25m is over priced for a player that can play across the front three and has done really well in the PL already.

His stats vs Barnes would suggest he doesn't improve our left wing. I do believe Barnes needs competition but I also feel many have written Barnes off due to his recent poor form. His poor form has coincided with Maddison being injured and Barnes being our only attacking threat meaning teams have doubled up on him. I think Barnes gets back to his best form with Maddison and Tete in the team 

[Deeg67]

9 hours ago, Manini said:

Asked my mate about him in a broader sense and he reckons he doesn’t get in their best 11 as it stands. 

It's an interesting question.  McKennie isn't being brought in to sit, but I suspect it signals a change in preferred formation.  I think Roca will be the guy to give way.  But with Rodrigo, Bamford, Gnonto, Sinisterra, and Rutter all as pure front line players and Harrison and Aaronson as AM/winger floaters, it does create some real competition.

 

If Harrison goes, it will be because he's pushing for a move and won't sign a new contract (sound familiar?) and they don't want to do a Leicester and lose him for nowt.  But Jesse wants him there and I think they're going to try and keep him.  20 million would be a steal for us.

Edited 29 January 2023 by Deeg67

[Scotch]

15 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

His stats vs Barnes would suggest he doesn't improve our left wing. I do believe Barnes needs competition but I also feel many have written Barnes off due to his recent poor form. His poor form has coincided with Maddison being injured and Barnes being our only attacking threat meaning teams have doubled up on him. I think Barnes gets back to his best form with Maddison and Tete in the team 

I would say I  head to head stats, it's clear to see that they are very different, other than the amount of passes which are very similar. 

 

Barnes scores much more often and he shoots more but Harrison seems much more a team player. More crosses, passes forward, assists, chances created, through balls etc. He's also far better in just about every aspect of the defensive game. Tackles, blocks, clearances and so on. 

[Deeg67]

1 hour ago, Scotch said:

I would say I  head to head stats, it's clear to see that they are very different, other than the amount of passes which are very similar. 

 

Barnes scores much more often and he shoots more but Harrison seems much more a team player. More crosses, passes forward, assists, chances created, through balls etc. He's also far better in just about every aspect of the defensive game. Tackles, blocks, clearances and so on. 

Harrison is a totally different player to Barnes.  He's basically an attacking MF who strays wide, no way a winger.  Barnes' job is to score and that's all he does (if you're lucky).  Harrison is a creator more than a goal scorer and works extremely hard in pressing and tracking back.

[UHDrive]

10 hours ago, Nicolo Barella said:

60k is not a very high salary for a PL footballer.

Agreed. £60K on a first team player imo is on the lower side of medium.