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How to get promoted

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If I were manager, I'd task some of the analyst staff for a few in depth  case studies of teams have done it of late. How Burnley approached it. How Benitez did with Newcastle. How Wolves walked the league. How Farke did it with Norwich twice. There must be some patterns..

 

The nearest parallel to this season from our own history I reckon  was our campaign under Mickey Adams 20 years ago. We had some proper streetwise PL players we couldn't move on due to huge wages and we kinda got promoted on stealth. Tactics were basic but the structure was enough for the players to overwhelm most teams. Deane, Elliott, Frank, Scowcroft and Big Trev all just too physically strong. Dickov, Muzz and Impey all had a bit too much cleverness. It was a formula good enough to steam roller the division, second to Portsmouth (who were the real talent of that season) but miles ahead of third 

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2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

If I were manager, I'd task some of the analyst staff for a few in depth  case studies of teams have done it of late. How Burnley approached it. How Benitez did with Newcastle. How Wolves walked the league. How Farke did it with Norwich twice. There must be some patterns..

 

The nearest parallel to this season from our own history I reckon  was our campaign under Mickey Adams 20 years ago. We had some proper streetwise PL players we couldn't move on due to huge wages and we kinda got promoted on stealth. Tactics were basic but the structure was enough for the players to overwhelm most teams. Deane, Elliott, Frank, Scowcroft and Big Trev all just too physically strong. Dickov, Muzz and Impey all had a bit too much cleverness. It was a formula good enough to steam roller the division, second to Portsmouth (who were the real talent of that season) but miles ahead of third 

Obviously the approach for promotion comes first but you also need to be forward looking to some extent to give you the best chance of staying up once you get there. Adams may have steamrollereds up but we then got relegated straight back down.

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13 minutes ago, davieG said:

Obviously the approach for promotion comes first but you also need to be forward looking to some extent to give you the best chance of staying up once you get there. Adams may have steamrollereds up but we then got relegated straight back down.

True. In fairness to Micky Adams, he played the hand he'd been dealt. He had decent players and zero budget for any long term planning 

 

Didn't Summerbee and McKinley play for free all season and got a bonus for promotion?  That's pretty decent management to persuade them to do that.

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PAPA LAZAROU

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15 minutes ago, davieG said:

Obviously the approach for promotion comes first but you also need to be forward looking to some extent to give you the best chance of staying up once you get there. Adams may have steamrollereds up but we then got relegated straight back down.

Agreed. To be fair to Adams he never got the financial backup to stay in the prem so we will never know if he could have been a great manager with the right players at his disposal.

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4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

True. In fairness to Micky Adams, he played the hand he'd been dealt. He had decent players and zero budget for any long term planning 

 

Didn't Summerbee and McKinley play for free all season and got a bonus for promotion?  That's pretty decent management to persuade them to do that.

 

1 minute ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Agreed. To be fair to Adams he never got the financial backup to stay in the prem so we will never know if he could have been a great manager with the right players at his disposal.

Agree re Mickey Adams he had a real bum deal.

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2 hours ago, Gav_LCFC14 said:

Score more goals than the opposition 

As long as you don't concede more than the opposition, you had to go up to 10th place last season for a team that scored more than us didn't help though as we conceded the 4th= most.

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3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

If I were manager, I'd task some of the analyst staff for a few in depth  case studies of teams have done it of late. How Burnley approached it. How Benitez did with Newcastle. How Wolves walked the league. How Farke did it with Norwich twice. There must be some patterns..

 

The nearest parallel to this season from our own history I reckon  was our campaign under Mickey Adams 20 years ago. We had some proper streetwise PL players we couldn't move on due to huge wages and we kinda got promoted on stealth. Tactics were basic but the structure was enough for the players to overwhelm most teams. Deane, Elliott, Frank, Scowcroft and Big Trev all just too physically strong. Dickov, Muzz and Impey all had a bit too much cleverness. It was a formula good enough to steam roller the division, second to Portsmouth (who were the real talent of that season) but miles ahead of third 

Always remember Micky Adams rubbing Neil Warnock's nose in it that season by saying even if we'd been deducted points for going into administration that season that we'd still have finished second above Sheffield United, priceless! - ironically at the price of Adams's boyhood club!

 

As for your point then I suppose some would reference the last time we got promoted as Champions under Pearson as being a useful recent guide as to how to go about going up at the first attempt. We perhaps haven't got the players to get 100+ points this season as we did in 2014 but the squad is bulding shape nicely. 

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3 hours ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Agreed. To be fair to Adams he never got the financial backup to stay in the prem so we will never know if he could have been a great manager with the right players at his disposal.

I thought we were unlucky to get relegated that season after some great wins against the likes of Leeds, Man. City and others. Our tendency that season was to shoot ourselves in the foot though by throwing away big two or three goal leads to end up drawing or .... losing! That is what ultimately got us relegated sadly, albeit narrowly. As one poster said it's ok scoring plenty but you've got to try to keep the back door shut whilst doing so for the whole game!

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3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

True. In fairness to Micky Adams, he played the hand he'd been dealt. He had decent players and zero budget for any long term planning 

 

Didn't Summerbee and McKinley play for free all season and got a bonus for promotion?  That's pretty decent management to persuade them to do that.

My memory is they allegedly played for free for 1 or 2 games at the start of the season on a “2 week trial” before signing on a one-year deal. They certainly didn’t play for free all season else they’d have just found another club, they had to make a living like anyone.

 

It’d be illegal to not to pay someone working for you for a year. The free trial was iffy enough in complying with labour laws as it was.
 

Nowadays I’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to play trialists in competitive matches so you probably couldn’t do it now. 

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I saw something a while back arguing that what a side does before promotion in the Championship has a greater impact on how they fare in the top flight than what they do afterwards. I can't remember which cases they cited, but it got my attention on the one hand because we'd seen something like this in our own recent history, where second tier building was exceptionally crucial to top flight success; and on the other hand because you'd have thought this part of the process was secondary to the post-promotion rebuild. But it would be interesting to look at patterns of activity by clubs that succeed in going up, and how different strategies correspond with long-term outcomes. Especially for clubs that bounce back. E.g., what were Fulham and Newcastle doing in the FLC that Norwich and West Brom and whoever else weren't? It's also interesting that we probably need to jump the gun a bit, and be thinking now about what happens if everything goes swimmingly this season. We can't wind the clock back to 2003 and worry about promotion and promotion alone.

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