Enzo meets Percy

[LVFox]

13 minutes ago, Plastik Man said:

Let's hope the club recognise this and can create the structure alluded to by Ballagué.

 

Despite their apparent failings the club has clearly got a lot of things right behind the scenes too.

 

I do wonder how much they will back any manager after getting their fingers burnt when they backed Rodgers to the hilt, eventually leading us to last season's relegation.

 

It's about backing them sensibly, and unfortunately Enzo will have to feel the effect of the overspend on Rodgers and relegation. 

 

However, from his interview with Percy, I feel he's far more interested in being backed on style and not having a side ripped apart once he's built it. Whilst our model has to rely on profit made on players, as long as he can re-invest in players that suit his style I think he will be content.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

54 minutes ago, Bert said:

Most people will agree. 
 

Sadly, his success is what’s gonna see him get poached by a bigger club. 

Always the way with a club like ours. Just need to make sure the next guy is able to carry on the momentum should he succeed here. 

[Dan]

56 minutes ago, Bert said:

We are going to be going into next season with a clear idea of how we are going and want to play as well. There will be some additions, of course but I feel this season is the groundwork being done for being able to sustain our position back in the premier league. 
 

We are a more attractive proposition than most of the clubs outside the top 10, the whole place will have a really good feel good factor about it all too. 

Tend to agree. Totally reject this notion we'll do a Burnley. Extremely lazy argument.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

He's just ****ing terrible. I listen to it most weeks and the questions are like Enzo is being interviewed by a GCSE media studies student playing at football journo. 

 

Reflective of how local journalism has fallen. Looking for clickbait responses and headlines to non questions/issues.

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, LVFox said:

Maresca, like Pearson and to a lesser extent even Puel, seems to be dragging the club forward, whereas I always felt Ranieri and Rodgers were more steering us in a direction with wind in our sails.

 

He's an incredible coach, who is still learning his craft. The one advantage to keeping him long term is I feel he's purely motivated by philosophy and if we match his, he won't want to move unless he's guaranteed the same at a higher level.

 

Which if he carries on it won't be long. 20 clubs above us with deeper pockets at the min (plus overeas), we cant compete financially at this moment. 

[Spudulike]

33 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Please, please, please don't get sucked in by this shit. I'm begging you - and everyone else. 

 

There is literally no drama at all about our style of play, Enzo, the fans, he's not going to leave, he didn't threaten to leave. 

 

It's our absolutely terrible local press looking to stir up stupid drama and rubbish narratives to drive engagement and sensationalise shit. They are absolutely shameless. 

 

99% of the fanbase are delighted with the turnaround this season and Maresca and he's a smart guy that's been in football a long time, he knows that. He just keeps getting asked stupid, stupid ****ing questions by absolutely rubbish journalists. 

 

I swear he's had a question in basically every pre match press conference this year about whether or not "the fans" will have to be patient and what he thinks of "the fans" frustrations about slow football. Just complete shit. 

 

He wasn't exactly boiling over with frustration despite the ridiculous headline. But, to be positive, the phrasing of the article clearly rattled a few cages bringing in to focus what we have and how complacent some of our fans had become. 

[BKLFox]

In a previous Q&A "Enzo says at the moment he’s only thinking about promotion, not beyond, but he hopes to stay at the club for a minimum of 3-4 years to build something special...."

 

Not sure we will get the full 4yrs out of him in fact it could be very dicey this summer with the expected opening of a number of top positions across every major league not that i expect he will put up for but more likely the clubs that require backfilling.

He does strike me as a man of his word & would see us having at least 2yrs in the Premier with him if we secure promotion in the summer.

 

[fuchsntf]

17 hours ago, Ste said:

 

This should work for those stuck with a nag screen 

You see the difference between your chosen photo of Enzo and mine..

yours the 2nd one..Enzo apprehensive & wasn’t sure if he was staying…

 The first..2 minutes later mine shows he is now sure of committing and ready to stay, looking more relaxed and ready take on the world with LCFC…..…

 

 

 

[smudger63]

3 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

In a previous Q&A "Enzo says at the moment he’s only thinking about promotion, not beyond, but he hopes to stay at the club for a minimum of 3-4 years to build something special...."

 

Not sure we will get the full 4yrs out of him in fact it could be very dicey this summer with the expected opening of a number of top positions across every major league not that i expect he will put up for but more likely the clubs that require backfilling.

He does strike me as a man of his word & would see us having at least 2yrs in the Premier with him if we secure promotion in the summer.

 

Can definitely see West Ham coming in for him in the summer.

The West Ham fans are forever moaning about Moyes style of football, and Enzo may well be seen as a perfect replacement.

A more modern style of football, a Pep disciple, and changed the style and culture at Leicester in a rapid time, with great success.

 

 

[BKLFox]

8 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Can definitely see West Ham coming in for him in the summer.

The West Ham fans are forever moaning about Moyes style of football, and Enzo may well be seen as a perfect replacement.

A more modern style of football, a Pep disciple, and changed the style and culture at Leicester in a rapid time, with great success.

 

 

Can see Potter going to West Ham i'd be more worried about Brighton as i'm sure they have already taken notice of Enzo along with high praise coming from De Zerbi who i don't see being there much longer with all the incoming changes

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

He's just ****ing terrible. I listen to it most weeks and the questions are like Enzo is being interviewed by a GCSE media studies student playing at football journo. 

 

It’s just part of the job as a football manager to put up with it I guess. Best way is to answer the questions in the way they deserve to be. I have absolutely no time for journalists, particularly those of a sports variety!

 

This is what I liked about Pearson also but he did let the frustration get to him too often and let the journalists get under his skin which is of course, their aim.

[Happy Fox]

3 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Can see Potter going to West Ham i'd be more worried about Brighton as i'm sure they have already taken notice of Enzo along with high praise coming from De Zerbi who i don't see being there much longer with all the incoming changes

We have a higher ceiling than Brighton, even though they may be in a better position than us right now. I would imagine only the Top 6 in the premier league plus Newcastle would be jobs he would jump at the chance to join the others in the premier league not so sure.

 

As for European clubs that remains to be seen, but maybe a Serie A side / La Liga side.

[shen]

Just now, Happy Fox said:

We have a higher ceiling than Brighton, even though they may be in a better position than us right now. I would imagine only the Top 6 in the premier league plus Newcastle would be jobs he would jump at the chance to join the others in the premier league not so sure.

 

As for European clubs that remains to be seen, but maybe a Serie A side / La Liga side.

Based on what? Our famous training facilities? Our past achievements? 

If they can continue their excellent development, then I see them staying ahead of the chasing pack for a good while.

[Tuna]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Always the way with a club like ours. Just need to make sure the next guy is able to carry on the momentum should he succeed here. 

To be fair, we've only had one manager poached in 24 years

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 minute ago, Tuna said:

To be fair, we've only had one manager poached in 24 years

Haha so all the rest have got to the point where they’ve been duffers then! 🤣 

[Spudulike]

30 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Can definitely see West Ham coming in for him in the summer.

The West Ham fans are forever moaning about Moyes style of football, and Enzo may well be seen as a perfect replacement.

A more modern style of football, a Pep disciple, and changed the style and culture at Leicester in a rapid time, with great success.

 

 

Enzo will need to have at least one successful season in the Premier League before doors start opening. Perhaps more than one for a really top job. 

[filbertway]

It's annoying that we have to wait for a manager with an elite mentality to move the club forwards, that's what our DOF should be doing.

 

Every time it's a coinflip hoping the gaffer can do the job of the DOF.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

34 minutes ago, shen said:

Based on what? Our famous training facilities? Our past achievements? 

If they can continue their excellent development, then I see them staying ahead of the chasing pack for a good while.

I wouldn’t even say Brighton are ahead of the chasing pack at the moment. They’ve had an iffy season I think. They’re probably towards the top of the chasing pack, but not ahead of it imo.

[BKLFox]

2 minutes ago, shen said:

Based on what? Our famous training facilities? Our past achievements? 

If they can continue their excellent development, then I see them staying ahead of the chasing pack for a good while.

I kind of agree with @Happy Fox in that for all the high praise Brighton get (& especially on here) what have they done, where are they going & for how long?

There's a lot being said about their recruitment but this just seems to be a, get in quick so we can flip them, type of recruitment not so much to build a team for the longterm.
If we look beyond the stupid money they received last summer  (mostly from Caicedo) they received €195m they paid out €109m in incomings they did much the same the previous season with those incomings only staying 1 season.
Note that like us buying the Mahrez's, Kante's of the world it soon dry's up & the outlay starts to chip away at what you receive back in sales.

They currently sit 9th & i can see Chelsea over taking them shortly yet they have spent €109m there would be murders on here if lets say we had spent €109m in a single season & sat 9th & slipping.

The highest they have finished is 6th & that's the only time they have finished above us since they came back up, this was last season when we were relegated.
 

I see them very much like Southampton were long time ago churning out talent but not really getting anywhere or winning anything.

The only reason i mentioned Brighton is they now have a model & De Zerbi would be putting his recommendations in place for his successor not because i see them as long term top 6 chasers because we know it can't last for clubs like us, Brighton, West Ham, Brentford, Everton etc

[ThumbsUp]

36 minutes ago, shen said:

Based on what? Our famous training facilities? Our past achievements? 

If they can continue their excellent development, then I see them staying ahead of the chasing pack for a good while.

This might be controversial but Brighton peaked last season. Gonna be a while before they get European football again.

[fuchsntf]

27 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Which if he carries on it won't be long. 20 clubs above us with deeper pockets at the min (plus overeas), we cant compete financially at this moment. 

He is 43, his first manager job carrying his idea,

a club demanding another style hell or highwater…

Not too many politics to really worry about within club…

He will want first to start to build his system & legacy and various phases,

he has time here to kick start and advance his ideas.

The PL with a respected club,but not the swords edge of impatient top 6 bosses,

That positive kaleidoscope of creation and in 2-4 years,would be more willing

to sell his proven wares. First his apprenticeship and developement with us

in the PL,then after those 2-4 yrs more to offer with proven credibility and credentials. He can Test and tweak his ideas,without interference,plus with a clever

Canny outburst,wake up call,he’s probably turned more fans young n old into his way of thinking..but with first lower expectancies..Despite some doubts,we have

a decent squad to face that challenge..some positions need confirming and

a few with more quality cover.

 

In football your first steps can’t be double your wages

and commitments, the first steps in all team sport,is to spit against the wind.

Last years promoted sides,didn’t have that choice our player quality,nor a complete

squad pulling and playing for each other.There will be movement and base squad

will see natural losses,suprising resignings,and freshmeat,but I believe the backbone will stay. Plus exciting questions and queries will have to be answered

”On the job”, while spitting against the wind. Being a clever ass,saying this or that won’t work,is just has daft has me saying we have 7 top future quality stars & we will walk top 5. In sport it’s often first sit and wait for next phase progress,help and see it develope not putting in an irrelevant unsupportive boot..That only a forum

member will read, but creates a fanbase negative unreasonable agendas

and frustration..

Rodgers first thoughts ideology impressed us,but unlike Enzo he didn’t tweak or look to quietly implement any tweaks, and progress,plus couldn’t take  any negatives in his his hands and redirect them .Then I don’t know why ,he couldn’t get his star players on his side to implement and carry his system and ideology.

Which initself wasn’t to bad We sprang quick traps like now,but not very often,and without any seen or presented method. Enzo has always every week spoke to media,and fans outlets on his and the game philosophy,Rodgers was too much into his shell we had nothing to hang onto..

Enzo is becoming more likeable even on presumed negative play,by saying & then showing the fans there is method in his madness. Another reason the cynicity has dropped because of it..

One of our biggest example of proven difference,though not yet

completely solved..Our attacking corners quietly bring dividends,our defending of

corners has quietly improved from GK to B.line, solved most of the real catastrophes but still far from high standard.

Enzo has addressed it,mentioned it,where Rodgers didn’t utter one response.

 

Look at Potchettino , sprang too early,and now has to again rebuild expected legacy

Chelsea took him on realising that success of old won’t  wont be immediate..

Thats an experienced manager…

 

 

[shen]

18 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I wouldn’t even say Brighton are ahead of the chasing pack at the moment. They’ve had an iffy season I think. They’re probably towards the top of the chasing pack, but not ahead of it imo.

 

17 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

I kind of agree with @Happy Fox in that for all the high praise Brighton get (& especially on here) what have they done, where are they going & for how long?

There's a lot being said about their recruitment but this just seems to be a, get in quick so we can flip them, type of recruitment not so much to build a team for the longterm.
If we look beyond the stupid money they received last summer  (mostly from Caicedo) they received €195m they paid out €109m in incomings they did much the same the previous season with those incomings only staying 1 season.
Note that like us buying the Mahrez's, Kante's of the world it soon dry's up & the outlay starts to chip away at what you receive back in sales.

They currently sit 9th & i can see Chelsea over taking them shortly yet they have spent €109m there would be murders on here if lets say we had spent €109m in a single season & sat 9th & slipping.

The highest they have finished is 6th & that's the only time they have finished above us since they came back up, this was last season when we were relegated.
 

I see them very much like Southampton were long time ago churning out talent but not really getting anywhere or winning anything.

The only reason i mentioned Brighton is they now have a model & De Zerbi would be putting his recommendations in place for his successor not because i see them as long term top 6 chasers because we know it can't last for clubs like us, Brighton, West Ham, Brentford, Everton etc

 

16 minutes ago, ThumbsUp said:

This might be controversial but Brighton peaked last season. Gonna be a while before they get European football again.

They have come from virtually nowhere to becoming a model club that most other clubs in the same band are envying. 

Their transfers and scouting is one thing, but they have one of the hottest coaches in world football and even having sold key players, they are in the top half again. That is absolutely remarkable.

West Ham, Everton, Villa etc all have far more successful histories, fan bases and years at the top level, yet Brighton have caught up in a lot of important aspects.

 

As you mention, we and Southampton are examples of how difficult it is to sustain any advantage. It's also true that making big profits is getting tougher as Brighton's reputation is increasing, so buying cheap is getting harder and harder. But even here they're starting to show how they will adapt by buying more 'failsafe' players from more renowned clubs and academies, which should sustain their league performances over time.

 

Ferguson is the next touted superstar who will likely go for £100m+ and you can already predict the next few shoots.

 

To me, along with Brentford, they have a sustainable PL model that will give them the best chance of success and prosperity (until they lose their ways...?)

[Babylon]

50 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It's annoying that we have to wait for a manager with an elite mentality to move the club forwards, that's what our DOF should be doing.

 

Every time it's a coinflip hoping the gaffer can do the job of the DOF.

Who appointed said manger?

[Tommy G]

20 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

He is 43, his first manager job carrying his idea,

a club demanding another style hell or highwater…

Not too many politics to really worry about within club…

He will want first to start to build his system & legacy and various phases,

he has time here to kick start and advance his ideas.

The PL with a respected club,but not the swords edge of impatient top 6 bosses,

That positive kaleidoscope of creation and in 2-4 years,would be more willing

to sell his proven wares. First his apprenticeship and developement with us

in the PL,then after those 2-4 yrs more to offer with proven credibility and credentials. He can Test and tweak his ideas,without interference,plus with a clever

Canny outburst,wake up call,he’s probably turned more fans young n old into his way of thinking..but with first lower expectancies..Despite some doubts,we have

a decent squad to face that challenge..some positions need confirming and

a few with more quality cover.

 

In football your first steps can’t be double your wages

and commitments, the first steps in all team sport,is to spit against the wind.

Last years promoted sides,didn’t have that choice our player quality,nor a complete

squad pulling and playing for each other.There will be movement and base squad

will see natural losses,suprising resignings,and freshmeat,but I believe the backbone will stay. Plus exciting questions and queries will have to be answered

”On the job”, while spitting against the wind. Being a clever ass,saying this or that won’t work,is just has daft has me saying we have 7 top future quality stars & we will walk top 5. In sport it’s often first sit and wait for next phase progress,help and see it develope not putting in an irrelevant unsupportive boot..That only a forum

member will read, but creates a fanbase negative unreasonable agendas

and frustration..

Rodgers first thoughts ideology impressed us,but unlike Enzo he didn’t tweak or look to quietly implement any tweaks, and progress,plus couldn’t take  any negatives in his his hands and redirect them .Then I don’t know why ,he couldn’t get his star players on his side to implement and carry his system and ideology.

Which initself wasn’t to bad We sprang quick traps like now,but not very often,and without any seen or presented method. Enzo has always every week spoke to media,and fans outlets on his and the game philosophy,Rodgers was too much into his shell we had nothing to hang onto..

Enzo is becoming more likeable even on presumed negative play,by saying & then showing the fans there is method in his madness. Another reason the cynicity has dropped because of it..

One of our biggest example of proven difference,though not yet

completely solved..Our attacking corners quietly bring dividends,our defending of

corners has quietly improved from GK to B.line, solved most of the real catastrophes but still far from high standard.

Enzo has addressed it,mentioned it,where Rodgers didn’t utter one response.

 

Look at Potchettino , sprang too early,and now has to again rebuild expected legacy

Chelsea took him on realising that success of old won’t  wont be immediate..

Thats an experienced manager…

 

 

Whatever you’re on at midday Shakespeare I want some 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

21 minutes ago, shen said:

 

 

They have come from virtually nowhere to becoming a model club that most other clubs in the same band are envying. 

Their transfers and scouting is one thing, but they have one of the hottest coaches in world football and even having sold key players, they are in the top half again. That is absolutely remarkable.

West Ham, Everton, Villa etc all have far more successful histories, fan bases and years at the top level, yet Brighton have caught up in a lot of important aspects.

 

As you mention, we and Southampton are examples of how difficult it is to sustain any advantage. It's also true that making big profits is getting tougher as Brighton's reputation is increasing, so buying cheap is getting harder and harder. But even here they're starting to show how they will adapt by buying more 'failsafe' players from more renowned clubs and academies, which should sustain their league performances over time.

 

Ferguson is the next touted superstar who will likely go for £100m+ and you can already predict the next few shoots.

 

To me, along with Brentford, they have a sustainable PL model that will give them the best chance of success and prosperity (until they lose their ways...?)

All good points, but let’s where Brighton are in 3-4 years and then judge them against what we did