Self criticism

[NasPb]

Contemplating this club that makes us suffer late at night. 

 

Where could we as fans do more? I think our lack of vocalness doesn't help in the stadium. 

 

We also have not been defiant enough. Times are really dark, they require drastic measures. 

 

In truth we shouldn't have to do anything, but it'd certainly help to cause an avalanche effect 

[smudger63]

Came to this thread because it clearly wasn't going to be about Brendan Rodgers as he doesn't do "self criticism" as we know!  I think the difference this time to the great escape season, is that many in the fan base have had the energy and enthusiasm sucked out of us, by the constant negativy from the manager, the lack of action both in recruitment in the summer, and in seemingly not realising the trouble we are in, and doing something about it, from those running the club, and by the performances and at times a perceived lack of caring on the pitch.  There is a disconnect between fans and players. There are many players who know they won't be here next season, we know it, and they know it, and it shows.  There was a feeling of "We are all in it together" with the great escape team, and it helped get us through it. That is not the case with this team and manager sadly. Should we as fans be doing more regardless? Yes we should, but I just think that so many have been completely drained.

[Deeg67]

It's not the fans' fault FFS.  Blame the owners and the manager, who deserve it, and stop trying to find reasons to excuse their awful performance.

Edited 16 March 2023 by Deeg67

[FrankieADZ]

tbf most fans have nothing to be at fault for, we go, put in the effort to go, pay our money to watch them, 

they can turn up, can be complete poo, still get paid a nice wage every week,

while at times i feel we need to support them more but when they show no fight or passion on the pitch, why should we

i suspect most leicester fans can take a loss but as long as the players go down fighting, and not rolling over expecting a belly rub

I'll always support Leicester but nothing or no one can defend some of the performances we've had the past 18 months,

[Kilworthfox]

At this point where its come to this, you have to say as a fan base we are simply subjugated by a few factors. 

 

The fan base is split or it certainly was and this makes voicing a strong opinion one way or the other shouted down at games and on here. This polarised support leads to inaction. 

 

The media largely ignore us outside of our county. This lack of interest enables BR to be under far less scrutiny than he merits.  He seems to have the media on his side irrespective of performances and results. This doesn't help the fan base or board to realise the situation. 

 

There have been no protests against either the manager or the board. The vocal outcry has however started in the stadium. 

 

Once the fan base turns vocally inside the stadium, home or away that's the beginning of the end, we are simply taking our time about it. 

 

Edited 16 March 2023 by Kilworthfox

[Sly]

Bizarrely, I can play football to a level where I don’t need fans to perform. 

 

Anyone proportioning blame on fans for Soumares lack of effort would be one of craziest things I’ve ever seen on Foxestalk! …… and we’ve had some wild comments and threads. 

[Daggers]

I am going to step up my game, do more, and stay away from the club even harder until Rodgers has fvcked off or been fvcked off.

[Finnegan]

The average foxestalker =/= the average fan in the stadium. 

 

Even if people on here unanimously agreed they had to make more noise for the team to be successful, it's not really going to change much on a match day. 

[Bourbon Fox]

2 hours ago, smudger63 said:

There are many players who know they won't be here next season, we know it, and they know it, and it shows. 

Yeah, the contract situation really doesn't help that.

 

Then the boss throws out comments like 'there are some players here who aren't as good as they think they are [paraphrase]' and makes constant comments about lack of quality and where's the motivation going to come from?

 

I thought after the summer window that this season was going to be a write-off in terms of progress, but I did think we'd tread water and regroup for the next one.

 

Instead we've got half the squad who seem to have already written it off completely - the difference is, they can move to a new club. We can't.

[foxile5]

When we're losing and the football is shit the atmosphere is poor.

 

When we're winning and the football is good the atmosphere is great.

 

You wildly overestimate the impact and role of the crowd. We reflect what is on the pitch rather than the other way round. This mythical 'twelfth man' rubbish is just a marketing ploy to make the common man feel as though he has a greater connection to football team than he actually does thus loosening the purse strings.

 

If anything, threats of physical violence from the stands might have some short term success but I'm not advocating that. A few spirited rounds of something set to sloop John b isn't going to motivate a bunch of millionaires quite literally playing a game.

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

It's not the fans' fault FFS.  Blame the owners and the manager, who deserve it, and stop trying to find reasons to excuse their awful performance.

And players. The absoloute ****.

[Lcfc098]

6 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

When we're losing and the football is shit the atmosphere is poor.

 

When we're winning and the football is good the atmosphere is great.

 

You wildly overestimate the impact and role of the crowd. We reflect what is on the pitch rather than the other way round. This mythical 'twelfth man' rubbish is just a marketing ploy to make the common man feel as though he has a greater connection to football team than he actually does thus loosening the purse strings.

 

If anything, threats of physical violence from the stands might have some short term success but I'm not advocating that. A few spirited rounds of something set to sloop John b isn't going to motivate a bunch of millionaires quite literally playing a game.

Simply untrue

[Vazman]

8 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Simply untrue

It simply is true, example, at the Wolves v Leicester game pre world cup, the Leicester fans were exceptional the support was great, we won, simple really. The Wolves fans were silent it's not unique to Leicester all fan bases are the same.

[Lcfc098]

3 minutes ago, Vazman said:

It simply is true, example, at the Wolves v Leicester game pre world cup, the Leicester fans were exceptional the support was great, we won, simple really. The Wolves fans were silent it's not unique to Leicester all fan bases are the same.

I’m talking more about home games than away 

[Vazman]

1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said:

I’m talking more about home games than away 

I can see your point, make the Home fixtures a fortress, and agree, but given Wolves in my example were at home and were bad, and had been for sometime, it kinda proves my point about fanbases in general, if your performances are dogs consistently, which ours are home and away, more so at home, it gets hard for the fans to get excited right or wrong, but to say its unique to Leicester is untrue 

[Finnegan]

44 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Simply untrue

 

Not really. 

 

In fact it's pretty much exactly accurate. 

 

Our home atmosphere very much depends on what's happening on the pitch more than the other way around. 

[Lcfc098]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Not really. 

 

In fact it's pretty much exactly accurate. 

 

Our home atmosphere very much depends on what's happening on the pitch more than the other way around. 

I don't disagree. What's untrue is that our home atmosphere is great when we're playing good. It's poor either way

[Finnegan]

Just now, Lcfc098 said:

I don't disagree. What's untrue is that our home atmosphere is great when we're playing good. It's poor either way

 

It depends what you're comparing it to. "Great" and "poor" are subjective terms aren't they and all relative. 

 

Compared to other Premier League grounds, the atmosphere was good at the KP during the "great escape", the title winning season and during our Champions League run. 

 

If you don't think the atmosphere was great the night we beat Sevilla, for example, you either weren't here or you've got extremely unrealistic expectations. 

 

Obviously if you're comparing against some of the big Bundesliga or Serie A teams then, yes, every Premier Club has terrible atmosphere either way. I mean if you watched the recent Napoli vs Frankfurt tie, both legs of that the home fans made absolutely unbelievable noise. 

[Lcfc098]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

It depends what you're comparing it to. "Great" and "poor" are subjective terms aren't they and all relative. 

 

Compared to other Premier League grounds, the atmosphere was good at the KP during the "great escape", the title winning season and during our Champions League run. 

 

If you don't think the atmosphere was great the night we beat Sevilla, for example, you either weren't here or you've got extremely unrealistic expectations. 

 

Obviously if you're comparing against some of the big Bundesliga or Serie A teams then, yes, every Premier Club has terrible atmosphere either way. I mean if you watched the recent Napoli vs Frankfurt tie, both legs of that the home fans made absolutely unbelievable noise. 

We were good in the great escape season and champions league/title winning obviously. It's the season after the champions league where it really started to go downhill.

[Stuntman_Mike]

56 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

When we're losing and the football is shit the atmosphere is poor.

 

When we're winning and the football is good the atmosphere is great.

 

You wildly overestimate the impact and role of the crowd. We reflect what is on the pitch rather than the other way round. This mythical 'twelfth man' rubbish is just a marketing ploy to make the common man feel as though he has a greater connection to football team than he actually does thus loosening the purse strings.

 

If anything, threats of physical violence from the stands might have some short term success but I'm not advocating that. A few spirited rounds of something set to sloop John b isn't going to motivate a bunch of millionaires quite literally playing a game.

Fans do play a part in creating a positive atmosphere and contribute in bringing out the best in players, but of course that doesn't guarantee a poor side will perform beyond their skillset just because a ground is noisy.

 

 

[RonnieTodger]

“Sleepwalking into relegation” includes the fanbase 

[Death by Football]

Fans need hope to create an atmosphere. It’s hard to be boisterous when you know the play is going to be utter turd and we will lose to a team that on paper are far worse than us. 
There is very little hope and belief left in the support so the atmosphere reflects that. 

[RonnieTodger]

8 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

We were good in the great escape season and champions league/title winning obviously. It's the season after the champions league where it really started to go downhill.

This is also true. There have been exceptions like Forest and Spurs this season, as well Liverpool and Man Utd last year. 
 

But we’d been chasing the champions league, 4-0 up against Newcastle and it was awful. 

[MPH]

I agree our lack of vocalness is a problem. Need to hear more “ Rodgers out” chants.

[Finnegan]

37 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

We were good in the great escape season and champions league/title winning obviously. It's the season after the champions league where it really started to go downhill.

 

So then you're literally agreeing the atmosphere is good when things are going well on the pitch

 

What are you arguing for?