Watford Post Match 2-1

[fuchsntf]

Shit happens…Winks yesterday,either blackout or misdirected pass from a googly

Vardy,KDH,Daka mis hitting open goals.

Why we have so many pages of this incident outweighing those 2 great moves

(plus a 3rd) that created our goals…Always leaves me somewhat baffled.

 

Watford (A) was always going to be tight a bit agricultural,but again Enzo delivers.

We are running into a long patch with FA.cup of 3 games over a week.

I no longer think of whys or therefore on Enzo’s selections,he has the better view,

and perspectives of our needs..
and a small thing of ToTT 75pts/31 an intensity that for a complete turn around

in system & squad ..in tactical terms,the best in all divisions,including Ipswich,

Luton,Brentford…Southamptons great early/late turn around.

[STEVIE B]

1 hour ago, MGLCFC said:

Looking at the goals we have conceded, the vast majority are either lapses of concentration, scrappy goals from set plays or the occasional screamer. I can't think of many goals where the opposition have created a fluid passage of play to open us up and score. 

Very true. 

We play high risk/reward football.

Even Man City occasionally get caught out trying it.

We rarely, if ever get cut open due to opponents slick passing & movement. 

Personally I'm loving the way we're evolving. 

 

 

 

Edited 11 February 2024 by STEVIE B

[Les-TA-Jon]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It's very interesting to see the difference in human psyche. The football we play is risk taking in the sense that in order to at times draw teams on to us, a error like yesterday and its basically a free goal which is so clear to see it cannot be denied.

 

Yet in another circumstance or style of play such as constant fast octane football, you keep pushing up pitch, get it turned over through a similarly poor scuffed pass and 10 seconds later its in the back of our net. Is the anger still the same? Is the mistake worse or less?

 

It's only natural to be very anxious in games where we take risks at the back, especially in tight games I'm guilty of panicking and wanting the fcuker cleared by any means possible. But as Balague said on our pod, that's the heart ruling the head. If we leather it up pitch then the philosophy and lack of composure means we don't do what we've done for 90% of this season which has carefully and relentlessly dismantled teams.

 

We will be attempting to evolve, attempting to get better, to even iron out the very few catastrophic errors such as yesterday's (there's been very few that have led to goals) but it's imperative we do and Enzo knows that. If we go up, that stuff gets punished far more and we will be pressed more in to mistakes too. Although that also brings it's openings for us to wreak havoc on teams too as we move through the lines.

 

Risk reward football is often forgotten by some, this is an example. It's understandable but you have to reflect and understand, otherwise what you're asking for will never satisfy you as it doesn't exist.

It’s also about accounting for our personnel. 
 

With Vestergaard at the centre of defence a lot of our play is about reducing how many turnovers we have and rarely conceding transitions. 
 

it’s why we tend to take fewer risks the further up the pitch we go. 

[SuperMike]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

Shit happens…Winks yesterday,either blackout or misdirected pass from a googly

Vardy,KDH,Daka mis hitting open goals.

Why we have so many pages of this incident outweighing those 2 great moves

(plus a 3rd) that created our goals…Always leaves me somewhat baffled.

 

Watford (A) was always going to be tight a bit agricultural,but again Enzo delivers.

We are running into a long patch with FA.cup of 3 games over a week.

I no longer think of whys or therefore on Enzo’s selections,he has the better view,

and perspectives of our needs..
and a small thing of ToTT 75pts/31 an intensity that for a complete turn around

in system & squad ..in tactical terms,the best in all divisions,including Ipswich,

Luton,Brentford…Southamptons great early/late turn around.

Your posts leave me TOTALLY baffled!

[Mickyblueeyes]

Also, just want to say, Ricky P was the captain all of us were crying out for last year when the rat bastards Evans, Tielemans etc. were holding onto the armband. 
 

So much about him as captain reminds me of Wes. You can see he is genuinely proud to lead out the young ones. They clearly respect him. 
 

Lead us into the PL, Skip!

Edited 12 February 2024 by Mickyblueeyes

[Super_horns]

3 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Why was there so much concern over your RB. I thought he was decent. Maybe he would’ve had a different game if it was Mavididi a natural rather than McAteer who is better in the middle but he didn’t seem to put a foot wrong.

Just wasn’t his natural position - normally our 45 who came on plays there .

 

But agree did well .

[Rupert Von Suckalemon]

Harry Winks take a bow, it was always going to happen at some point.

Good job it didn’t cost us any points. It may do next time……..

[Batfink77]

Watched it a few times now and genuinely can't work out what winks was actually trying to do. Regardless,  I think he can be forgiven.

[KFS]

26 minutes ago, Batfink77 said:

Watched it a few times now and genuinely can't work out what winks was actually trying to do. Regardless,  I think he can be forgiven.

He’s trying to pass to Faes and fluffs it. Complete mistake 

[HighPeakFox]

38 minutes ago, Rupert Von Suckalemon said:

Harry Winks take a bow, it was always going to happen at some point.

Good job it didn’t cost us any points. It may do next time……..

What's your point? 

[Wymsey]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

What's your point? 

Think he's trying to say if he made such a mistake in a pivotal match where a lot is at stake, he'd probably get heavily criticised for it.

Edited 11 February 2024 by Wymsey

[Claridge]

Was at the game yesterday, fantastic second goal , most of the rest of the game was very average to boring

[HighPeakFox]

17 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Think he's trying to say if he made such mistake in a pivotal match where a lot is at stake, he'd probably get heavily criticised for it.

Wymsey... You're doing that thing you do. 

[Sampson]

33 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Wymsey... You're doing that thing you do. 

I think he’s kind of right on this occasion though. Maddison gets slaughtered on here by many because he made a couple of mistakes in key games in the run in last season despite the fact he was clearly our best player over the season as a whole. The context is key but the context is also for the most part just the luck of where your mistakes do or don’t occur.

 

On the opposite end of the spectrum you also have players like Leo Ulloa and Steve Claridge who are cult heroes because of 2 or 3 goals they scored in more important contexts.

 

Im not saying it’s not natural or wrong but a lot of it just down luck of when these things occurred really. It is kind of lucky for Winks he made that mistake when it meant nothing in a standard league match when we’re already well clear and not on the last day as the mistake that cost us automatic promotion 

Edited 11 February 2024 by Sampson

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

I think he’s kind of right on this occasion though. Maddison gets slaughtered on here by many because he made a couple of mistakes in key games in the run in last season despite the fact he was clearly our best player over the season as a whole. The context is key but the context is also for the most part just the luck of where your mistakes do or don’t occur.

It is kind of lucky for Winks he made that mistake when it meant nothing in a standard league match when we’re already well clear and not on the last day as the mistake that cost us automatic promotion 

It's not about that, though, I was asking the OP and didn't require an interpretation.

 

He made the mistake at 2-0 up yesterday, and that's all that matters. The rest is just what iffery.

[BertFill]

2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It is kind of lucky for Winks he made that mistake when it meant nothing in a standard league match when we’re already well clear and not on the last day as the mistake that cost us automatic promotion 

It's lucky for all of us! But of course if he did do it in a crucial game the mistake itself would be no worse.

But I'm sure many of us have been lucky at times - eg on the road when we've made a daft mistake but there fortunately wasn't anyone in a position to crash into us.

Maybe the thing to take from it all is that we shouldn't all be so ready to lambast people for making a mistake...

[Wymsey]

6 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

It's not about that, though, I was asking the OP and didn't require an interpretation.

 

He made the mistake at 2-0 up yesterday, and that's all that matters. The rest is just what iffery.

Am truly sorry, then, but don't know why you're sounding bossy about my response to be quite honest.

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, BertFill said:

It's lucky for all of us! But of course if he did do it in a crucial game the mistake itself would be no worse.

But I'm sure many of us have been lucky at times - eg on the road when we've made a daft mistake but there fortunately wasn't anyone in a position to crash into us.

Maybe the thing to take from it all is that we shouldn't all be so ready to lambast people for making a mistake...

Yes exactly and we’re on the same page here. I’ve already spent plenty of time on here baffled at how many people seemed to have had Maddison out as public enemy no.1 at the end of last season because of the missed penalty and the fluffed back pass in the run in when he and Barnes were just about out only 2 players who looked remotely like Premier League quality players last season. That was more my point - that the context of mistakes clearly matters but that context itself is mostly just luck when you get down to it.

[HighPeakFox]

9 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Am truly sorry, then, but don't know why you're sounding bossy about my response to be quite honest.

Bossy? Are you serious?

[Dan]

It's the fact we've played a top half side away, not been at our best yet only a big error from us has stopped it being a pretty comfortable routine win. The sort of fixture that Saints and Leeds aren't winning at quite the rate we are. It's the difference.

 

Was absolutely not a vintage performance but we deserved the win. Fully expect us to win the next two as well.

[bovril]

Thought it was a pretty perfect performance away at a relatively good side until Winks' mistake. 

[filbertway]

13 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's the fact we've played a top half side away, not been at our best yet only a big error from us has stopped it being a pretty comfortable routine win. The sort of fixture that Saints and Leeds aren't winning at quite the rate we are. It's the difference.

 

Was absolutely not a vintage performance but we deserved the win. Fully expect us to win the next two as well.

Only seen the Watford highlights but after their goal they probably should have had 2 more chances from close range where they've hit it straight at mads instead of into the massive space either side.

 

Guessing the goal changed the direction of play?

[Number 6]

A weekend when the 3 other teams in the top 4 were at home, 2 of them against relegation battlers, us away at a top half team challenging for playoffs. We've gained ground on 1 and maintained the gap to the other 2. Great weekend. 

[Dan]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Only seen the Watford highlights but after their goal they probably should have had 2 more chances from close range where they've hit it straight at mads instead of into the massive space either side.

 

Guessing the goal changed the direction of play?

They had chances to be fair, probably being unfair on them - think it was a game where either a narrow away win or a draw wasn't unfair.

 

The goal definitely swung things a bit. I thought we'd go on to get 3/4 again after our 2nd but we gifted them a goal.

 

We've definitely played better games though.

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, SuperMike said:

Your posts leave me TOTALLY baffled!

You stay baffled with my posts…!

So long as Enzo keeps doing the Fandango

with the opposition..who cares..!!
I am just a poor boy I need no sympathy

Because I'm easy come, easy go, little high, little low
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me..