What a Difference a Decade Makes ... Same Results, DIfferent Vibe

[foxsake]

Definitely an air of entitlement in the mix. I catch myself taking that attitude sometimes and have to reset my thinking and get some perspective. Considering our recent history perhaps it's to be expected: we've enjoyed so many highs, it has been a little unreal.. like playing FM or FIFA Career mode. Winning the Premier League still feels like a dream to me.

 

Leicester City FC is in cultural and tactical renaissance and so it's extremely fitting that there should be an Italian at the helm. 

 

I love that we're bossing the Championship: I hope we smash Reading's record on the way up and I hope Enzo stays with us for as many seasons as it takes to shape us into a truly competitive Prem side that is once again challenging for European football. 

[Dan]

8 hours ago, iancognito said:

Conversation behind me during Swansea

 

"No he's not here again, he's let my brother have the tickets. He's only coming to the bigger games. Did you come on Satdeh?"

 

"No course not. I'm not paying extra to watch this"

 

"I've not even seen the goals yet. Feels like we're just waiting for the Premiership again, this ain't much of a pull these days"

 

"I've forcing myself to watch this season, we dint wanna give the tickets away because we might not gerrum back"

 

"Here he goes again, Ndidi not Ndidi the other one, he's so selfish never creates anything"

 

🤨😫🙈

Birmingham the best atmosphere at home this season, despite the first half being genuinely probably the worst we've played at home all season.

 

Makes you think.

[SemperEadem]

How are fans still going on about hangovers from Puel and Rodgers ffs. Drink some more water and get on with it, they aint here now so get on board with the now.

[Stadt]

On the style of play point, it just isn't possible to play like the 13/14 team. Football has moved on, teams are far compacter and difficult to play against.

[Gamble92]

Also a very different trajectory. One was with a club that had been out of the Premier League for a decade and at the start of that decade we nearly lost the club all together. We had got rid of the circus under Sven and had excitment about finally heading towards the Premier League.

 

I don't like the entitled fans one bit and something needs to be done about the home support. Yet, I don't think anyone can be accused of entitlement for seeing promotion as a bare minimum this season. No one should forget how badly our club had to be run to get in this situation either. All that is still there.

 

No one can be blamed for still being angry about how it all happened. We'll still very likely look back at the last few years as the undoing of everything that come before. Promotion this season or not.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

8 hours ago, iancognito said:

Conversation behind me during Swansea

 

"No he's not here again, he's let my brother have the tickets. He's only coming to the bigger games. Did you come on Satdeh?"

 

"No course not. I'm not paying extra to watch this"

 

"I've not even seen the goals yet. Feels like we're just waiting for the Premiership again, this ain't much of a pull these days"

 

"I've forcing myself to watch this season, we dint wanna give the tickets away because we might not gerrum back"

 

"Here he goes again, Ndidi not Ndidi the other one, he's so selfish never creates anything"

 

🤨😫🙈

It would almost be worth bottling promotion so this lot find better things to do, tbh.

[Le Renard]

Some people have rose-tinted spectacles or call it nostalgia during the Pearson reign, myself included, but it wasn't all plain sailing with the fans, etc.   I look back on the MON era with fond memories, but when I think about it, some of the football was turgid and quite a snooze fest, but for some reason, I think everything was great during that era. 

It seems to be happening a lot around the world, I don't think this is just a problem with entitled football fans, Trump, and his MAGA-chanting acolytes.  Baby boomers and Brexit and their desire to turn back the clock for a nostalgic era that never existed, or Le Penn in France promising a return to the France of the 1950s.  I think what I'm saying is that football fans like the general population always think it was/is better somewhere else!

[Gamble92]

18 minutes ago, Le Renard said:

Some people have rose-tinted spectacles or call it nostalgia during the Pearson reign, myself included, but it wasn't all plain sailing with the fans, etc.   I look back on the MON era with fond memories, but when I think about it, some of the football was turgid and quite a snooze fest, but for some reason, I think everything was great during that era. 

It seems to be happening a lot around the world, I don't think this is just a problem with entitled football fans, Trump, and his MAGA-chanting acolytes.  Baby boomers and Brexit and their desire to turn back the clock for a nostalgic era that never existed, or Le Penn in France promising a return to the France of the 1950s.  I think what I'm saying is that football fans like the general population always think it was/is better somewhere else!

That run of results the season before when we messed up automatic promotion and somehow sneaked in the play offs was absolutely horrific. Toxic as hell with players and fans as well. We could have easily sacked Pearson then. The loyalty by Vichai and Top was incredible. 

 

The season we won the league started a bit slow in places like the away defeats early on. But when we got going out attacking play was unreal for that level. We actually dropped our standard when we went up because we didn't invest properly and got way too tactically negative to shut up shop. Only when we have it a go we looked unstoppable again, and the rest is history. 

[Death by Football]

The big differences for me..

 

The fact that in 13/14 we were on the way up after a sustained period of crap followed by uncertainty and the club had a clear, exciting new identity and belief compared with now when we're on a reset in a division we really shouldn't have ended up in.  It's good to see we have a clear identity and the players are playing for the shirt again but it still feels a bit like we're doing community service down in this league.

 

And the fact that I'm even older now.  For me the most exciting time as a fan (barring the obvious in 2015/16) was under MON in the 90s.  The football wasn't great most of the time but I was in my late teens/early twenties watching with my mates then going out afterwards, young free and single.  The older I get the harder it is to get as excited by the football.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Also a very different trajectory. One was with a club that had been out of the Premier League for a decade and at the start of that decade we nearly lost the club all together. We had got rid of the circus under Sven and had excitment about finally heading towards the Premier League.

 

I don't like the entitled fans one bit and something needs to be done about the home support. Yet, I don't think anyone can be accused of entitlement for seeing promotion as a bare minimum this season. No one should forget how badly our club had to be run to get in this situation either. All that is still there.

 

No one can be blamed for still being angry about how it all happened. We'll still very likely look back at the last few years as the undoing of everything that come before. Promotion this season or not.

I agree with your post, but my problem is the ground quite literally feels more negative this season than last. The whines yesterday - honestly, I can take or leave the style of play, but you would think we were 2 down. You only have to remember the way Blackburn obliterated us a year ago.

 

My gripe is where the hell was this anger when it was needed?

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

On the style of play point, it just isn't possible to play like the 13/14 team. Football has moved on, teams are far compacter and difficult to play against.

And we are the biggest talking point in this league. Teams have discussed us since May. Ten years ago, despite the play-off defeat, we didn't have the profile.

[Lillehamring]

4 hours ago, James_lcfc said:

Not the reality at all. Our squad is much better than the vast majority of the teams in this league. Wage bill absolutely dwarfs everyone aside from maybe Southampton and Leeds too.

 

I agree with a lot of your post though - There is definitely entitlement in the fan base. I know we don't have any divine right, but our squad really should be doing very well in this league shouldn't they?

There's a very fine line between the ability of the best and worse teams as far as actual talent, especially at this level - you have to remember how many players we have that have not played at this level before or are still eligible for the academy.  We have a handful of players that are arguably too good for this league, but the majority of the squad are on the first rung of the ladder.  It's not such a big gap that we can get away with playing sub-par as we've seen, the games we have won we have generally had to fight for.

 

Look at brum, they were looking good for a playoff spot, the same team a few months/weeks later were nearing the relegation zone - fine line between a squad's floor and ceiling.

 

 

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

I agree with your post, but my problem is the ground quite literally feels more negative this season than last. The whines yesterday - honestly, I can take or leave the style of play, but you would think we were 2 down. You only have to remember the way Blackburn obliterated us a year ago.

 

My gripe is where the hell was this anger when it was needed?

You'll get no argument from me on the lack of protest last year. I even did a thread saying let's protest. That went well. 

 

The poor home support really has gone from the point where we can put up with a stand of negative, old moaners, to quite a large majority of the ground who are so passive when needed and, actually embarrassing us with the groans and leaving early. The whole stadium was empty before the players had even got off yesterday. 

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

You'll get no argument from me on the lack of protest last year. I even did a thread saying let's protest. That went well. 

 

The poor home support really has gone from the point where we can put up with a stand of negative, old moaners, to quite a large majority of the ground who are so passive when needed and, actually embarrassing us with the groans and leaving early. The whole stadium was empty before the players had even got off yesterday. 

It's beyond poor now, it's nothing short of an embarrassment. I know everyone thinks they've got exceptional circumstances, but I really do think ours is uniquely bad these days for numerous factors that have been set out.

 

The theories about how it's an old, tired support filling the ground have been strengthened signiicantly by the last 5 days. The atmosphere against Birmingham in a game where we were 'actually' shit for the first 45 minutes was probably the best all season where I was. Yet last night we serve up that dross.

[Vestan Pance]

2 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

You'll get no argument from me on the lack of protest last year. I even did a thread saying let's protest. That went well. 

 

The poor home support really has gone from the point where we can put up with a stand of negative, old moaners, to quite a large majority of the ground who are so passive when needed and, actually embarrassing us with the groans and leaving early. The whole stadium was empty before the players had even got off yesterday. 

I honestly don't know where we go from here. I feel like giving up on trying to be positive in the stadium when you're surrounded by the passive or moaners. I can't help thinking the club has ended up with the supporters it deserves after 20 years of trying to influence and control every aspect of supporter behaviour.

[Trav Le Bleu]

13 hours ago, iancognito said:

Conversation behind me during Swansea

 

"No he's not here again, he's let my brother have the tickets. He's only coming to the bigger games. Did you come on Satdeh?"

 

"No course not. I'm not paying extra to watch this"

 

"I've not even seen the goals yet. Feels like we're just waiting for the Premiership again, this ain't much of a pull these days"

 

"I've forcing myself to watch this season, we dint wanna give the tickets away because we might not gerrum back"

 

"Here he goes again, Ndidi not Ndidi the other one, he's so selfish never creates anything"

 

🤨😫🙈

Some people just don't get football and they don't deserve it either.

[Gamble92]

27 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's beyond poor now, it's nothing short of an embarrassment. I know everyone thinks they've got exceptional circumstances, but I really do think ours is uniquely bad these days for numerous factors that have been set out.

 

The theories about how it's an old, tired support filling the ground have been strengthened signiicantly by the last 5 days. The atmosphere against Birmingham in a game where we were 'actually' shit for the first 45 minutes was probably the best all season where I was. Yet last night we serve up that dross.

I thought the only positive about relegation would be those type of fans not coming back, but they've clearly decided to take the hit of paying for a year of football they feel better than to ensure they can still attend all the Premier League games next season. 

 

The club will only agree to doing anything about it,in terms of listening to more feedback, when they think it's having an adverse impact on results. Which I think eventually it will.

[MattFox]

5 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

Worth pointing out there was a load of negative whining during the 12/13 Pearson playoff season, and it was back again during 2014/15 during the middle of the season. People were up in arms about Pearson in the Hull home game, the great escape kicked off the following game against West Ham. The positive atmosphere built in the final stretch, but for large parts of the middle of the season, there was plenty of griping in the ground and on ft. Some folks wanted Vardy sold in the transfer window, offering to drive him to West Brom themselves.

 

 

Yeah Barnsley away in 2013 was a particular low point 

[john ridley]

Just think that with very little turn over in season ticket holders and very limited if any general  sale tickets we're  stuck  with the same moaners season  after  season .I'd hoped  with relegation there'd be a turn over of new fans but as people  have said people  are taking a hit on this season even though  they don't enjoy it and kill any atmosphere that's generated. 

[Jacnah]

Obviously everyone sees things through their own perpective and each of us is entitled to our opinions. It doesnt make us entitled or lessor fans, whatever the view point is.

 

I think everyone involved deserves massive credit for turning the club around and having the season we are having. Just because we 'should' be promoted with this squad doesnt mean we automatically would be, so hats off to everyone involved. Without a doubt the club and fans objectives for this is season are being met. Bravo.

 

Now i can say all that and at the same time, and far to frequently, find it massively dull and uninspiring. Its rarely worth turning up until about 60 min.

 

Those two view points are not mutually exclusive and the latter point is why, in my humble opinion, there is as the OP suggested, a bit of a malaise. If youve been watching the club for more than the last decade then I doubt whether 'entitlement' is a thing

 

I think like most, I would see it as tolerable in the short term because of the results and the desire to get back into the Permier League. I dont think most would find it tolerable in the long term though. Football is about passion and excitement. The current methods, at least for me, suck to much of that out of the game. This is nothing to do with the effort the players put in which is self evident. Its the style

 

 

[Beachyboy]

I heard grumbles when we were top of the Premiership in Christmas 2015 after a 0-0 draw to Bournemouth, by and large I do think the Leicester fans are a miserable bunch, the atmosphere has mostly been flat unless we are flying extremely high like end of 2016 season/ CL run. Even the Europa league/conference league nights weren't as buzzing as you'd expect.

 

I'd say if we get promotion we should go all out for the Carabao Cup, 13th or 14th place and winning the carabao would be the domestic sweep of league, fa cup, charity shield and league Cup in 10 years which would be phenomenal.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

We did have a fantastic atmosphere for a very short period of time, about 2014-2017 but it's just embarrassing now.

 

There's a 'big 6' mentality to our fans without the quality on the pitch. Either day trippers treating it like a trip to the theatre, and even worse than that, the old gits who hate their lives and come to vent their inadequacy and frustration for 90 minutes. The types who won't make a peep but then explode with rage when the ref or lino make a dodgy decision.

 

Small teams like Bournemouth, Rotherham and Huddersfield have much better atmospheres and more passionate fans. It's really disheartening what we have become.

[ARM1968]

Some of those things. Some other things. Main thing is the winning and the expectation that you will keep winning. It’s why The Etihad is more mausoleum than colosseum. 
 

Then you’re just left with the edges to nibble and that has translated into frustration with some aspects of the teams application of Enzo’s strategy. 
 

We all KNOW we will be promoted. I expect it to be a sight more lively when we’re getting pummelled in the Prem.  

[HighPeakFox]

6 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

We all KNOW we will be promoted.   

I think there are a fair few who do not know that at all.

[ARM1968]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

I think there are a fair few who do not know that at all.

Ohh God dammit are you my very own stalker?   You put me in mind of a certain priest………. I’m sure you’ll get that. 
 

Look, barring an incredible collapse, Enzo walking out, fire, flood a bad Clam or something, we SHOULD get promoted. From here it would be a very poor show to fail.