They do care

[ithuriel]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

What are people thoughts on players apologising? 
 

If we do go down and then the players come out and apologise afterward, how would that sit with you? 
 

I would be fuming, and I personally wouldn’t want to hear it, if performances continue as they are with such a lack of care… I would just want them to leave and not even bother apologising, it wouldn’t feel remotely sincere. 

They, bar a couple of players, can shove their apologies where the sun does not shine.

[funkyrobot]

Our team have been out worked and out fought in multiple games this season. Effort and fight are the absolute basics of professional sport that should be prerequisite whatever the ability of the players. This would lean heavily towards the suggestion that a majority of the team have not quite cared enough. 

[leicesterseddon]

I've not really questioned the players' motivation that much this season, even when we've been awful.

 

But I went to Fulham and I have to say I was genuinely shocked.

 

After the Everton game I fully expected us to be right in their faces, chasing balls down, probably a few yellow cards. There was nothing.

[Jaspa]

Thought it was strange after the Everton game; most of the lads dropped to the floor on their haunches, their knees. It looked more like defeat than exhaustion.

 

Following that on with Fulham, we now need true inspiration.

[Workingtonfox]

I wonder if Smith shows them videos of other players losing the ball and busting a gut to get it back then shows our players losing the ball and just jogging back or sitting on their backsides waving their arms and pleading with the ref for a foul. That's one difference between us and the other teams in relegation trouble. 

Pathetic!!!

[dannythefox]

1 minute ago, Workingtonfox said:

I wonder if Smith shows them videos of other players losing the ball and busting a gut to get it back then shows our players losing the ball and just jogging back or sitting on their backsides waving their arms and pleading with the ref for a foul. That's one difference between us and the other teams in relegation trouble. 

Pathetic!!!

It’s been the case for about 12 months now. Not worked hard enough in about 30 games this season, it’s a massive issue. 

[ithuriel]

Seen us relegated before but that was with players that did not have the skill, technical ability for this level, they fought and were not good enough, that I could take.

This lot have plodded through the season bar a few games obviously thinking it could not happen until it pretty much has and now they do not have the mentality to get out of it.

Bar Vardy and perhaps Mendy and our winger shoved off on loan, Albrighton, they have no fight in them.

I actually thought they'd wake up and put the effort in 3 or 4 games ago, more fool me.

Edited 13 May 2023 by ithuriel

[Daggers]

They care like Harold Shipman.

[ithuriel]

3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

They care like Harold Shipman.

He'd dig us out of it, no skeletons in his clos...

[Nod.E]

In full agreement on the fitness point. I can only think that is attributable to Rodgers' training methods. 

 

But then we weren't relegated last season, we somehow came 8th in the end. 

 

I don't think that they couldn't care less. But could they care more? Of course they could. It's only natural for the majority that won't be here next season.

 

Put yourself in their shoes. Given the choice, of course you'd want to do a good job. You'd not want a relegation on your CV. However, ultimately there aren't hard consequences. We're only talking 5/10% reduced effort compared with our rivals, who all of a sudden are finding points out of sheer desperation.

 

Add that fitness into the equation and we look rudderless.

 

So I do agree with your main point to some extent. I don't think you can say 'they don't care' (at all), but I'm not sure that's what most people mean when they say that. 

 

Ultimately I don't think the players will hurt all that much when we do go down. It's that they don't care *enough*, but again, I'm not surprised that that's the case. 

 

The squad management allowed to transpire by a combination of Rodgers, Rudkin et al is what we should be angry about.

[gerblod]

9 hours ago, Bezzanator89 said:

TDLR: Too long, didn't read. Not exactly a compliment towards your post.

 

And what would change that? Playing better. Playing like they don't want a relegation on their career CV. That they want to avoid to seen as contributing the demise of a club that won the Premier League, FA Cup, two 5th-place finishes and a semi-final of a European competition. They will move on, yes, but the relegation will always be on their record, and will always be referred to at a later date.

Thank you for the explanation. As for the following comment, I don't post on here looking for affirmation from anyone other than those who have reached a level where they're capable of  distinguishing between argument and discussion.

As for the length being "too long - didn't read", it's a puerile insult from puerile mind.

I've outlined and detailed on several occasions why the players are no longer emotionally capable of doing what you imagine they could do. I suspect, though, that you're in the same stuck place as Mr.tldr - believing in your own anger mantra, rather than accepting that the players are doing the best they can - which  unfortunately for us all cannot match what you'd like to happen.

[Jon Bez]

On 12/05/2023 at 12:43, turkish14 said:

I look forward to the moronic “they don’t care”

brigade many of which boo’s the players on Monday followed by chants of your not fit to wear the shirt, that then left after the fourth goal went in. 

Which is of course their right. People pay their money and have the choice to express themselves. Or must they only agree with you? 

Edited 13 May 2023 by Jon Bez

[J. James]

On 12/05/2023 at 16:58, indierich06 said:

These statements would be true if their future moves were nailed on. Cags might have a pre-contract deal with Atletico, but do you not reckon in the back of Maddison's mind, he might be thinking '****ing hell, are Spurs or Newcastle really still going to take a punt on me if we go down?'

 

Jonny Evans was linked with Arsenal and Man City before West Brom got relegated - after they went down, we were the only ones in for him.

 

We keep hearing this squad is 'too good' to get relegated - if you're a scout watching our players at the minute, you'd be looking at the performances and wondering if these lads are really worth the money we'd want for them, and if there aren't better options elsewhere.

In any normal job such catastrophic failure as our whole clubs staff have shown would result in demotions and dismissals.

 

Football is not a normal job and as we've witnessed, useless fraudulent articles like our former manager are not in any way tainted by failure, simply because the media and "experts" will find good reasons why he and our frail, over rated players took us down.

They have set in stone opinions and will not allow small things like evidence and facts change their views.

Tielemans for example has been at best mediocre for most of this season, but that - and his lack of fitness and fight - will be forgotten by mid June and he will be lauded as virtually the next Iniesta!

 

Maddisons move won't be impaired in the slightest- his fee will be reduced but only because he has a year left on his contract and we will need the money - nothing to do with his part in our club's relegation.

 

Sadly people choose what they believe and ignore inconvenient facts that don't fit.

[The Doctor]

4 hours ago, Nod.E said:

.

 

Add that fitness into the equation and we look rudderless.

 

if only that were the case, we'd be in a better position 

[turkish14]

15 hours ago, Jon Bez said:

Which is of course their right. People pay their money and have the choice to express themselves. Or must they only agree with you? 

Which of course is the same fans that genuinely want us to stay up right? 
 

unsure as to walking out early, booing, jeering will help, but if you do, plus those that fo the same, maybe I’m missing something, 

[funkyrobot]

On 13/05/2023 at 17:23, ithuriel said:

Seen us relegated before but that was with players that did not have the skill, technical ability for this level, they fought and were not good enough, that I could take.

This lot have plodded through the season bar a few games obviously thinking it could not happen until it pretty much has and now they do not have the mentality to get out of it.

Bar Vardy and perhaps Mendy and our winger shoved off on loan, Albrighton, they have no fight in them.

I actually thought they'd wake up and put the effort in 3 or 4 games ago, more fool me.

Tbf I think Perez worked hard on the right as well. We got rid of the option of two honest workers in him and Albrighton on the right and replaced them with a winger Tete who isn’t ready for Premier League football in terms of the pace of the game, the energy,  or the work rate required. 

[Jon Bez]

8 hours ago, turkish14 said:

Which of course is the same fans that genuinely want us to stay up right? 
 

unsure as to walking out early, booing, jeering will help, but if you do, plus those that fo the same, maybe I’m missing something, 

Thanks for your gibberish non answer. 

[turkish14]

1 hour ago, Jon Bez said:

Thanks for your gibberish non answer. 

How is it a non answer? 
 

your saying they have a right to leave early/jeer/boo as they have paid…

 

I am asking you how is that supporting the team? 
 

I look forward to your reply….

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

How is it a non answer? 
 

your saying they have a right to leave early/jeer/boo as they have paid…

 

I am asking you how is that supporting the team? 
 

I look forward to your reply….

It isn’t supporting the team. It’s people prioritising their need to vent their frustration during a game over trying to help the team to win. It’s selfish and self-sabotaging. But some people will always choose to do that, it seems…

[turkish14]

13 hours ago, Jon Bez said:

Thanks for your gibberish non answer. 

At least I answered rather then simply putting a 😂

 

still waiting for your reply to my Q? Maybe your one of those that don’t support the team?

 

I’ll ask again…

 

it’s your right to do whatever you want as you put it, as you pay.

 

As such, how does jeering/booing/leaving early help the team? 
 

just curious to know, as if singing or clapping doesn’t work, I’ll follow the lead you (and a large majority) seem to think is okay. 

[Jon Bez]

9 hours ago, turkish14 said:

At least I answered rather then simply putting a 😂

 

still waiting for your reply to my Q? Maybe your one of those that don’t support the team?

 

I’ll ask again…

 

it’s your right to do whatever you want as you put it, as you pay.

 

As such, how does jeering/booing/leaving early help the team? 
 

just curious to know, as if singing or clapping doesn’t work, I’ll follow the lead you (and a large majority) seem to think is okay. 

I never said that it does help the team. 

[turkish14]

43 minutes ago, Jon Bez said:

I never said that it does help the team. 

And nor did I say that those fans have to do what I do.

[ARTY_FOX]

They don't give a shit at all. There is zero effort and zero accountability at this club

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

So let me get this right, Faes looks like a donkey because he is unfit ???

[turkish14]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

So let me get this right, Faes looks like a donkey because he is unfit ???

Know he’s just shit, end off.