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19 hours ago, MonarchFox said:

I love the fact Leicester fans are on here crying out for the club to bring through the younger players.  Yet once the player establishes themselves as a footballer the same fans spend all their time slagging them off

What?

 

Bit of a difference between Hamza, a massively out of form and out of place Luke Thomas (granted he has finally improved end of last season) and wanting to give more minutes to Monga, Alves due to a combination of circumstance and not wanting to persist with the likes of ageing BDCR/Ayew.

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20 hours ago, jv1 said:

Bar the obvious West Brom heroics 2 years ago the best game I ever seen him have was actually at centre half - have a feeling it was a cup game under Rodgers at home to someone 

 

second choice right back iv no issues but no chance he starts games in centre mid 

Against Watford 3rd Round

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Posted
1 minute ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

Not sure but it’s a ridiculous contract.

We can all agree that as a club nearly all of our players of all abilities are ridiculously overpaid.

 

I would rather have Hamza on 30-40k a week who clearly loves the club and gives 100% every time he steps on the pitch as opposed to players like Winks or Coady on 80-100k who rarely give 50% effort do not care about the club and are clearly only here for the money.

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4 minutes ago, Will1981 said:

We can all agree that as a club nearly all of our players of all abilities are ridiculously overpaid.

 

I would rather have Hamza on 30-40k a week who clearly loves the club and gives 100% every time he steps on the pitch as opposed to players like Winks or Coady on 80-100k who rarely give 50% effort do not care about the club and are clearly only here for the money.

As awkward as it is the club doesn’t really have any choice but to back Winks this season, give him a major role and likely be part of the leadership group…hoping he reaches heights of the 23/24 campaign.

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3 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I think it was this game at home to Liverpool, https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59736888.amp

 

We were missing a few, possibly Covid outbreak. Also the game Luke Thomas has Salah in his pocket.

It was. We played a weakened side but beat Liverpool. As I remember Rodgers heaped great praise on Hamza for his outstanding performance in an unfamiliar role  .. and promptly dropped him for the next game. :)

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Our problem is what are we going to do instead? Winks doesn’t look remotely bothered, Soumare looks as interested as always, Ndidi has looked poor, Skipp has looked poor. The only player who actually looked sharp and can play that role is Hamza. 
 

So unless we can somehow get rid of most of the above and sign new players in a week and a bit, what else can we do? 
 

If we start any combination of Winks, Ndidi, Skipp or Soumare, I think we’re in bother because they clearly can’t be ****ed. 

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3 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I think it was this game at home to Liverpool, https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59736888.amp

 

We were missing a few, possibly Covid outbreak. Also the game Luke Thomas has Salah in his pocket.

 

28 minutes ago, deep blue said:

It was. We played a weakened side but beat Liverpool. As I remember Rodgers heaped great praise on Hamza for his outstanding performance in an unfamiliar role  .. and promptly dropped him for the next game. :)

No, it wasn't. Amartey and Ndidi played at CB in that Liverpool game. Hamza played in midfield and was subbed off for Lookman on 56 mins, and Lookman scored the winner 3 minutes after coming on.

 

https://fbref.com/en/matches/8ad7b26f/Leicester-City-Liverpool-December-28-2021-Premier-League

 

Hamza did play CB against Watford in the Cup the following week.

 

https://fbref.com/en/matches/fd2ca892/Leicester-City-Watford-January-8-2022-FA-Cup

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, two8two said:

I will always defend a local lad who will give everything on the pitch. Hamza does this.

No matter what they do off it? Interesting moral high ground to take.

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15 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

 

No, it wasn't. Amartey and Ndidi played at CB in that Liverpool game. Hamza played in midfield and was subbed off for Lookman on 56 mins, and Lookman scored the winner 3 minutes after coming on.

 

https://fbref.com/en/matches/8ad7b26f/Leicester-City-Liverpool-December-28-2021-Premier-League

 

Hamza did play CB against Watford in the Cup the following week.

 

https://fbref.com/en/matches/fd2ca892/Leicester-City-Watford-January-8-2022-FA-Cup

 

Ah, ok. Yeah I knew that game stood out for the weakened side, Thomas pocketing Salah and a makeshift CB but yeah, was Ndidi. Although my memory is telling me they might have swapped roles during the game but probably wrong as it was a while ago. 
 

He did put in some decent performances around that time when we were low on number and we needed him to.

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32 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

If we start any combination of Winks, Ndidi, Skipp or Soumare, I think we’re in bother because they clearly can’t be ****ed. 

Can you post this in the best 11 thread please :P

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We need a no.6 but if we don't buy one, Hamza is the best option - Winks is physically too weak, it's not Skipp's game (although I'm yet to see what actually is his game!), and both Soumare and Ndidi want out. 

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1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

Ah, ok. Yeah I knew that game stood out for the weakened side, Thomas pocketing Salah and a makeshift CB but yeah, was Ndidi. Although my memory is telling me they might have swapped roles during the game but probably wrong as it was a while ago. 
 

He did put in some decent performances around that time when we were low on number and we needed him to.

I think the reason we had such a makeshift team was because we had played away at Man City less than 48 hours earlier, whereas Liverpool had had a week's rest because their previous game had been called off. Remarkable result considering.

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2 hours ago, davieG said:

Whether he plays or where he plays I'll leave that up to the manager who knows the background for each player and what he's trying to achieve. But as a long standing/sitting fan I take issue with him being captain to me it's a complete no no.

 

There's second chances that allows him to play and have a career but the Captain should set the standard for the club and DUI is a step too far especially as it wasn't a marginal offence, he was well gone driving a lethal weapon.

mmm... ironic comment coming from you with your tagline:

  • Mumpsimuses - those who insist they are right and apportion blame to others without looking at themselves.

 

I Like Hamza..; yes he has made some errors of judgement... who has not.

I have a feeling he will play a lot this season maybe even as right back as he has the energy, determination and enough skill to carry out the demands of that position in what seems to be the managers preferred system.

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It shows how far we have dropped and the current profile of our central midfielders that I would see Choudhury as the best option to play as a high energy destroyer and protector and then have someone like Page or Winks playing as deep lying playmaker alongside him 

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Can’t see Marti using Hamza in the 6 or 8 roles in a possession heavy system.

 

He will likely be used in the Justin or Doyle roles from the Enzo system.

 

Ricardo and Winks will be crucial to Marti-ball. 

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For me it was crazy to loan out Hamza last season. He’s a great option as a proper old school utility player. He can do a job as a defender or a midfielder at this level and when required in the premier league tbh. Sometimes it only takes a crunching tackle from him to gee up the fans and the team. A player like Skipp could learn a thing or too about how commitment and endeavour can make up for deficiencies in other parts of their game.

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30 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Why do people churn this line out as that it absolves somebody from blame?

 

He's a millionaire in his mid twenties who decided to drink drive. Getting a taxi is absolute pocket change so no excuse for it. And he's from a generation where you know that you don't drink drive. Bad enough when an 18 year old does it but there is some slight mitigation, but as somebody in his mid twenties, he should know better. It's stupidly selfish and reckless. This is on top of him throwing COVID party at the time most of us were having to make sacrifices (when footballers had the ultimate privilege of being able to train and play every day).

 

I've made mistakes and I'm sure I've broken the law in some small, harmless way as I suspect most have. However, I do not think most people have broken the law in such a selfish manner that puts others at risk. Sort of sounds like you condone that behaviour?

He was a ****head for doing that, but im not holding it against him for life. Lots of wealthy and not wealthy people have been caught over the limit. Heck, there are lots of fans around me on matchday who drink several pints and still drive on a matchday and i bet most of them know they are close if not just over the limit. Doesnt make it any better that they are not millionaires. Its been dealt with by the law, as it has with anyone else thats been caught. This isn't me sticking up for him, i've always felt Hamza isn't a great role model, but i think we need to move on from these and we have to accept that most young footballers make idiot decisions.

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4 hours ago, Will1981 said:

We can all agree that as a club nearly all of our players of all abilities are ridiculously overpaid.

 

I would rather have Hamza on 30-40k a week who clearly loves the club and gives 100% every time he steps on the pitch as opposed to players like Winks or Coady on 80-100k who rarely give 50% effort do not care about the club and are clearly only here for the money.

Personally I’ve always thought him extremely lazy and unprofessional. You know like when he can’t be bothered to show any urgency to close down shots or track back. That’s aside from his poor behaviour off the pitch.

 

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21 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

He was a ****head for doing that, but im not holding it against him for life. Lots of wealthy and not wealthy people have been caught over the limit. Heck, there are lots of fans around me on matchday who drink several pints and still drive on a matchday and i bet most of them know they are close if not just over the limit. Doesnt make it any better that they are not millionaires. Its been dealt with by the law, as it has with anyone else thats been caught. This isn't me sticking up for him, i've always felt Hamza isn't a great role model, but i think we need to move on from these and we have to accept that most young footballers make idiot decisions.

I should be clear and say that I don't think he should be made a pariah for life because of this because it could have been worse. But what I take objection to is the fact that it's not an isolated incident of this sort of behaviour clearly indicates a questionable personality. Not really the sort of person I want representing the club but I'm also not naïve enough to think I wouldn't be more forgiving of it if he was a world class footballer, which he isn't.

 

And it's really that last line that grates on me. You're absolutely correct but it shouldn't be deemed acceptable. As a minimum they should be held to the same standards as the rest of us but really, being an elite sportsperson probably means you should be held to higher account. In the case of drink driving, the only mitigating factor would be that you simply cannot afford to leave you car and get a taxi (an incredibly weak excuse), and that doesn't apply to Hamza.

 

It's slightly sad as he is in a unique position to be a role model for the British Asians in Leicester and more broadly for British Asians in football, but he sets a dreadful example.

Posted
2 hours ago, sycokilla said:

mmm... ironic comment coming from you with your tagline:

  • Mumpsimuses - those who insist they are right and apportion blame to others without looking at themselves.

 

I Like Hamza..; yes he has made some errors of judgement... who has not.

I have a feeling he will play a lot this season maybe even as right back as he has the energy, determination and enough skill to carry out the demands of that position in what seems to be the managers preferred system.

I'm not sure what your seeing but as I said I have no problem with him playing it's the Captaincy I object too.

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1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

Why do people churn this line out as that it absolves somebody from blame?

 

He's a millionaire in his mid twenties who decided to drink drive. Getting a taxi is absolute pocket change so no excuse for it. And he's from a generation where you know that you don't drink drive. Bad enough when an 18 year old does it but there is some slight mitigation, but as somebody in his mid twenties, he should know better. It's stupidly selfish and reckless. This is on top of him throwing COVID party at the time most of us were having to make sacrifices (when footballers had the ultimate privilege of being able to train and play every day).

 

I've made mistakes and I'm sure I've broken the law in some small, harmless way as I suspect most have. However, I do not think most people have broken the law in such a selfish manner that puts others at risk. Sort of sounds like you condone that behaviour?

Did he needlessly and recklessly endanger innocent people's lives by drink driving? Absolutely yes.

Should he have received the punishment he received? Absolutely yes.

Does he deserve to be forever chastised over it? Absolutely not.

 

I don't think he's quite the villain you're portraying him as.

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