Rudkin

[Mickyblueeyes]

I take my laptop on holiday. It’s not a flex. It’s just life. Something great about (usually) starting the day a few hours before everyone else, with a cup of coffee and the sun shining. 
 

Rudkin is probably doing his job. It’s just he isn’t very good at it!

[LinekersLugs]

He has been in talks with Steve cooper and his agent for 3 days now 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

This thread has descended into this. You're very weird the pair of you. No one is impressed.

 

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

He has been in talks with Steve cooper and his agent for 3 days now 

He must feel v important by this stage in negotiations……

 

you’d think he has lots to do this summer re player contract negs and prospective ins/outs 

 

 

[Vlad the Fox]

On 05/06/2024 at 00:22, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Rudkin wasn’t going anywhere regardless in my opinion, at best we would have got a sporting director.

Agree, I don’t think he’d have gone anywhere either, but as reported the club had sat down and held talks with meresca (after which he agreed to stay) and planned to implement the changes he wanted so hopefully the club will still put this structure in place for the new manager.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Villa need to raise money to comply with PSR. Strong rumours they're selling Dhuran, Cash and Luis all for between 20-30m.

 

They're all decent players but then so are Tielemans, Justin and Ricardo. I'd also argue Dhuran is still largely unproven - statistically Daka and Iheanacho would be comparable.

 

We've generated 0m in sales combined from those players. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

23 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Villa need to raise money to comply with PSR. Strong rumours they're selling Dhuran, Cash and Luis all for between 20-30m.

 

They're all decent players but then so are Tielemans, Justin and Ricardo. I'd also argue Dhuran is still largely unproven - statistically Daka and Iheanacho would be comparable.

 

We've generated 0m in sales combined from those players. 

And yet still he survives, it is no wonder the club has fallen away,, since we won the league we have employed 5 permanent managers, the next appointment will be number 6 and yet despite the impending points deduction and likelihood we will be severely hamstrung in the transfer market as a consequence of our change in strategy, we seem so reluctant to change our Director of Football. 
 

I honesty believe had we had a more experienced and savvy operator at the club in the last 3-4 years we would have made an additional £100-150m in  transfer revenue and without doubt found a way to move on some of the deadwood. 

[filthyfox]

On 05/06/2024 at 23:53, LinekersLugs said:

He has been in talks with Steve cooper and his agent for 3 days now 

Steve Coogan, you say?

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Villa need to raise money to comply with PSR. Strong rumours they're selling Dhuran, Cash and Luis all for between 20-30m.

 

They're all decent players but then so are Tielemans, Justin and Ricardo. I'd also argue Dhuran is still largely unproven - statistically Daka and Iheanacho would be comparable.

 

We've generated 0m in sales combined from those players. 

Ffs you do realise you can't force players to go. You also cant force them to sign a new contract

55 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

And yet still he survives, it is no wonder the club has fallen away,, since we won the league we have employed 5 permanent managers, the next appointment will be number 6 and yet despite the impending points deduction and likelihood we will be severely hamstrung in the transfer market as a consequence of our change in strategy, we seem so reluctant to change our Director of Football. 
 

I honesty believe had we had a more experienced and savvy operator at the club in the last 3-4 years we would have made an additional £100-150m in  transfer revenue and without doubt found a way to move on some of the deadwood. 

Again just blame Rudkin ffs. Top has the say on what we will accept. No one has a say if youri wants to run his contract down and walk.

 

 

Ffs you lot act your age. Rudkin ain't great but stuff he gets the blame for is ridiculous. A group of 12yo would be able to see its not all rudkins fault.

 

TBH if we get rid and the new guy looks on here he won't take it. Why would you knowing the fans will blame you for everything. Oh yes a really stupid pay packet.

[sylofox]

On 05/06/2024 at 23:53, LinekersLugs said:

He has been in talks with Steve cooper and his agent for 3 days now 

And your problem is?

 

Not going to be easy to get anyone in.

 

A) pts deduction

B) is it true you have to sell first

C) why the fvck would I.

 

None of this is solely down to Rudkin.

[Ric Flair]

5 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Ffs you do realise you can't force players to go. You also cant force them to sign a new contract

Again just blame Rudkin ffs. Top has the say on what we will accept. No one has a say if youri wants to run his contract down and walk.

 

 

Ffs you lot act your age. Rudkin ain't great but stuff he gets the blame for is ridiculous. A group of 12yo would be able to see its not all rudkins fault.

 

TBH if we get rid and the new guy looks on here he won't take it. Why would you knowing the fans will blame you for everything. Oh yes a really stupid pay packet.

It's uncanny though that we are the biggest outlier in the last 5+ years on the volume (lack of) players moving on for a transfer fee. The only reason some might not " want " to move on is because of the obscene wages they may have been on at Leicester vs the market rate for such talent. Again, who's remit is that?

 

We were the standout club as well for many to aspire to, our players should have been coveted by all and sundry.

 

 

[sylofox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It's uncanny though that we are the biggest outlier in the last 5+ years on the volume of players moving on for a transfer fee. The only reason some might not " want " to move on is because of the obscene wages they may have been on at Leicester vs the market rate for such talent. Again, who's remit is that?

 

 

He must have been given a budget?

 

He was also probably told to do what Rodgers wanted. From what I've been told he was not a Rodgers fan. So he was taking orders from above if true.

 

End of the day he's not solely responsible for everything he gets the blame for on here. I'd like him gone but ffs this is school yard bullying in here.

[coolhandfox]

30 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It's uncanny though that we are the biggest outlier in the last 5+ years on the volume (lack of) players moving on for a transfer fee. The only reason some might not " want " to move on is because of the obscene wages they may have been on at Leicester vs the market rate for such talent. Again, who's remit is that?

 

We were the standout club as well for many to aspire to, our players should have been coveted by all and sundry.

 

 

I've got a feeling we just set to higher values, we always seem to thinking a player is worth more then people are will to pay.

 

For example 4m for Iversen turned down in the summer was a no brained once the manager decided he didn't fit into our plans.

 

 

Edited 13 June 2024 by coolhandfox

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He must have been given a budget?

 

He was also probably told to do what Rodgers wanted. From what I've been told he was not a Rodgers fan. So he was taking orders from above if true.

 

End of the day he's not solely responsible for everything he gets the blame for on here. I'd like him gone but ffs this is school yard bullying in here.

We are in a world where the director of football is expected to be a highly dynamic leader, nearly every successful club will have recruited such a person and their responsibilities and expectations would be extremely high. Ours seems to not be performance measured on our appalling ability to sell players (bar the obvious highly coveted players) and the culmination of over paying for players in fees and wages and breaching PSR.

 

Not my fault jack attitude from our fans on one of the most important roles in our club is unhelpful. We should demand for better.

[Ric Flair]

12 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I've got a feeling we just set to higher values, we always seem to thinking a player is worth more then people are will to pay.

 

For example 4m for Iversen turned down in the summer was a no brained once the manager decided he didn't fit into our plans.

 

 

Bang on.

[alanf0x]

Looks like a rabbit in headlights - not a leader 

[sylofox]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We are in a world where the director of football is expected to be a highly dynamic leader, nearly every successful club will have recruited such a person and their responsibilities and expectations would be extremely high. Ours seems to not be performance measured on our appalling ability to sell players (bar the obvious highly coveted players) and the culmination of over paying for players in fees and wages and breaching PSR.

 

Not my fault jack attitude from our fans on one of the most important roles in our club is unhelpful. We should demand for better.

We do deserve better. I just don't get why he gets all the blame. He don't solely run the club. The financial director is as much to blame.

 

Top also needs to get his head out of his arse. Ultimately the buck stops with him.

 

But only Rudkin gets the blame. But actually we are rotten to the core. The whole operation is fvcked. Do you really think replacing Rudkin is the wonder cure?

[ealingfox]

44 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He must have been given a budget?

 

He was also probably told to do what Rodgers wanted. From what I've been told he was not a Rodgers fan. So he was taking orders from above if true.

 

End of the day he's not solely responsible for everything he gets the blame for on here. I'd like him gone but ffs this is school yard bullying in here.

 

Sorry, but the lot of being a Director is you are responsible for the work of the people below you. We all know very well he didn't type every word on every document. But the recruitment's been bad over recent years and the squad and contract management has been worse. And we're still making horrific choices in that regard.

 

This is his area, he carries the can. If he's not involved in any of it then he's not doing his job and it's an equally good reason he should be moved on.

[Claudio Fannieri]

57 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Ffs you do realise you can't force players to go. You also cant force them to sign a new contract

Again just blame Rudkin ffs. Top has the say on what we will accept. No one has a say if youri wants to run his contract down and walk.

 

 

Ffs you lot act your age. Rudkin ain't great but stuff he gets the blame for is ridiculous. A group of 12yo would be able to see its not all rudkins fault.

 

TBH if we get rid and the new guy looks on here he won't take it. Why would you knowing the fans will blame you for everything. Oh yes a really stupid pay packet.

You mean getting the blame for things that are directly in his remit? 
 

I know you can’t force players to move on, however you can be innovative and look at providing incentives to help grease the wheels or to ensure they sign an extension to their contract. 
 

for example with Youri, we could have agreed a fairly low release clause of say £15-20m with an additional incentive that he gets 10% of the fee, whilst we restrict ourselves in some way we are at least making it worthwhile for him to stay and in the same way we ensure we recover some sort of fee. A deal like that would still have seen us bank between £13.5m and £18m whilst Youri would benefit to the tune of £1.5m - £2m. 

[sylofox]

7 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Sorry, but the lot of being a Director is you are responsible for the work of the people below you. We all know very well he didn't type every word on every document. But the recruitment's been bad over recent years and the squad and contract management has been worse. And we're still making horrific choices in that regard.

 

This is his area, he carries the can. If he's not involved in any of it then he's not doing his job and it's an equally good reason he should be moved on.

Correct to a point. He can't override the financial director or the chairman.

 

So if this whole mess is his doing then Top needs to be first out the door for letting him get away with it.

[sm1]

Never seen such a morose character. Even when we're scoring goals and playing well, he's sitting next to Top looking like he's being put through torture. And when it comes to player recruitment and negotiations, I don't think Top is ordering Rudkin to pay stupid wages or not sell fringe players, that's his remit. Unfortunately even though he's had a huge role to play in our demise, he seems above all responsibility or criticism. 

[Ric Flair]

13 minutes ago, sylofox said:

We do deserve better. I just don't get why he gets all the blame. He don't solely run the club. The financial director is as much to blame.

 

Top also needs to get his head out of his arse. Ultimately the buck stops with him.

 

But only Rudkin gets the blame. But actually we are rotten to the core. The whole operation is fvcked. Do you really think replacing Rudkin is the wonder cure?

You make a good point. It isn't just him but if as some fans suspect, our owner requires a DOF to show far more business acumen as they themselves aren't football people, then replacing him with an appropriate DOF may well be a cure.

 

The Finance Department are going to engage on total transfer budget of wages, transfer fees etc. Any movement on that to cover bottom line (PSR or club agreed margin) would need to be offset by other means - revenue from success, commercial stuff or most crucial with Leicester in their failure - selling players. I'd imagine in the various yearly forecasts was to sell several players they didn't do for whatever reason.

 

The CFO ought to have made a huge song and dance about this and maybe they did? They left to join Newcastle.

[Claudio Fannieri]

51 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He must have been given a budget?

 

He was also probably told to do what Rodgers wanted. From what I've been told he was not a Rodgers fan. So he was taking orders from above if true.

 

End of the day he's not solely responsible for everything he gets the blame for on here. I'd like him gone but ffs this is school yard bullying in here.

Sorry but challenging the role and effectiveness of a man employed and very well rewarded to direct the day to day football operations of our football club, that has presided over us breaching PSR rules and on the brink of a significant points deduction before we even start the new season, is not school yard bullying. 
 

I am far from happy with many of the senior leaders of our club as they have presided over what can only be described as a complete and utter shit show these last 3/4 years, where at no point has any of them challenged the strategy or direction of travel that has contributed to us falling away from a position of strength to now a club quite likely to yo-yo or battle against relegation for a number of seasons until we can consolidate again. 
 

He, Top, Whelan and anyone else involved in this debacle should be held to account for their actions and involvement. If this was any other business that had experienced such a calamitous performance, the heads of a number of senior executives would roll. How people can defend Rudkin is absolutely beyond me. It isn’t all his fault however he carries a significant role and responsibility so therefore fully deserves to have his performance and ability to continue to undertake the role scrutinised and challenged. 

[Out Foxed]

he's a dinosaur who lucked into a role. get some younger geezer who actually understands the modern game, as shit as it is. 

 

rudkin can't negotiate a ****ing roundabout 

[sylofox]

9 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

You mean getting the blame for things that are directly in his remit? 
 

 

Explain his remit? If you can you must have written his contract.

 

Not that long ago Simon Jordan was asked to explain the job of a DoF. He explained what he would expect. Then added the job is different in practically every club. It is what the owner wants them to do.

 

None of us know exactly what his remit is we just presume what it is and expected of him.

 

Also it's not his fault players like Youri want to run down a contract. I also doubt he has the sole say when offers come in and we refuse them.

 

So anyway back to the original point.

 

Please explain his remit as fact. Not what you me or anyone else thinks it is.