Vestergaard

[Aus Fox]

6 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Pretty much revisionist history to call his Championship season "OK". He was absolutely integral to Enzo's scheme and the performance perceptibly dipped when he wasn't playing. Obviously that's because he could thrive in a situation where we dominated possession and his main role was to be a deep-lying playmaker, and not defending, and that will never happen in the PL. But that doesn't diminish his 23-24 season in the slightest.

I can’t agree with this, his defending was woeful, we conceded on average 1 per game, and id say most games a striker missed a sitter or Mads made a worldie of a save.

Id say if you watch the games back, the fact we were winning games and crap Championships strikers let him off the hook.

Yes he could pass a ball, but let’s not let that gloss over the shit show at the back. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

17 hours ago, john ridley said:

To be honest we're  full of our worst ever signings at the minute  ,it's hard to find good value. 

FM if it were an award of worst singing you'd have to have cameras on a multitude of contenders - A huge auditorium would be required. 

[SK3Blue]

Vestergaard pictured at Seagrave waiting for the player liaison to return his dog. 

[An Away Move]

9 hours ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Let's be honest, with the system that Cooper & Ruud are so adamant to play none of our defenders are going to be good enough at this level. Granted the opposition was of a lesser standard last year, but we played with our left back (Doyle or Justin) as a 3rd centre back who rarely crosses the half way, allowing some cover for Faes and Vestergaard. Now we have Kristiansen who just bombs forward like a headless chicken and has no positional sense, evident for West Hams 1st, Arsenals 2nd, Brentfords 2nd goals just in the last 3 weeks.

 

All 4 centre halves have glaring weaknesses at this level, and none are good enough to play in a pair, particularly with our full backs lack of any cover, which is why I'm bemused at successive managers not adopting a back 3/5, particularly when we are rolling out Ayew and Reid as our wide options. 

 

Both Coady with Wolves and Vestergaard with Denmark have proved they can play in a back 3 competently enough, just bizarre that our coaching staff can't see what we see from the stands given they analyse every goal and surely see recurring patterns.

Managers of today seem to be all about the ‘philosophy’ or ‘the idea’. It’s very vain and in fashion. Meanwhile Real Madrid put their best players in their best positions, in general, and play to everyone’s strengths. We should try it!

[FosseSpark]

Even when we were top of champo and passing brilliantly, I said along with loads of others that it was totally false as Vestergaard, Faes, Coady, Justin, Winks, Ndidi, KDH, Daka etc had all been proven to be low quality or waning premier league players and so we would need a total rebuild when securing promotion. If you add Vardy at 38, A waning Ayew and BDR, an injury to Hermansen/Ricardo/Fatawu and a waste of money on Skipp and you have a much worse squad than was relegated the previous time.

Maybe its PSR exacerbating the issue, but its still a club asleep at the wheel or without the imagination or work ethic to unearth gems that can make a surprise package.

[Fox92]

10 hours ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Let's be honest, with the system that Cooper & Ruud are so adamant to play none of our defenders are going to be good enough at this level. Granted the opposition was of a lesser standard last year, but we played with our left back (Doyle or Justin) as a 3rd centre back who rarely crosses the half way, allowing some cover for Faes and Vestergaard. Now we have Kristiansen who just bombs forward like a headless chicken and has no positional sense, evident for West Hams 1st, Arsenals 2nd, Brentfords 2nd goals just in the last 3 weeks.

 

All 4 centre halves have glaring weaknesses at this level, and none are good enough to play in a pair, particularly with our full backs lack of any cover, which is why I'm bemused at successive managers not adopting a back 3/5, particularly when we are rolling out Ayew and Reid as our wide options. 

 

Both Coady with Wolves and Vestergaard with Denmark have proved they can play in a back 3 competently enough, just bizarre that our coaching staff can't see what we see from the stands given they analyse every goal and surely see recurring patterns.

Nothing to do with "systems" and formations. Vestergaard is just not good enough. Even in his most suited formation what he would bring to the team? He's slow, he can't run, for his height he's terrible in the air, he is weak and gets knocked off the ball with ease. He's terrible and clearly a knob as well.

 

We're talking about a top flight footballer here. A player that has cost us £15m plus lots in wages. If he is unable to play in a particular formation then he should be moved on. A manager must pick players for a formation, not pick a formation built for specific players.

Edited 3 March by Fox92

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Nothing to do with "systems" and formations. Vestergaard is just not good enough. Even in his most suited formation what he would bring to the team? He's slow, he can't run, for his height he's terrible in the air, he is weak and gets knocked off the ball with ease. He's terrible and clearly a knob as well.

 

We're talking about a top flight footballer here. A player that has cost us £15m plus lots in wages. If he is unable to play in a particular formation then he should be moved on. A manager must pick players for a formation, not pick a formation built for specific players.

Think you've missed my point, literally none of our defenders are suited to the formation we are currently playing.

 

Vestergaard is slow, not great (but not as bad as people make out) in the air. Good passer of the ball and reads the game okay

 

Faes is a bombscare, positionally terrible, average on the ball but can carry it from the back and when he wants to throws himself in front of a shot.

 

Coady is as slow as Vestergaard, not as good on the ball, decent reader of the game and organiser.

 

Okoli is worse than Amartey with the ball at his feet, slow of thought, not great in the air. Is strong and physical.

 

Find me a combination amongst those 4 players that can play in a pair, with Justin who has had the worse season I have seen from a Leicester player and Kristiansen who is also dog muck. Great escape team had players with flaws at the back, but when we switched to a 3 at the back for the run in we looked much more solid. 

 

He played for Southampton who finished lower mid table for years whilst he was there, has 50 caps for Denmark who are in the top 10/15 sides in the world, as well as doing okay in Germany. His fee is largely irrelevant, was paid in haste when Fofana got injured, and if Rudkin is daft enough to pay him 70k a week then that's on the club.

 

To a man our defence is crap, but the style of play adopted by the manager makes them all look worse. 

[CosbehFox]

6 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

This seems to get overlooked sometimes. We conceded a lot of goals for a team that won the division. By Championship standards our defence was ok, not great, and was considerably poorer than the one we’d been relegated with the previous season. Our failure to improve the defence last summer is the main reason we’re going down. 

Yep. Think back to that spell from February onwards, we kept 3 clean sheets out of the last 14 games. 

[BKLFox]

19 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Yep. Think back to that spell from February onwards, we kept 3 clean sheets out of the last 14 games. 

Where as Burnley have not conceded since Xmas that’s 12 games with 2x 22yr olds forming their CB pairing.

Rest of that defence has a 22yr old keeper, 21yr LB and for a bit experience a 29yr old RB

 

They have only conceded 9 goals in 38 games & only lost twice, to many draws keeping them behind SU & Leeds but that much mocked Scott Parker certainly has them being the most rounded team in the division and on paper probably the best suited to stay up out of those 3.

 

 

 

Edited 3 March by BKLFox

[CosbehFox]

I'll be honest 'the performances' at both Bristol City and Plymouth hold in my head. I left Home Park thinking I hate this squad more than is really healthy and more than any other. I was at Fratton Park for 6-1. Seem a good bookend at the start and end of the good will to King Power 

[nettle]

I personally don't rate the guy but he had a decent season in the championship whilst we were dominating possession but he certainly can't play in the  premier league in a back 4 with his lack of pace. The only way to get the best out of him or Coady is in a back 3 with pace around them but Id like to think the manager or coaches  might notice this and at least give it a go.

[john ridley]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

Where as Burnley have not conceded since Xmas that’s 12 games with 2x 22yr olds forming their CB pairing.

Rest of that defence has a 22yr old keeper, 21yr LB and for a bit experience a 29yr old RB

 

They have only conceded 9 goals in 38 games & only lost twice, to many draws keeping them behind SU & Leeds but that much mocked Scott Parker certainly has them being the most rounded team in the division and on paper probably the best suited to stay up out of those 3.

 

 

 

The same Scott Parker deemed  not good enough for  us .

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, john ridley said:

The same Scott Parker deemed  not good enough for  us .

Well, Enzo was just seen as better. And this time we were right.

[foxinsocks]

Given his wages can't he sort his own

Dog minder out?

[john ridley]

28 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Well, Enzo was just seen as better. And this time we were right.

Yes I agree ,but maybe over the long term ?can't lie ,I didn't want him either Hindsights a wonderful thing .

[Deeg67]

11 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Where as Burnley have not conceded since Xmas that’s 12 games with 2x 22yr olds forming their CB pairing.

Rest of that defence has a 22yr old keeper, 21yr LB and for a bit experience a 29yr old RB

 

They have only conceded 9 goals in 38 games & only lost twice, to many draws keeping them behind SU & Leeds but that much mocked Scott Parker certainly has them being the most rounded team in the division and on paper probably the best suited to stay up out of those 3.

 

 

 

I don't know how well-rounded Burnley is. They're in a 3-way tie for 9th in the Championship in goals. They basically do one thing well - prevent goals - albeit they do it extremely well. That makes them the opposite of well-rounded if anything, pretty much a one-trick pony.

[blaaklint]

12 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

I don't know how well-rounded Burnley is. They're in a 3-way tie for 9th in the Championship in goals. They basically do one thing well - prevent goals - albeit they do it extremely well. That makes them the opposite of well-rounded if anything, pretty much a one-trick pony.

interestingly, their xga is worse than leeds - but burnley have an excellent keeper (and have gotten quite lucky), whereas leeds have meslier (who is decidedly meh)

[FosseSpark]

6 hours ago, blaaklint said:

interestingly, their xga is worse than leeds - but burnley have an excellent keeper (and have gotten quite lucky), whereas leeds have meslier (who is decidedly meh)

Meh-slier

[blue army 1988]

18 hours ago, john ridley said:

The same Scott Parker deemed  not good enough for  us .

And this is classic foxes talk.

He's had one good season in a lower league than ourselves. Everywhere else he's been really poor.

 

By that logic I'm guessing your pleased Vestergard was given a new contract after a good season in the Championship? He was good enough for us in the Championship.

[LCFCJohn]

21 hours ago, blue army 1988 said:

And this is classic foxes talk.

He's had one good season in a lower league than ourselves. Everywhere else he's been really poor.

 

By that logic I'm guessing your pleased Vestergard was given a new contract after a good season in the Championship? He was good enough for us in the Championship.

I’m not saying I want Parker here but he has already got two promotions from the Championship with Fulham and Bournemouth so I think you are doing him a disservice here.

 

He may have not proven he can yet cut it at Premier League level but he is clearly good at what he does. He also relatively young at 44 In management terms.

 

Very different to Vestergaard who always has been and will continue to be, a busted flush.

[jimmer]

Just listened back to Ruuds interview after the match and he said Vestagaard was left out of the squad for footballing reasons, hes not injured.

 

Assuming because he stank the place out over the last few games... or has there been a fall out?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Tear his contract up and get rid of Vestadog in the summer 

[dannythefox]

How come every manager has a problem with him? It’s him isn’t it. Well done Leicester for awarding him with another 3yr deal, top work from JR again. Get him gone 

[Nolucklcfc]

Bad egg, get rid asap. Oh wait, did we give him a 3 deal? Bloody Rudkin 

[Vazman]

Vesty sums up everything that is wrong with the club:

 

1. Shit player.

2. Too long a contract 

3. Wages too high for his quality, or lack off.

4. He was the easy, lazy option to extend his contract on stupid wages as such we are stuck with him.

5. Happy too put in sub par performances, doesn't care about the club.

6. Thinks he is better than he is, and probably hates to be told he isn't.

7. Can't defend, can't run, can't head a ball, falls over when someone half his size bumps into him etc etc.

8. We are stuck with him as no one is going too look twice at him absoloutley no way anyone is paying him what he is on here, (Insert numerous players from the squad alongside this sentence).

9. But he will be OK ish in the Championship wooopppeee awful decision to give him another contract post promotion to the Prem