CosbehFox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66851790 19th September - Avanti West Coast (and Crosscountry) awarded extensions to their railway franchises https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67257969 30th October - Avanti West Coast announce emergency timetable on London to Manchester, a reduction of 40% on a line which suffers badly from passenger congestion. 1
Daggers Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 But by bit they’re all going to lose their cash cows, Labour will renationalise. 1
filthyfox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 1 minute ago, Daggers said: But by bit they’re all going to lose their cash cows, Labour will renationalise. Let's hope so. The trains are an absolute STATE right now 2
st albans fox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 Can we discuss the merits of our midfielders social media posts in here ? I appreciate why it’s been taken down on the Lcfc page I would think we can have a reasoned debate/discussion about whether players should be allowed to voice their politics etc
westernpark Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Can we discuss the merits of our midfielders social media posts in here ? I appreciate why it’s been taken down on the Lcfc page I would think we can have a reasoned debate/discussion about whether players should be allowed to voice their politics etc Players should be allowed to post or like what they want, as long as it doesn’t justify terrorism, the erasure of a state, isn’t homophobic, racist or sexist. It’s not difficult. 1
filthyfox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Can we discuss the merits of our midfielders social media posts in here ? I appreciate why it’s been taken down on the Lcfc page I would think we can have a reasoned debate/discussion about whether players should be allowed to voice their politics etc What was said? By whom? Edited 30 October 2023 by filthyfox Demonstrating correct use of grammar
bovril Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 Horror after horror coming out of Israel and Palestine. That's on top of what's happening in Ukraine. And videos of Jews being hunted down in the Caucasus. Don't think I've ever been more pessimistic and depressed.
Mickyblueeyes Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 Not going to even start to get into the chant, it’s purpose/interpretation etc. it’s too long and my head hurts this afternoon. Hamza, however is a professional footballer. My opinion, he should (just like any other professional) be able to profess support for whatever he feels like. However, the use of that slogan, given the debate around it and the risk of hurt it could cause, should never be used be someone in his position. There are plenty of ways to show support with out it. When it was said by the Israeli ambassador (without any recourse) it was sickening (but she’s another right wing sicko who advocates for destruction and our politicians shake her hand 🤦♂️)and even more so when she faced no reprimand. That disgust, given the emotion it causes should apply equally to the other side given the influence. Bad move. Agent should be all over it. He isn’t the right person for the debate nor is he adding value to his position in using it. The debate around the use of the term should very much continue though. 1
Lionator Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 15 minutes ago, bovril said: so is anyone going to say what he said? He said "from the river to the sea"* which is a quote associated with Palestinian freedom, however it is also used in some contexts as a call to arms to erase the state of Israel. At best it indicates a one-state Palestinian solution to the issue, which is obviously not great as the two-state solution is UN approved and is obviously the most likely way to peace. *I do not agree with the quote.
Popular Post Zear0 Posted 30 October 2023 Popular Post Posted 30 October 2023 17 minutes ago, bovril said: so is anyone going to say what he said? "I miss Brendan" 5
bovril Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 8 minutes ago, Lionator said: He said "from the river to the sea"* which is a quote associated with Palestinian freedom, however it is also used in some contexts as a call to arms to erase the state of Israel. At best it indicates a one-state Palestinian solution to the issue, which is obviously not great as the two-state solution is UN approved and is obviously the most likely way to peace. *I do not agree with the quote. Had a feeling it was that. Seen and heard it quite a lot recently. For what it's worth I think a lot of people use it without really understanding what it implies. 1
bovril Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 10 minutes ago, Zear0 said: "I miss Brendan" Disgusting and offensive
Lionator Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 5 minutes ago, bovril said: Disgusting and offensive Should be a life ban.
Lionator Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 6 minutes ago, bovril said: Had a feeling it was that. Seen and heard it quite a lot recently. For what it's worth I think a lot of people use it without really understanding what it implies. Yes basically, the classic case of do your research before saying it.
st albans fox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 Good to see his apology has he deleted his original river/sea message ? has he also unliked his like of a post from 7 October ‘celebrating’ the Hamas attacks ?? if the answer is no then his apology is vacuous
StanSP Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 23 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Good to see his apology has he deleted his original river/sea message ? has he also unliked his like of a post from 7 October ‘celebrating’ the Hamas attacks ?? if the answer is no then his apology is vacuous Don't think he's deleted his tweet.
st albans fox Posted 30 October 2023 Posted 30 October 2023 21 minutes ago, StanSP said: Don't think he's deleted his tweet. Which will probably mean the fa will bring a charge we can debate whether us fans we are ok about him missing games on the basis of his principles - suspect the club will be less understanding would assume someone is supposed to monitor player’s SM posts in order to head off trouble before it takes hold - they’re either on holiday or as ignorant as hamza will claim to be !
Sly Posted 31 October 2023 Posted 31 October 2023 6 hours ago, st albans fox said: Which will probably mean the fa will bring a charge we can debate whether us fans we are ok about him missing games on the basis of his principles - suspect the club will be less understanding would assume someone is supposed to monitor player’s SM posts in order to head off trouble before it takes hold - they’re either on holiday or as ignorant as hamza will claim to be ! The tweet is still active, if you go on the application formerly known as Twitter, you will find it quite easily, as people are replying with somewhat angry remarks. Even more bizarre that his apology on iPhone notes is just above it. Whichever way you want to cut it, he’s a professional and will most likely have clauses within his contract and also sponsors like Adidas, on how he interacts with the public, use of social media etc, whatever your opinion on a controversial subject is, If we, or the FA don’t act, can you imagine how it looks if our sponsors respond?
Lionator Posted 31 October 2023 Posted 31 October 2023 (edited) It’s interesting in the ‘free speech’ debate because ultimately the ones who often cry about free speech aka Laurence Fox are the ones now calling for Hamza to be lynched. I don’t think he is wise to tweet this, and I have my doubts as to what his actual opinions are but I’m not sure he should be charged? It’s a dangerous precedent. Edited 31 October 2023 by Lionator
hejammy Posted 31 October 2023 Posted 31 October 2023 https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-conservative-mp-paul-bristow-sacked-from-government-post-after-calling-for-gaza-ceasefire-12996701 There seems to be double standards across all platforms, from the government to this very forum......
st albans fox Posted 31 October 2023 Posted 31 October 2023 55 minutes ago, hejammy said: https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-conservative-mp-paul-bristow-sacked-from-government-post-after-calling-for-gaza-ceasefire-12996701 There seems to be double standards across all platforms, from the government to this very forum...... govt are entitled to do as they wish within their structure- this is apparently collective responsibility- they should all toe the line in public. That’s not unreasonable but in situations like this it exposes individuals who are already panicking about losing their seats in a year. no one disputes hamza’s right to support the Palestinian cause - the point here is very straightforward. He can go on SM and express his support for that without using a term that he knows is very questionable and in some western countries considered ‘hate speech’. No one is being ‘shut down’ if they choose their words carefully. It’s that type of situation. and again - not removing his like of a post ‘lauding’ 7 October could reveal his real thoughts and I for one do not want to see someone of that mindset play for my club again. I would like to believe that he did that whilst very little was known about was was happening on that day. He needs to come clean on that imo. 1
Lionator Posted 31 October 2023 Posted 31 October 2023 We have 1 million kids living in destitution in the UK and all these left wing ‘empaths’ care about is Palestine, where they can have zero influence. The left is silly. 1
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