Patson Daka

[funkyrobot]

10 minutes ago, Verumex said:

So you're ignoring the other stuff?

Europa? No. I’m just pointing out the big chunk of your stats weren’t in the last two years as was asked. As for Europa he contributed brilliantly in two games. Great stuff, particularly against the mad high line that Spartak played when he could run on to balls over the top. That high line doesn’t happen much in England unfortunately. 
 

I do agree that Rodgers hasn’t helped and I hope that Daka is more effective under Maresca. We haven’t seen any evidence of that in preseason though unfortunately. 

Edited 30 July 2023 by funkyrobot

[Foxmeister]

3 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I see your inflated transfer fee has already been put right 

 

He played the equivalent of 12.83 games that season. Times that by 3 is 38.5 so basically he played a third of a season but without consistent game time being in and out, off the bench etc. 

 

So my question to you is, how would you view 15 goals and 9 assists over a full season playing every game?

 

For context, 8 players from non ‘rich 6’ clubs have scored 15 or more in the last 5 seasons (Vardy has done it 4 times). 
 

So no, the goal contributions are not that bad in context. If you don’t think minutes on the pitch has a direct correlation to the amount a goals and assists a player should provide I can’t help you 

How many of those 8 played every minute of the season?

[LCFCJohn]

6 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

He only played the equivalent of 12.83 games at a cost of £23m because he didn’t do enough in his time on the pitch to justify more. If he’d come on and contributed to play, looked dangerous on the ball and pressed effectively off the ball he would’ve got more game time. If his technique was better he could’ve also perhaps had more opportunities elsewhere along the front line - maybe filled the right sided attacking role. 

Well at least this is a matter for opinion and it’s a fair enough point. 
 

The flip side to this is that he joined in the summer where Iheanacho had that fantastic scoring run to the end of the season before after we changed style due to Barnes injury and of course Vardy is Vardy. He wasn’t signed to come straight into the team.

 

There’s a reason why no other striker who has passed through the doors has ultimately been a success for a long time now. They are always playing second fiddle (at least) to the GOAT.

 

Look I’m not saying his return was great. The numbers are obviously low as stand alone numbers. I just think it’s fair to provide a bit more around that. 
 

I mean where we can agree is that he probably should move on. But my reason for saying that is that clearly a huge proportion of the fan based has given up on him and won’t give him any support. It won’t help him when you’re all booing him every time he receives the ball!

Edited 31 July 2023 by LCFCJohn

[LCFCJohn]

5 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

How many of those 8 played every minute of the season?

I don’t know, well I can’t be arsed to look to be completely honest.

 

It is a reference point. Of course if Ivan Toney or Danny Ings managed it in equivalent of say 30 games, that’s more impressive as in turn, you could point to how many more could they have scored.

 

The point was, that over a season, 15 goals would be classed as a pretty good return for any player outside of 6 clubs.

 

What this thread shows me, is that many have become very spoilt with us having had Vardy and will be very disappointed with any strikers we bring in if he’s the standard. 

[funkyrobot]

8 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Well at least this is a matter for opinion and it’s a fair enough point. 
 

The flip side to this is that he joined in the summer where Iheanacho had that fantastic scoring run to the end of the season before after we changed style due to Barnes injury and of course Vardy is Vardy. He wasn’t signed to come straight into the team.

 

There’s a reason why no other striker who has passed through the doors has ultimately been a success for a long time now. They are always playing second fiddle (at least) to the GOAT.

 

Look I’m not saying his return was great. The numbers are obviously low as stand alone numbers. I just think it’s fair to provide a bit more around that. 
 

I mean where we can agree is that he probably should move on. But my reason for saying that is that clearly a huge proportion of the fan based has given up on him and won’t give him any support. It won’t help him when you’re all booing him every time he receives the ball!

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Patson get booed tbf. As I said, if he had a more complete game, he could’ve found himself playing to the right of our GOAT. Because he appears to be only a finisher, without the rounded game to contribute outside of that scope, he is in a position where he is competing for only one role. Mavididi coming in for example, because he has a better overall technique will be able to provide an option wide or centrally up front, increasing the likelihood of his game time. 

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Patson get booed tbf. As I said, if he had a more complete game, he could’ve found himself playing to the right of our GOAT. Because he appears to be only a finisher, without the rounded game to contribute outside of that scope, he is in a position where he is competing for only one role. Mavididi coming in for example, because he has a better overall technique will be able to provide an option wide or centrally up front, increasing the likelihood of his game time. 

First line maybe an exaggeration 

 

Maybe, but you can’t deny strikers coming in over the past years have had a difficult time of it due to playing second fiddle to and being set to the standard of Vardy. 
 

Im not saying Daka has a particularly rounded game, I’d sooner he stays away from our own area to be fair! Although I don’t ever really want to see our striker back for corners or defending because who’s doing their job then? 
 

Ultimately it’s about how your playing. A strikers primary job is to put the ball in the net and Daka has shown he can do that in the opportunities he has had. If you want a rounded player, he’s probably not your guy. Not that he’s not good enough but similar to Iverson being replaced. Clearly good enough for this level at his primary job, but due to the style we are going for, is a casualty of that. It’s a similar case really.

 

I hold the view which I have for some other players, that some of the younger players now have the opportunity to kick on with us being in the new league and with new manager and coaching staff. I want to give them the opportunity to show who their real version is.

Of course if we get a bit into this season and Daka has been given the opportunity to lead the line, had decent service and is not pulling up trees, I’ll not stick rigidly to my view and will admit it’s not going to work for him. If the opposite happens and he smashed it, how many people would admit they were wrong though is my question?

[sacreblueits442]

23 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

One of the frustrating things I find with Daka is when he is closing down and pressing a defender on the ball he curves his run so he can run behind the defender rather than facing him up and making him pass or try and use some skill. Daka curves his run, opens the front door and the defender runs forward with Daka now chasing him from behind. It never works, the defender knows where he is. It gives the defender free space to pass or run forward. I don’t know why he does it or why 3 managers now have not  told him to stop it. It’s almost Barnesesque in the ‘going through the motions’ approach to pressing. 

...if you saw the U21s, that was the tactics of the wide forwards (Maswanhise did this a lot)!!!

I am not sure if they saw it as coming from the blindside of the player in possession and catching him off guard. It seems it was something in the previous coaching manual.

  Watching him yesterday, he was motioning where he wanted the pass to go but it was never released with him tight on the Man. City backline. He should be screaming for the pass and he will have to become an alpha dog in this group to get the service that he needs.

  Ndidi seems to have better anticipation and takes up better positions than he does and as a result, Daka looks like a passenger in the team.

[sacreblueits442]

19 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Exactly this.  If he wasn’t banging them in with them 3 supplying, just give him his BFH and call it a day.

...it is noticeable that for a player said to be a direct replacement for Vardy, the service that Vardy got changed to a different style of play when Daka came on!!!

[TJB-fox]

21 hours ago, Langston said:

 

I'm a Daka fan but you also think Dennis Praet is worth keeping hold of despite the fact he wears crocs for boots

Both players completely under-utilised and not given ample time in a confident Leicester side. Confidence of both absolutely shot to bits 

Edited 31 July 2023 by TJB-fox

[Claridge]

11 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

Both players completely under-utilised and not given ample time in a confident Leicester side. Confidence of both absolutely shot to bits 

And both rubbish almost every time they are given a chance, my confidence in either of them is shot to its

[ARM1968]

Daka will be the second best striker in world football the moment we sell him. 

[squidsworth]

On 30/07/2023 at 22:44, Verumex said:

 

 

To add to this, in the last season he played only two full games of football in the Premier League. One of them he was out of position as Left Winger, in the other one, he got one goal and one assist.

Hmm didn't he score 3 or 4 Europa League goals in one game,very early on in his career here? Not sure that constitutes evidence. More the opposition we were playing against weren't much good.  And I don't really care for what he did in a foreign league before he arrived, at the top level in English football he's never looked likely to fulfill any promise shown elsewhere. I think the reason he didn't play last year,even when we're total dog shite, says it all.  He had chances as sub but still couldn't shine... If he is still around in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see how he does.  I feel he hasn't the strength to compete against some of types we'll now encounter. 

[Silebyfox_89]

Another transfer thread going south. Bin.

[Verumex]

2 minutes ago, squidsworth said:

Hmm didn't he score 3 or 4 Europa League goals in one game,very early on in his career here? Not sure that constitutes evidence. More the opposition we were playing against weren't much good.  And I don't really care for what he did in a foreign league before he arrived, at the top level in English football he's never looked likely to fulfill any promise shown elsewhere. I think the reason he didn't play last year,even when we're total dog shite, says it all.  He had chances as sub but still couldn't shine... If he is still around in a few weeks, it will be interesting to see how he does.  I feel he hasn't the strength to compete against some of types we'll now encounter. 

That was against Spartak Moscow, they're not pushovers. 

 

If anything, that's more evidence to my point, when he came here he was a fantastic player. I really believe that he's been managed wrong, and that's the cause of his decline, just like a lot of our players. 

[ARM1968]

Daka is quality. I know you don’t believe me but I really don’t care. 

[cropstonfox]

3 hours ago, Verumex said:

That was against Spartak Moscow, they're not pushovers. 

 

If anything, that's more evidence to my point, when he came here he was a fantastic player. I really believe that he's been managed wrong, and that's the cause of his decline, just like a lot of our players. 

Sorry,he's shite.

He's got a terrible touch and no strength .

 

[majaco]

Keep

[Ted Maul]

We've got a few players who haven't shown us much since they've been here but should be brilliant at this standard if theyre up for it. Daka is one of them.

[RobHawk]

I'll reserve judgement on daka, under Rodgers even vardy was made to look dogshit most of last season. 

 

[squidsworth]

Well if he is still here in a few weeks, we'll find out.... Won't be sorry if he isn't here though and we never find out. Especially if we get a few million in the bank. What wage is he earning? We can't afford passengers anymore so get out or start to contribute.. 

[Uncle Monty]

On 31/07/2023 at 01:21, LCFCJohn said:

First line maybe an exaggeration 

 

Maybe, but you can’t deny strikers coming in over the past years have had a difficult time of it due to playing second fiddle to and being set to the standard of Vardy. 
 

Im not saying Daka has a particularly rounded game, I’d sooner he stays away from our own area to be fair! Although I don’t ever really want to see our striker back for corners or defending because who’s doing their job then? 
 

Ultimately it’s about how your playing. A strikers primary job is to put the ball in the net and Daka has shown he can do that in the opportunities he has had. If you want a rounded player, he’s probably not your guy. Not that he’s not good enough but similar to Iverson being replaced. Clearly good enough for this level at his primary job, but due to the style we are going for, is a casualty of that. It’s a similar case really.

 

I hold the view which I have for some other players, that some of the younger players now have the opportunity to kick on with us being in the new league and with new manager and coaching staff. I want to give them the opportunity to show who their real version is.

Of course if we get a bit into this season and Daka has been given the opportunity to lead the line, had decent service and is not pulling up trees, I’ll not stick rigidly to my view and will admit it’s not going to work for him. If the opposite happens and he smashed it, how many people would admit they were wrong though is my question?

I'm sure all the Daka haters would love to be proven wrong if it means success for Leicester.

[Jattdogg]

Daka to score 15 goals this season (if he stays)

[Bptiger]

14 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Daka to score 15 goals this season (if he stays)

Hope he gone 

[An Away Move]

I remember Daka in pre-season against QPR. In a front two with Iheanacho he was great. 

[Vindaloo FOX]

If Enzo can get confidence back in him he can be a real threat for us this season.