They do care

[Dan]

They don't. Not falling for it. I'm done with defending them at all after that Fulham performance. No team who cares plays like that.

[gerblod]

10 hours ago, turkish14 said:

Yes that’s right in my opinion the players do care.

 

What professional footballer whether years or months left on their contract would want to be tarnished with relegation? Seriously? 

 

why would a player deliberately play bad, with the eyes of the football world and 29K Leicester fans (a portion with baying for their blood) plus of course the management. 
 

those players looked utterly gutted on Monday. Though I understand perspective and differing views, I’ll say anyone saying they don’t care I absolutely disagree with.

 

Why are we playing crap? 
 

it’s simple to me, we have I think the worst fitness in the league. We don’t run enough. We are not quick enough in closing down, meaning when we do “press” teams are quicker physically and mentally to beat the press. 
 

players are lacking the confidence in getting forward quickly to press because of this holding back, with the exception that I can see being Madders. How many times are we wanting players to be aggressive and press, but they don’t because they are scared to be beat and lack the fitness to sustain that.

 

Players are scared to find space, knowing if we lose the ball the opponents are quicker at exploiting our weaknesses. 
 

Because we are being pressed quickly it’s forcing mistakes from Us, we simply do not think quick enough or are brave enough to find space, to make more forward passes.

 

mistakes do not just happen, anyone involved in coaching most sports know this.

It's not fitness, but it is to do with that brain-body connection which is of paramount importance in sport - especially solo sport.

Long-distance runners aim to enter a zen state by meditation - reducing negative thinking about pain, tiredness, the opposition and the distance. They're aware that negative thoughts have a direct effect on the body and hence performance.

City players have had a season of negativity imposed on them by mismanagement. Rodgers' silly tantrum equated to an abdication of responsibility towards the players. The despondency so easily visible after games they've been supposed to win is evidence to disappointment and bewilderment that, however hard they try to win, they come off second best to teams which are, on paper, not as gifted technically. They cannot help it - it must be like swimming in treacle.

A number of fools on here have been deriding our away fans, the most loyal of loyal, for clapping off the lads. One of our posters declared that he hoped Madders would get injured so he wouldn't have to watch him in a City shirt again! Astonishing negativity by those calling themselves City supporters. These idiots think that a better performance is forthcoming by barracking the boys they believe they support and by demeaning individuals on these pages.

Every boo is a further piece of lead tied to their legs. But getting them to understand that is impossible. I suspect they live their whole lives in a state of negativity.

Edited 12 May 2023 by gerblod
Predictive texting...again.

[weller54]

36 minutes ago, Mee-9 said:

The comments this week have been laughable, Dean Smith having to tell the media that his players care.

 

How has it got to this? Players who earn dozens of thousands being questioned about whether they care.

 

They ain’t 16 year olds stacking shelves in Asda not caring if they’ve put the tinned garden peas and mushy peas in the wrong place. 
 

Pathetic. 

I honestly wouldn't trust any of them with stacking shelves correctly in Asda!.?

Ward would be dropping the tins of peas for starters!!

 

[moseeds]

4 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

Has anyone seen a single player run their legs off for 90 minutes, or showing any passion at all?  If they have I missed it.

 

That's the point the OP made. The players are not physically capable of running their legs off for 90 mins because they're were never fit enough. Thats why the run of poor form has had such a massive negative impact on focus & compusure, and really amplifying their lack of fitness

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, gerblod said:

It's not fitness, but it is to do with that brain-body connection which is of paramount importance in sport - especially solo sport.

Long-distance runners aim to enter a zen state by meditation - reducing negative thinking about pain, tiredness, the opposition and the distance. They're aware that negative thoughts have a direct effect on the body and hence performance.

I think there’s something in that but it’s not a solo sport. As a collective you can rise above the negativity within a siege mentality. So the notion of fans booing and criticising you becomes a driving factor which is discussed between team mates. 
 

There is a clear lack of conditioning (why else do we concede so many late goals in pressure situations?). 
 

There’s a similar notion what you discussed about fatigued thinking. Where it’s all well and good achieving the physical notion of an activity but when you get there, is your thinking clear enough to deliver the required result? From some of the errors we see, we are unfit on the very basic level. The concentration isn’t there on an individual or team basis. Strength and conditioning coaches aim to get their players at a level where the mental result is automatically good rather than fatigued and bad. 

Edited 12 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[weller54]

1 hour ago, turkish14 said:

Oh yes if course, those two aforementioned players were crap for us in their last season right? 😂

 

I live in a house of psychologist, so actually have a good understanding of people. I work in sports development, so fancy my views are more accurate than yours. But each to their own. 

How can your house be a psychologist?

Clever what these builders can do these days 😂

[iancognito]

I think you've mis-read the room. It's not about not caring, it's about not trying.

 

I don't doubt this lot can look gutted in front of a camera, Maddison does it quite regularly, Captain Fantastic Tielemans on the other hand is rarely seen.

 

But I see players giving the ball away - all too often this season - and then simply not even attempting to win it back or at least track back with the guy they just gave it away to. Soumare, Youri, Ndidi even KDH. All 4 have been guilty of misplacing passes and then just jogging back towards goal like they're coming back for a corner routine.

 

I've seen Sideshow Beckenbauer himself, Wout Faes, repeatedly take the ball on a mazy 40 yard dribble, get tackled and seemingly blame team mates for his decision not to pass to them instead of attempting to get the ball back. After you've been tackled high up the pitch, get your arse back into position and learn your lesson, don't keep attempting it game after game.

These players have all the talent in the world but their mistakes are frightening for top level players. The decision making is like watching 9 year olds in a school playground. Basics go out the window. And if you keep repeating those mistakes, it shows a lack of effort. To learn, to get better, to adapt.

I've got no idea how a squad - because they're all involved not just the ones on the pitch, the whole dressing room and it's culture - containing Evans, Pereira, Castagne, Tielemans, Maddison, Ndidi, Barnes, Vardy and Iheanacho can be anywhere near the trapdoor let along hanging by their finger tips. I'm sure they care, they've achieved and won things here, so you naturally care about that legacy you created. But they're strolling. They look gutted, sound gutted, but they're doing nothing to improve their situations because a month they'll mostly have new challenges and they don't want to break sweat to correct.

 

They're the football equivalent of the guy who chucks an empty drinks bottle towards a bin and watches as it misses and lands at the side. He isn't going back to pick it up because someone else will sort out his mess, it's too much effort.

[Tuna]

I can't know what the players are thinking but I'm sure no one wants a relegation on their CV.

The reality is there are an awful lot of players who will jump ship for whatever the reason in the summer.

[TeamRocket]

If they cared so much why don't they all sign new contract and maybe get us back in the the Premier league next season 

[TeamRocket]

Okay maybe not all of them but the one's that would make a difference to the team 

[filbertway]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwizu6PK_vD-AhV_i_0HHeW3B6cQ8TV6BAgIEAI&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

 

I know she knows...

[gerblod]

1 hour ago, weller54 said:

How can your house be a psychologist?

Clever what these builders can do these days 😂

Ho, ho, ho. Obvious the guy's first language isn't English, but you find some tenuous way to make a piß-poor joke out of it.

He wrote "I live in house of psychologist" not 'I live in house that is psychologist'. Obvious to anyone what he meant, bar you, apparently.

[gw_leics772]

I can see where you're coming from but for me they don't care ENOUGH and the reason I think we are dead is that we can't change that, it is a natural result of the farcical position we are at contract wise and players being frozen out. It is rank incompetence from a Rodgers on a footballing level and the club for allowing it to happen for so long. 

 

Our captain, vice captain, hell our entire leadership group are the first ones out of the door by choice, even if we stay up. The only thing they'll have have lead all season is the ****ing mass exodus. Good riddance to the ****ing lot of them. Never felt so disillusioned with them but the new manager and new squad is the closest well ever get to being able to give up on our club and start again. It's like man u to afc manchester but without having to move seats. 

Edited 13 May 2023 by gw_leics772

[gw_leics772]

11 hours ago, Guy said:

Indeed, even though Vardy has nothing left to prove any longer he is still most likely to be the most caring player left in that squad (like Kasper was before his mysterious close season departure), KDH too, Soyuncu and Nacho also I would say. Someone like Kristiansen was full of fire when we first signed him and when he first played in the FA Cup ties (albeit against lowly opposition from League Two twice in a month of course) but I think his confidence has taken a dip of late as his more "out of his depth" performances of late reflect this (ie at Fulham) - likewise KDH who was one of the best players out there for the first half of this wretched season but who I think got an injury and hasn't quite been the same combative midfielder since then.

Also I do still sometimes wonder if this malaise from the fans (ever having since won the league seven short years ago of course), has continued to seriously raise expectation levels to the extent where anything other than being in the Premier League is now deemed as being unacceptable or a failure and wiith it the ridiculing on here of people who bring a bit of reality and perspective into play by saying "we were in League One 14 years ago", etc. - while things like winning the FA Cup, as finally happened two years ago of course, were becoming increasingly more expected - even though we nearly suffered relegation the season after winning the league of course after we were sussed out a bit and effortlessly lost Kante to Chelsea of course, before controversially (but necessarily....) sacking Ranieri. I wonder would Top have done that in the way Vichai did, had Vichai not been about then? To me I am happy for Leicester to still be in the Premier League and anything else beyond that is (and always has been) a bonus to me really! Sadly I don't think this season is going to end well now but I'd love to be....wrong! 

First paragraph, brilliant. 

 

Second one, what the **** has us fans over expecting in your words, but in mine, expecting a team that qualified for Europe, won fa cup to stay up comfortably (even with say 5 games to go) which I expected as a bare minimum, got to do with such ridiculously high levels of underachievement. How did we impact that. Expect them not to be the shittest they've ever been as a squad (as in ie avoiding relegation full stop) somehow made them even worse to the point of being the shittest half season possibly in Premier league history (except say derby's abomination) and only having half a chance of staying up because the rest are nearly as shit as us (not that it looked like that last weekend) 

 

Seriously, I know I ranted but you get the point. How is that on us? I can understand those who say we didn't moan enough, but that we moaned too much?!?! 

 

Maybe an easier explanation could be, how does us expecting them to challenge for Europe tip them to relegation fodder? 

 

Please expand. 

Edited 13 May 2023 by gw_leics772

[Daggers]

They care? Yep. They care like Lucy Letby.

[gw_leics772]

8 hours ago, indierich06 said:

These statements would be true if their future moves were nailed on. Cags might have a pre-contract deal with Atletico, but do you not reckon in the back of Maddison's mind, he might be thinking '****ing hell, are Spurs or Newcastle really still going to take a punt on me if we go down?'

 

Jonny Evans was linked with Arsenal and Man City before West Brom got relegated - after they went down, we were the only ones in for him.

 

We keep hearing this squad is 'too good' to get relegated - if you're a scout watching our players at the minute, you'd be looking at the performances and wondering if these lads are really worth the money we'd want for them, and if there aren't better options elsewhere.

I would bet my house that he'll finish higher than we do in the football pyramid next season. Ditto Tielemans, Barnes, Soyuncu with the Spanish equivalent and probably half the shit players we don't think we're even good enough to play for us this season. It's a fact. And as far as Tielemans goes, he already knows he will have a choice, and the way it's going, Brentford or Brighton would be a hell of a step up from staying with us next season in the championship. So mixing this with the one earlier, Tielemans has proven that he can play shit and get his move. Not as a result of it. As a result of how he played when he did try for us. Now he doesn't have to, proven by the last 2 seasons performances and how he will ultimately be better off next season with his move. (anyone worth their salt would have carried on giving their all and had their pick of the top teams. Tielemans will never reach his original potential and this season gives me doubts about Maddison unless he gets the goose that lays the golden egg and lands a contract at man city) 

[gw_leics772]

4 hours ago, turkish14 said:

I don’t disagree 

 

but what actually happens to be up “for a “fight” as you put it? 

 

I'm assuming you mean that “will” to get stuck in, to chase the ball down, to press to find space? That’s fight right?

 

the common denominator amongst those above is to do all of that you have to have the fitness at this level to do so.

 

They look physically and mentally knackered in my opinion, they are not doing what they should be doing. I don’t believe that’s a lack of will, I believe they don’t have the acceleration, the speed or the endurance to match other teams at the minute.

Being unfit does not excuse not trying hard enough and fear of getting caught out does not mean you are giving your all for the win. 

 

I don't k ow about you but I'd r be happy to see everybody knackered by half time and having to sub the 5 least knackered, because this half arsed self preservation has so far pretty much got us relegated. 

[gw_leics772]

3 hours ago, gerblod said:

It's not fitness, but it is to do with that brain-body connection which is of paramount importance in sport - especially solo sport.

Long-distance runners aim to enter a zen state by meditation - reducing negative thinking about pain, tiredness, the opposition and the distance. They're aware that negative thoughts have a direct effect on the body and hence performance.

City players have had a season of negativity imposed on them by mismanagement. Rodgers' silly tantrum equated to an abdication of responsibility towards the players. The despondency so easily visible after games they've been supposed to win is evidence to disappointment and bewilderment that, however hard they try to win, they come off second best to teams which are, on paper, not as gifted technically. They cannot help it - it must be like swimming in treacle.

A number of fools on here have been deriding our away fans, the most loyal of loyal, for clapping off the lads. One of our posters declared that he hoped Madders would get injured so he wouldn't have to watch him in a City shirt again! Astonishing negativity by those calling themselves City supporters. These idiots think that a better performance is forthcoming by barracking the boys they believe they support and by demeaning individuals on these pages.

Every boo is a further piece of lead tied to their legs. But getting them to understand that is impossible. I suspect they live their whole lives in a state of negativity.

Tldr: bless em, they did their best, we should be ashamed of ourselves? 

[Guy]

39 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

First paragraph, brilliant. 

 

Second one, what the **** has us fans over expecting in your words, but in mine, expecting a team that qualified for Europe, won fa cup to stay up comfortably (even with say 5 games to go) which I expected as a bare minimum, got to do with such ridiculously high levels of underachievement. How did we impact that. Expect them not to be the shittest they've ever been as a squad (as in ie avoiding relegation full stop) somehow made them even worse to the point of being the shittest half season possibly in Premier league history (except say derby's abomination) and only having half a chance of staying up because the rest are nearly as shit as us (not that it looked like that last weekend) 

 

Seriously, I know I ranted but you get the point. How is that on us? I can understand those who say we didn't moan enough, but that we moaned too much?!?! 

 

Maybe an easier explanation could be, how does us expecting them to challenge for Europe tip them to relegation fodder? 

 

Please expand. 

Oh well, I'm glad you liked 50% of it! I thought the second part was more interesting myself but anyway to maybe level with you then I did hesitate about adding the second paragraph earlier as I knew it was potentially a bit thorny in parts but I was just trying to put into perspective how things have perhaps sub consciously changed re fans' expectation levels since we pulled off the most unlikeiest feat in English football history in 2016. As I said in subsequent posts to this then getting relegated with this squad (that should still be mid table on paper, given it's talent). would still obviously be a disaster but were we primed to "challenge for Europe" this season, after last - with no summer strengthening, etc? I think not! In short the team for the second half of last season and most of this has been mismanaged by Rodgers (the past 18 months), that this positon we now find ourselves in right now perhaps comes as no surprise sadly. While I suppose it is still not a decade ago that we were last in the second tier either if it does come to that so if that happens we just have to hope we can bounce back again like in the past re our 'yo yo' years of the 80s, 90s and in the early 00s. As others have also said in other posts then it all seemed to go wrong after the FA Cup triumph two years ago re the way the club seemed to rest of their laurels thereafter. Also not pushing on after the Premier League win with our hangover season to follow. Again too, then as other posters have dubbed it as, then I would also put Rodgers reign here down as the "strangest one ever" at LCFC given some of the highs and real lows encapsulated in his time here. That's all!    

Edited 13 May 2023 by Guy

[Bezzanator89]

The fans are entitled to their opinion. They pay for the matchday tickets, go all the way down to Craven Cottage, only to see one of the worst first-half performances of the season, or in recent memory.

 

They had every right to tell the players what they thought, I would have done the same. There is one thing being disappointed with a performance, there is another being angry, that is how bad they players collectively were.

 

And it's the same ol' story, waiting until the game is gone, in this case being 4-0 down, to actually take the game to Fulham, a must-win game which we lost, and we were doubly punished for it.

 

Do the players care? Probably. Are they truly putting in 100%? Or do some of them know they are moving in the summer no matter what happens so they are not willingly putting in a shift for the club? Probably. Are we better off without them? Yes.

[Vacamion]

 

The fitness issue raised by the OP is definitely part of our demise.

 

At the start of last season there was chat that KDH had gone away and worked massively on his fitness and was ripping it up in training.  He was a star last year.   This season he's been blowing out of his arse after 65 minutes every time he's played. 

 

I'll stand corrected with any stats, but Youri Tielemans doesn't look like he does as much running this season as he did in the past.

 

Soumaré runs in occasional bursts but has on a number of occasions this season jogged whilst opponents sprinted.

 

Our midfield is out of legs...

 

I agree with the OP that if you are not fit, you can't compete and then it doesn't matter how much you want to win, you will look like you just aren't trying.

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

I think they do care to a degree but reasons will differ throughout the squad, most will be personal pride/reputation, however the bigger question is how many will be truly hurting by the clubs plight and to that end I truly believe it will be a handful. 
 

The majority of the squad will be looking at the exit door and how they maximise the opportunity to secure a decent move. 
 

Even Maddison for all his talk, his main priority is protecting his own reputation, hence getting into wars of words on social media with anybody who dares to question what is happening. 
 

We had a squad of ambitious players and it’s always easy to kiss the badge when we are finishing 5th, winning FA Cups and playing in European Semi Finals, but as soon as the chips are down too many don’t want to know and start looking at the next move, rather than digging in and taking their share of responsibility for our position. 

[ARM1968]

You have to want things to achieve anything in life. You have to have that drive and passion. That just does not appear to be in the team and certainly not in our ‘Star’ players. 
 

There are a lot of reasons - Brendan and his less than adequate coaching staff. Poor purchases. Character. Even the contract situation. It’s almost like the whole club just shrugged and gave up. 
 

We aren’t done yet, but we are close to it and we need miracles now. I’ve always found that miracles are hard to come by. 

Edited 13 May 2023 by ARM1968

[turkish14]

10 hours ago, gerblod said:

It's not fitness, but it is to do with that brain-body connection which is of paramount importance in sport - especially solo sport.

Long-distance runners aim to enter a zen state by meditation - reducing negative thinking about pain, tiredness, the opposition and the distance. They're aware that negative thoughts have a direct effect on the body and hence performance.

City players have had a season of negativity imposed on them by mismanagement. Rodgers' silly tantrum equated to an abdication of responsibility towards the players. The despondency so easily visible after games they've been supposed to win is evidence to disappointment and bewilderment that, however hard they try to win, they come off second best to teams which are, on paper, not as gifted technically. They cannot help it - it must be like swimming in treacle.

A number of fools on here have been deriding our away fans, the most loyal of loyal, for clapping off the lads. One of our posters declared that he hoped Madders would get injured so he wouldn't have to watch him in a City shirt again! Astonishing negativity by those calling themselves City supporters. These idiots think that a better performance is forthcoming by barracking the boys they believe they support and by demeaning individuals on these pages.

Every boo is a further piece of lead tied to their legs. But getting them to understand that is impossible. I suspect they live their whole lives in a state of negativity.

Your in the minority of fans that I feel gets it, and you e actually worded it better then my opening post. Agree absolutely 👌

Edited 13 May 2023 by turkish14

[turkish14]

10 hours ago, weller54 said:

How can your house be a psychologist?

Clever what these builders can do these days 😂

You just being pedantic 😂 you know what was meant, you’ve just made yourself look silly.