Watford Post Match 2-1

[UniFox21]

We seem really poor at blocking long range shots. 

A few times this season we've appeared to have gotten unlucky by the odd flick wrong footing Mads.

Having watched the highlights, a few times a shot has come in and it's taken a flick off of someone rather than them putting in a solid block. And it's becoming a more common event now 

[Chrysalis]

15 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

Definitely.

 

I don't think it was a brain fart, as some have suggested, he was trying to pass it across and it came off his foot wrong.

Yes I think it was miscontrolled. We move on.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

We seem really poor at blocking long range shots. 

A few times this season we've appeared to have gotten unlucky by the odd flick wrong footing Mads.

Having watched the highlights, a few times a shot has come in and it's taken a flick off of someone rather than them putting in a solid block. And it's becoming a more common event now 

I’d love to see the stats but I can imagine it’s because teams take more long range shots against us. I’m not sure how you coach that and if that is the big stand out defensive issue then we’re clearly in a good place. 

[Chrysalis]

9 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

Here's more of the move for that incredible second goal. This needs to be shown to all the dinosaurs in our fan base that want it kicked forward as soon as possible.

 

• Winks stands on the ball at the start of the move doing... nothing. He's trying to provoke the Watford player to come and press him.
• He plays a bounce pass with Ricardo, then Winks plays it... backwards. BOOOO! GET IT FORWARDS!
• Mads plays a cool, measured ball with his instep into KDH. BOOO! Just smash it long! **** tippy tappy BS.
• KDH has come deep to receive the ball to drag his marker with him, and lays it off to Winks. WHY IS HE DROPPING DEEP!? He should be further up the field!
• Winks, who is now facing towards the opposition goal can make a first time forward pass through the lines to Ricardo, who is now totally free because his marker jumped to try and follow Winks, because Winks' marker is trying to press the goalkeeper. Passing backwards has taken Watford players out of the game. BUT WHY DOESN'T WINKS JUST SMASH IT FORWARDS!?
• Ricardo spins and drives forwards with the ball. KDH sprints from his deep position to support the attack. It's now 5 v 4 in our favour and Ricardo can pick his pass.
• He lays it off to Fatawu with a simple pass. Fatawu could have cut in and lashed a shot at goal. But instead he waits a split second to commit his man, then plays a simple return pass.
• Ricardo can then just pass it into the back of the net for an incredible team goal.

 

Why pass it sideways? Backwards? Do nothing at all? You've got to see the bigger picture. Don't force the game, make the opposition come to you. Manoeuvre them around and create the space that way, then exploit it ruthlessly. This is peak Enzo-ball. You won't see many, if any, team goals better than this across Europe. Incredible.

 

 

And yes Winks having a brainfart and gifting them a goal is the downside of such play. But over the course of a season, a great team will create and score many more goals playing this way than they concede.

 

 

 

 

As you know I like a touch of direct from our game and like hybrid football where we mix up different methods of play, I think this goal was the perfect combination of technical ability, passing movement and player positioning, and it also was in my eyes still fairly direct around 13 seconds from back to goal with precision on every kick, great stuff.

 

Everything from luring one of their players in so a man advantage, a dribble, some passes and a clinical shot.

 

This in the clip is the sort of thing I like to see.

Edited 11 February 2024 by Chrysalis

[Les-TA-Jon]

11 hours ago, Bptiger said:

I think there’s what most fans hate , giving away a goal like that , two goals up way play such a stupid ball , punch it up the field and press hard . The manager can cry all he likes about fans wanting the ball to go forward quicker, I think most of us don’t want to see stupid plays like that . 

Terrible take

 

 

[Ric Flair]

12 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

That was bad but it wasn't an absolute stinker in my eyes. Their attacker still had work to do. Today was just a free goal. 

And yet Hermansen was so close to keeping it out (would have been ridiculous)

[BertFill]

11 hours ago, Bptiger said:

I think there’s what most fans hate , giving away a goal like that , two goals up way play such a stupid ball , punch it up the field and press hard . The manager can cry all he likes about fans wanting the ball to go forward quicker, I think most of us don’t want to see stupid plays like that . 

Spot on mate. Enzo's a clown, and Harry Winks making one mistake proves it beyond all doubt.

What's John Beck doing these days?

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, Bptiger said:

I think there’s what most fans hate , giving away a goal like that , two goals up way play such a stupid ball , punch it up the field and press hard . The manager can cry all he likes about fans wanting the ball to go forward quicker, I think most of us don’t want to see stupid plays like that . 

It's very interesting to see the difference in human psyche. The football we play is risk taking in the sense that in order to at times draw teams on to us, a error like yesterday and its basically a free goal which is so clear to see it cannot be denied.

 

Yet in another circumstance or style of play such as constant fast octane football, you keep pushing up pitch, get it turned over through a similarly poor scuffed pass and 10 seconds later its in the back of our net. Is the anger still the same? Is the mistake worse or less?

 

It's only natural to be very anxious in games where we take risks at the back, especially in tight games I'm guilty of panicking and wanting the fcuker cleared by any means possible. But as Balague said on our pod, that's the heart ruling the head. If we leather it up pitch then the philosophy and lack of composure means we don't do what we've done for 90% of this season which has carefully and relentlessly dismantled teams.

 

We will be attempting to evolve, attempting to get better, to even iron out the very few catastrophic errors such as yesterday's (there's been very few that have led to goals) but it's imperative we do and Enzo knows that. If we go up, that stuff gets punished far more and we will be pressed more in to mistakes too. Although that also brings it's openings for us to wreak havoc on teams too as we move through the lines.

 

Risk reward football is often forgotten by some, this is an example. It's understandable but you have to reflect and understand, otherwise what you're asking for will never satisfy you as it doesn't exist.

[Corky]

Minor things like league tables suggest the style of play works.

[Countryfox]

Great atmosphere at away games ..  next game at home with the moaning and (very) early departures ..  I just hope this doesn’t affect the players.  Worries me a pisses me off in equal measure .. 

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

Great atmosphere at away games ..  next game at home with the moaning and (very) early departures ..  I just hope this doesn’t affect the players.  Worries me a pisses me off in equal measure .. 

The people who stay will hopefully boo those who leave. Let the players and manager know there is a core of support, maybe 16000 or so, that actually wants to support, in the truest sense of the word. These people take part. They are involved. 

 

There's 10000 or so, who want to spectate. Footballing cucks. Voyeurs. 

 

Those who wanna be involved, get involved. 

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

The people who stay will hopefully boo those who leave. Let the players and manager know there is a core of support, maybe 16000 or so, that actually wants to support, in the truest sense of the word. These people take part. They are involved. 

 

There's 10000 or so, who want to spectate. Footballing cucks. Voyeurs. 

 

Those who wanna be involved, get involved. 

I know what you mean about the booing but any booing isn’t good no matter what it’s for and also draws even more attention to the problem.  Tbh I wish they’d just fvck off and give their tickets to someone else .. 

[george55]

18 hours ago, Larry_LCFC said:

Good to see we are negotiating these banana skin games. Not our best performance but job done away from home. Winks will be kicking himself I'm sure.

 

Southampton are going to come at us like a freight train. Need a strong convincing win on Tuesday. 

yea only danger is saints but althou they won it proves they going to let goals in we have to cheer on the albion

[BertFill]

18 hours ago, moore_94 said:

That freight train people keep referring to seems to be taking absolutely ages to actually catch up with us

I think people forget that freight trains are usually really, really slow. They might take some stopping but they're easily outpaced.

[MGLCFC]

Those teams who play the high risk game at the back accept occasional errors will be made. Ederson and Allison, 2 of the best outfield keepers in the Prem, have both made howlers in the past. It doesn't stop Man City and Liverpool sticking to the game plan. For me the rewards outweigh the infrequent disaster. I think we have conceded 2 goals from errors at the back, yet no team in the 4 leagues have scored more than us I believe. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I think you have summed it up well .

 

Porteous is very rash and almost tries too hard to get stuck in .

Kone for 21 looks like a decent player and certainly adds a bit of skill and craft to our team .

Why was there so much concern over your RB. I thought he was decent. Maybe he would’ve had a different game if it was Mavididi a natural rather than McAteer who is better in the middle but he didn’t seem to put a foot wrong.

[bovril]

Concourse shop was a bit of a letdown. Ran out of pies before h/t ffs

[MalletFox]

8 minutes ago, bovril said:

Concourse shop was a bit of a letdown. Ran out of pies before h/t ffs

Were any of the pies “steak & ale” by any chance? I bet our fans were rinsing the ale out of em to get some alcohol in them!

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 hours ago, Bptiger said:

I think there’s what most fans hate , giving away a goal like that , two goals up way play such a stupid ball , punch it up the field and press hard . The manager can cry all he likes about fans wanting the ball to go forward quicker, I think most of us don’t want to see stupid plays like that . 

No, just no. 
 

Firstly, Winks hasn’t put a foot wrong all season, things like that happen.

 

Secondly, this is a title race, with every slick, free flowing game, you’re going to get the rugged, hard worked win alongside it. 
 

A great example is the Pearson title winning season, we took on Derby at home (who were a good team at the time) and wiped the floor with them at the King Power - 4 - 1, Vardy was electric. 
 

Just a week later, we went to Elland Road and were poor and it just didn’t click. Kasper pulled off some great saves. We nicked it, 1-0 at the end. 
 

I could go through so many examples in our PL title winning season. Sunderland away, Southampton at home. Boring, very difficult watch. Compare it to Swansea at home. Liverpool at home is the one I remember the most. Until Vardy broke the goal, we were so behind them and 2nd best, a big defeat wouldn’t have been unthinkable. 
 

This is simply a style and judging by the table, a highly effective one. Pretending it causes us to have more poor games or create more mistakes is just something someone has made up. It’s a style as effective as any of the successful styles we have had in the past. So, no, I’m definitely not one of those “most” who wants to see it blasted forward and clueless in the hope of recreating some absolutely made up attractive style in the past. We’ve seen boring, ineffective football under Rodgers - there was a fear this style would follow suit. It doesn’t and that’s because Enzo is far superior in coaching than his predecessor (both of them). Back him.

[MattFox]

3 hours ago, Lionator said:

14-3 in all competitions since the Coventry game. To think some people thought that might be the point we crumbled. 

Cov was a bad day at the office and even then we wouldn’t have lost it with 11 men

 

massive overreaction because it was cov

[MGLCFC]

Looking at the goals we have conceded, the vast majority are either lapses of concentration, scrappy goals from set plays or the occasional screamer. I can't think of many goals where the opposition have created a fluid passage of play to open us up and score. 

[Wortho]

I’m so grateful we beat this lot. I work with a lot their fans and it means so much to do the double over them.

 

Respect to Super_Horns.

 

 

[HitchinFox]

13 hours ago, Bptiger said:

I think there’s what most fans hate , giving away a goal like that , two goals up way play such a stupid ball , punch it up the field and press hard . The manager can cry all he likes about fans wanting the ball to go forward quicker, I think most of us don’t want to see stupid plays like that . 

 

Go easy on the glue pal. 

 

Also, did you by any chance call TalkSport last night? 

[fuchsntf]

59 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

No, just no. 
 

Firstly, Winks hasn’t put a foot wrong all season, things like that happen.

 

Secondly, this is a title race, with every slick, free flowing game, you’re going to get the rugged, hard worked win alongside it. 
 

A great example is the Pearson title winning season, we took on Derby at home (who were a good team at the time) and wiped the floor with them at the King Power - 4 - 1, Vardy was electric. 
 

Just a week later, we went to Elland Road and were poor and it just didn’t click. Kasper pulled off some great saves. We nicked it, 1-0 at the end. 
 

I could go through so many examples in our PL title winning season. Sunderland away, Southampton at home. Boring, very difficult watch. Compare it to Swansea at home. Liverpool at home is the one I remember the most. Until Vardy broke the goal, we were so behind them and 2nd best, a big defeat wouldn’t have been unthinkable. 
 

This is simply a style and judging by the table, a highly effective one. Pretending it causes us to have more poor games or create more mistakes is just something someone has made up. It’s a style as effective as any of the successful styles we have had in the past. So, no, I’m definitely not one of those “most” who wants to see it blasted forward and clueless in the hope of recreating some absolutely made up attractive style in the past. We’ve seen boring, ineffective football under Rodgers - there was a fear this style would follow suit. It doesn’t and that’s because Enzo is far superior in coaching than his predecessor (both of them). Back him.

Ahh come of it..—!!   Let the doubters,moaners,small minded-chase every mistake,diagnose it,rip it apart like a frog dissenters…

You write a great post..with all the logic one needs..

 

BUT we need these miserable old/young sods..,

to give us our post game entertainment,especially on Sundays 

before and after the roast. I realised over each passing season

Some just can’t stop themselves trying to set up their melodramatic

figures and opinions while despite League position or new style whole package, they still love their

over the wall washing line Gud ol’ moan…

 

We all need a laugh in these great times for our club

as well as the parallel various bad times..

Tom n Jerry after 70 yrs gets boring,

but those Daffy Duck left field opinions of our ever  negative,but still true supporters….

like Maria…they just makes me laugh..

Edited 11 February 2024 by fuchsntf

[Jazzy_Jeff]

51 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Looking at the goals we have conceded, the vast majority are either lapses of concentration, scrappy goals from set plays or the occasional screamer. I can't think of many goals where the opposition have created a fluid passage of play to open us up and score. 

The best goal we’ve conceded was the first against Birmingham imo.

 

Agree that rest have been scrappy/avoidable