Lionator Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 4 hours ago, foxile5 said: Hopefully there's some good come out the Iranian President's demise and the incoming fella de-escalates things? Sadly very unlikely. The only chance that happens is a Saudi situation where a new ayotalloh comes in and liberalises society (for their standards).
Free Falling Foxes Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 1 hour ago, Bellend Sebastian said: No, it doesn't imply that it was deliberate - it's when an aircraft is not out of control, and hits the ground because those flying it weren't aware of the danger until it was too late to do anything about it, or at all. I'm too lazy to look to see if there's any data on this but before the days of GPS and other navigation aids it was a really common cause of accidents as it was difficult to pinpoint your location if visibility was less than perfect I stand corrected. Also, I may now know why I failed my AAIB entrance exam.
st albans fox Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 35 minutes ago, MPH said: I do agree - timing isnt good.. makes me suspicious too... im assuming the helicopter had a black box so they'll study that. I know people are saying it was the weather and that's what the Iranians are saying too... but he was supposedly in a convoy of 3 helicopters... yet the other two didn't crash Just a few too many unanswered questions , for me.. Not a very large selection I’d say you needed more than ten to be at all slightly suspicious
MPH Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 2 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Not a very large selection I’d say you needed more than ten to be at all slightly suspicious The big one will be the black box. if indeed it was foggy, they will be the only ones that could identify an explosion and it would only be detected by the black box.. ( other copters couldn't have seen the missle trail due to fog) but if the black box is more like " dum de dum de dum. flying flying flying. lots of fog" ahhh a mountain" then that would be conclusive proof...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 4 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Sent from my iPhon NO ****ING WAY! This is incredible! Deserves its own thread. Right, no need for work today, rest of the afternoon must be spent finding more emails. Sent from my iPhone.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 20 May 2024 Author Posted 20 May 2024 20 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: He is my dad also No wonder he wants to kill Sikhs! 1
st albans fox Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 (edited) The ICC warrants (they aren’t arrest warrants yet) are quite interesting. Israel is not a signatory. Palestine is a signatory. (Despite not being a state). Both netenyahu/ gallant and the Hamas leaders are obviously incredulous. From what I’ve read, the charges against the Israelis are more to do with the collective punishment angle of the denial of basic human rights to the civilian population. (Water, food, electricity) . The charges against Hamas are more related to murder, rape and kidnap. I am thinking that it’s possible the court rejects the Israeli warrants being issued on legal basis. they could also do the same with the Hamas ones on the basis that they shouldn’t be a signatory to the ICC as they aren’t a state. it all looks as much politics as anything else. And the war rolls on. As mentioned earlier, these actions would seem more likely to extend it. Edited 20 May 2024 by st albans fox
WigstonWanderer Posted 20 May 2024 Posted 20 May 2024 Good riddance https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/20/people-are-in-no-mood-to-mourn-mixed-reactions-in-tehran-after-death-of-president-ebrahim-raisi
st albans fox Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said: Good riddance https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/20/people-are-in-no-mood-to-mourn-mixed-reactions-in-tehran-after-death-of-president-ebrahim-raisi I note the EU and usa offered its deepest sympathies and the Un sec council stood for a minutes silence. Diplomatically the UN thing would be tricky to get through but were the public declarations necessary? Edited 21 May 2024 by st albans fox
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: I note the EU and usa offered its deepest sympathies and the Un sec council stood for a minutes silence. Diplomatically the UN thing would be tricky to get through but were the public declarations necessary? The U.S offered its condolences in the same breath as saying he had blood on his hands. They probably felt obligated to do so as he was technically a democratically elected leader?
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 That has to be some pretty severe air turbulence... One person has died and several others injured on a Singapore Airlines flight from London that was hit by severe turbulence. The Singapore-bound Boeing 777-300ER was diverted to Bangkok and landed at 15:45 local (08:45 GMT). Flight tracking data suggests the airliner dropped 6,000 feet (2,000m) in a matter of minutes after crossing the Bay of Bengal. Flight SQ 321 was carrying a total of 211 passengers and 18 crew, the airline said in a statement. "Singapore Airlines offers its deepest condolences to the family of the deceased," it said. The airline added that it was working with Thai authorities to provide medical assistance to passengers, and was sending a team to Bangkok to provide any additional help needed. Thai authorities have despatched ambulances and emergency teams to Suvarnabhumi Airport. Singapore's Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat said the government would provide assistance to the passengers and their families. "I am deeply saddened to learn about the incident onboard Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 from London Heathrow to Singapore," he posted in a statement on Facebook. Flight turbulence increasing as planet heats up - study What happened on board the flight is still unclear. One passenger told Reuters news agency that the aircraft suddenly started "tilting up and there was shaking". "So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling," 28-year-old student Dzafran Azmir said. "Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it." Turbulence is most commonly caused by aircraft flying through cloud but there is also "clear air" turbulence which is not visible on a jet's weather radar nor is it possible to predict. “Injuries from severe turbulence are relatively rare in the context of millions of flights operated. "However, severe turbulence can be dramatic and lead to severe injuries or sadly in this case a fatality," aviation expert John Strickland told the BBC. Flight crews are also trained in how to respond to turbulence, he added. "It is not for nothing that airlines recommend keeping seat belts loosely fastened throughout a flight be it long or short," he added. Research has shown that climate change will make severe turbulence more likely in the future. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8889d7x8j4o
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Trumpet Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 49 minutes ago, MPH said: That has to be some pretty severe air turbulence... One person has died and several others injured on a Singapore Airlines flight from London that was hit by severe turbulence. The Singapore-bound Boeing 777-300ER was diverted to Bangkok and landed at 15:45 local (08:45 GMT). Flight tracking data suggests the airliner dropped 6,000 feet (2,000m) in a matter of minutes after crossing the Bay of Bengal. Flight SQ 321 was carrying a total of 211 passengers and 18 crew, the airline said in a statement. "Singapore Airlines offers its deepest condolences to the family of the deceased," it said. The airline added that it was working with Thai authorities to provide medical assistance to passengers, and was sending a team to Bangkok to provide any additional help needed. Thai authorities have despatched ambulances and emergency teams to Suvarnabhumi Airport. Singapore's Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat said the government would provide assistance to the passengers and their families. "I am deeply saddened to learn about the incident onboard Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 from London Heathrow to Singapore," he posted in a statement on Facebook. Flight turbulence increasing as planet heats up - study What happened on board the flight is still unclear. One passenger told Reuters news agency that the aircraft suddenly started "tilting up and there was shaking". "So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling," 28-year-old student Dzafran Azmir said. "Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it." Turbulence is most commonly caused by aircraft flying through cloud but there is also "clear air" turbulence which is not visible on a jet's weather radar nor is it possible to predict. “Injuries from severe turbulence are relatively rare in the context of millions of flights operated. "However, severe turbulence can be dramatic and lead to severe injuries or sadly in this case a fatality," aviation expert John Strickland told the BBC. Flight crews are also trained in how to respond to turbulence, he added. "It is not for nothing that airlines recommend keeping seat belts loosely fastened throughout a flight be it long or short," he added. Research has shown that climate change will make severe turbulence more likely in the future. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8889d7x8j4o A combination of severe turbulence and bad luck I’d guess. But you tip the odds in favour of injury by not wearing a seatbelt when seated, which I assume is the case here. Always wear a seatbelt.
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 4 minutes ago, Trumpet said: A combination of severe turbulence and bad luck I’d guess. But you tip the odds in favour of injury by not wearing a seatbelt when seated, which I assume is the case here. Always wear a seatbelt. yeah i get the advice but thats like a 14 hr flight... i don't know many people who would wear a seatbelt for the whole of the 14 hrs..
Trumpet Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 3 minutes ago, MPH said: yeah i get the advice but thats like a 14 hr flight... i don't know many people who would wear a seatbelt for the whole of the 14 hrs.. Wear it when seated. It hasn’t got to be tight, it just ensures if the plane drops, you largely stay in your seat and not hurtling into the overheads. 2
FoxesDeb Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 22 minutes ago, MPH said: yeah i get the advice but thats like a 14 hr flight... i don't know many people who would wear a seatbelt for the whole of the 14 hrs.. Apart from getting up out of the seat I don't understand why people wouldn't wear them, if I'm in my seat my seat belt is aways on, even if it's loosely.
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 Just now, FoxesDeb said: Apart from getting up out of the seat I don't understand why people wouldn't wear them, if I'm in my seat my seat belt is aways on, even if it's loosely. I have 3 wiggly little kids im always bending down, getting stuff, wiping something cleaning something feeding one of them, ect.. im rarely still when on a plane
Free Falling Foxes Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 1 hour ago, MPH said: That has to be some pretty severe air turbulence... One person has died and several others injured on a Singapore Airlines flight from London that was hit by severe turbulence. The Singapore-bound Boeing 777-300ER was diverted to Bangkok and landed at 15:45 local (08:45 GMT). Flight tracking data suggests the airliner dropped 6,000 feet (2,000m) in a matter of minutes after crossing the Bay of Bengal. Flight SQ 321 was carrying a total of 211 passengers and 18 crew, the airline said in a statement. "Singapore Airlines offers its deepest condolences to the family of the deceased," it said. The airline added that it was working with Thai authorities to provide medical assistance to passengers, and was sending a team to Bangkok to provide any additional help needed. Thai authorities have despatched ambulances and emergency teams to Suvarnabhumi Airport. Singapore's Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat said the government would provide assistance to the passengers and their families. "I am deeply saddened to learn about the incident onboard Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 from London Heathrow to Singapore," he posted in a statement on Facebook. Flight turbulence increasing as planet heats up - study What happened on board the flight is still unclear. One passenger told Reuters news agency that the aircraft suddenly started "tilting up and there was shaking". "So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling," 28-year-old student Dzafran Azmir said. "Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it." Turbulence is most commonly caused by aircraft flying through cloud but there is also "clear air" turbulence which is not visible on a jet's weather radar nor is it possible to predict. “Injuries from severe turbulence are relatively rare in the context of millions of flights operated. "However, severe turbulence can be dramatic and lead to severe injuries or sadly in this case a fatality," aviation expert John Strickland told the BBC. Flight crews are also trained in how to respond to turbulence, he added. "It is not for nothing that airlines recommend keeping seat belts loosely fastened throughout a flight be it long or short," he added. Research has shown that climate change will make severe turbulence more likely in the future. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8889d7x8j4o Some folk injured, several badly and one poor chap has died. Meanwhile, poor old Andrew, “I was covered in coffee,” Andrew Davies from London tells our colleagues on 5 Live. 1
WigstonWanderer Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 2 hours ago, MPH said: The U.S offered its condolences in the same breath as saying he had blood on his hands. They probably felt obligated to do so as he was technically a democratically elected leader? I don’t think Iran can be classed in any way as a democracy. It comes just below Russia in this list and is listed as a “moderate autocracy”. Ranked 147/176. https://www.democracymatrix.com/ranking
WigstonWanderer Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 2 hours ago, MPH said: That has to be some pretty severe air turbulence... One person has died and several others injured on a Singapore Airlines flight from London that was hit by severe turbulence. The Singapore-bound Boeing 777-300ER was diverted to Bangkok and landed at 15:45 local (08:45 GMT). Flight tracking data suggests the airliner dropped 6,000 feet (2,000m) in a matter of minutes after crossing the Bay of Bengal. Flight SQ 321 was carrying a total of 211 passengers and 18 crew, the airline said in a statement. "Singapore Airlines offers its deepest condolences to the family of the deceased," it said. The airline added that it was working with Thai authorities to provide medical assistance to passengers, and was sending a team to Bangkok to provide any additional help needed. Thai authorities have despatched ambulances and emergency teams to Suvarnabhumi Airport. Singapore's Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat said the government would provide assistance to the passengers and their families. "I am deeply saddened to learn about the incident onboard Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 from London Heathrow to Singapore," he posted in a statement on Facebook. Flight turbulence increasing as planet heats up - study What happened on board the flight is still unclear. One passenger told Reuters news agency that the aircraft suddenly started "tilting up and there was shaking". "So I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling," 28-year-old student Dzafran Azmir said. "Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it." Turbulence is most commonly caused by aircraft flying through cloud but there is also "clear air" turbulence which is not visible on a jet's weather radar nor is it possible to predict. “Injuries from severe turbulence are relatively rare in the context of millions of flights operated. "However, severe turbulence can be dramatic and lead to severe injuries or sadly in this case a fatality," aviation expert John Strickland told the BBC. Flight crews are also trained in how to respond to turbulence, he added. "It is not for nothing that airlines recommend keeping seat belts loosely fastened throughout a flight be it long or short," he added. Research has shown that climate change will make severe turbulence more likely in the future. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8889d7x8j4o Hmmm…. Making the same flight on Monday with Singapore Airlines. Think I’ll be wearing my seat belt wherever possible. 1
Greg2607 Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 2 hours ago, Daggers said: The right to protest is back until the government decide to pass some legislation to say that they were in fact correct and the court was wrong.
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 27 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: I don’t think Iran can be classed in any way as a democracy. It comes just below Russia in this list and is listed as a “moderate autocracy”. Ranked 147/176. https://www.democracymatrix.com/ranking oh i agree completely with this, and tried to choose my wording appropriately.
MPH Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 2 hours ago, Daggers said: The right to protest is back The right to ( peacefully) protest is something i have always appreciated!
FoxesDeb Posted 21 May 2024 Posted 21 May 2024 3 hours ago, MPH said: I have 3 wiggly little kids im always bending down, getting stuff, wiping something cleaning something feeding one of them, ect.. im rarely still when on a plane Obviously whether or not you wear your seatbelt is a personal choice, but everyone is advised to wear them while sitting in their seats. I wouldn't take my seatbelt off in a car to do something for my children and I wouldn't do it on a plane, either, unless I was going to the loo. My children always sat near enough to me on planes so that I could reach them so it wouldn't be necessary for any of us to take them off.
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