Steve Cooper - New Manager

[gurru991]

On 22/09/2024 at 02:46, Stadt said:

A loss would have been a great result if it meant he was sacked. We avoided one points deduction but we’ve got another in the dug out.

Under no condition will I wish for Leicester to lose.

[Stadt]

7 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Under no condition will I wish for Leicester to lose.

Cool

[FoxesTalker]

The first win is obviously a step forward but it's not really feeling like that to me. I've not come away from yesterday feeling more confident in Cooper, if anything it's the opposite based on that second half performance. To be fair, Bournemouth upped it and deserved at least a point, but it was far too defensive with a lack of ambition to go further ahead. If it continues this way, results are going to be few and far between. Going into this international break in 15th though means it's not been a terrible start, but also can't help thinking this result only serves to prolong Cooper's time here.

[trooky]

3 minutes ago, FoxesTalker said:

The first win is obviously a step forward but it's not really feeling like that to me. I've not come away from yesterday feeling more confident in Cooper, if anything it's the opposite based on that second half performance. To be fair, Bournemouth upped it and deserved at least a point, but it was far too defensive with a lack of ambition to go further ahead. If it continues this way, results are going to be few and far between. Going into this international break in 15th though means it's not been a terrible start, but also can't help thinking this result only serves to prolong Cooper's time here.

It's far too defensive but we're still allowing so many chances against us.

 

We're getting points based on moments of individual brilliance by the players.

 

It's all well and good setting up defensively but you've got to limit the chances against us, otherwise what is the point.

 

I would never want Leicester to lose but I wish we never appointed Cooper.

[FoxesTalker]

On 05/10/2024 at 11:14, Corky said:

Not sure it is. Yes, beating them is good for the fans but we really can't afford to lose the two games either side of it. Winning those but losing this is probably better, to be honest.

 

Given the run after Ipswich, failure to win any of the next four and we will likely be well adrift come the New Year.

Fair points made, would just add though wins in the next two against Southampton and Forest would go a long way in getting more fans onside with Cooper. That Forest game especially.

[bovril]

On 22/09/2024 at 09:46, Stadt said:

A loss would have been a great result if it meant he was sacked. We avoided one points deduction but we’ve got another in the dug out.

When I saw this quoted I thought it was about the game yesterday. 

 

I think the people around me must've thought I was a right miserable bastard coming out of the ground yesterday. Obviously it would've been traumatic to concede at the end but it was such a deflating win. Weird feeling at the full time whistle. 

[Stadt]

26 minutes ago, bovril said:

When I saw this quoted I thought it was about the game yesterday. 

 

I think the people around me must've thought I was a right miserable bastard coming out of the ground yesterday. Obviously it would've been traumatic to concede at the end but it was such a deflating win. Weird feeling at the full time whistle. 

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

[The whole world smiles]

On 22/09/2024 at 09:46, Stadt said:

A loss would have been a great result if it meant he was sacked. We avoided one points deduction but we’ve got another in the dug out.

So your paid your money went to the game and hoped they lose? How did you feel when the goal went in or at full time?

[Corky]

1 hour ago, FoxesTalker said:

Fair points made, would just add though wins in the next two against Southampton and Forest would go a long way in getting more fans onside with Cooper. That Forest game especially.

The win yesterday, despite the performance, has eased things a little. Southampton away is a good test of how well coached we are. If we sit on the back foot and invite pressure by a team with one point who we beat comfortably twice last season then it will fully say the is how we intend to play each week.

[Stadt]

1 hour ago, The whole world smiles said:

So your paid your money went to the game and hoped they lose? How did you feel when the goal went in or at full time?

I’m away this weekend so didn’t go. Once I’m in the ground naturally I want us to win but I want what’s best for us long term - pretty obvious Cooper with 1 win in 7 isn’t that.

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

But he’ll only be here all season if we win more than five or six games. If it looks like we’re heading for relegation, he’ll be sacked. His position is purely dependent on results, and so far ours have been better than five other teams. Until that changes he’s going nowhere. 

[gurru991]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

Wanting your team to lose badly is definitely not rational. 

Every point takes us closer to safety & every loss closer to relegation.

[grth2004]

Positives 

IF there's a mini Relegation League then we’re top of it right now going into the international break , so I’d say Coopers done his job although some people here won’t like to hear that here. 

[The whole world smiles]

6 hours ago, Stadt said:

I’m away this weekend so didn’t go. Once I’m in the ground naturally I want us to win but I want what’s best for us long term - pretty obvious Cooper with 1 win in 7 isn’t that.

Out of interest what changes when you get in the ground why the change?

[Foxmeister]

18 hours ago, Stadt said:

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

Hypothetically, if we go on a run, at what point would you start wanting us to win again with Cooper in charge?

[Jazzy_Jeff]

18 hours ago, Stadt said:

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

Will never understand any supporter wanting their team to lose.

 

I guarantee this attitude will change if he turns it around and we push up the table. 
 

There have been many examples over the years of managers starting poorly and then everything coming together. Not saying that is definitely going to happen but got to hope it will. 

[Supergray22]

19 hours ago, Stadt said:

During 22/23 I wanted to lose every game if it meant Rodgers got sacked. We did the losing part but not the sacking until it’s too late.

 

If Cooper is here all season we’ll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games - wanting a loss bad enough to warrant a sacking is quite rational. 

It really isn’t. 

[FoxesTalker]

23 hours ago, trooky said:

It's far too defensive but we're still allowing so many chances against us.

 

We're getting points based on moments of individual brilliance by the players.

 

It's all well and good setting up defensively but you've got to limit the chances against us, otherwise what is the point.

 

I would never want Leicester to lose but I wish we never appointed Cooper.

Good few points made here.

[FoxesTalker]

On 05/10/2024 at 10:17, The Doctor said:

unfortunately so, and ngl it makes going to games feel less appealing. like if it was any negative result got rid of the clown then it'd be at least a win-win regardless of the outcome, either we win or take solace in being rid of him, but in reality we'll get neither, another narrow defeat where we rally when the games already lost but the board keep faith in him

Like I've said in a separate post, it feels like the Bournemouth result only serves to prolong his time here. Hopefully it's different to that and the first win actually builds some momentum from now on in.

 

Edited 7 October 2024 by FoxesTalker

[Tommy G]

There was talk of us not making derbys points record and we're half way there, not saying this a barometer of success as it isn't, it's just how pessimistic this place was before a ball was kicked. 

 

Despite his personnel changes, dodgy subs and backs to the wall tactics we have been in every game and competiting. Hopefully we can build on this as the players gel 

[Spudulike]

I think we've got 6 points more than we had after the first 7 games the last time we were in the premier League. Cooper wouldn't have been my choice and not just because of the NottsF baggage. This season was always going to be a struggle whoever got the job. Never expected it to be pretty but I enjoyed the grit (and luck) to hold on for the win. I'm not downhearted and it's good to go into an international break on the back of a win.

[Clever Fox]

I think leaving out Winks was the right decision as he hasn't been at his best recently. He doesn't seem quite fit enough.

I do think that we could have used him in an advanced role in the hole to retain better possession of the Ball second half. Giving the defence a chance to breath and get back into shape.

The other plus is that Okoli is looking like a good signing and getting better with each game.

The next 3 games are crucial.

Edited 7 October 2024 by Clever Fox
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[Chrysalis]

5 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I think we've got 6 points more than we had after the first 7 games the last time we were in the premier League. Cooper wouldn't have been my choice and not just because of the NottsF baggage. This season was always going to be a struggle whoever got the job. Never expected it to be pretty but I enjoyed the grit (and luck) to hold on for the win. I'm not downhearted and it's good to go into an international break on the back of a win.

Massively better goal difference as well.

[OntarioFox]

23 hours ago, grth2004 said:

Positives 

IF there's a mini Relegation League then we’re top of it right now going into the international break , so I’d say Coopers done his job although some people here won’t like to hear that here. 

Think this is where I sit. Before he was even appointed, 95% of people on here would have bitten one anothers' hand off in some sort of bizarre mass-hand-sacrifice ritual if it got us a 17th place finish and safety.

 

The 'Coward Cooper' moniker is valid. His insistence on either shutting up shop or inviting pressure is frustrating, especially after being so in control last season. And it's undeniably cost us points against Palace and Everton.

 

My issue is the short memories. There's been a lot of revisionism as to what our expectations actually were since the loss of Maresca, KDH, and the dark cloud of PSR forced us into selecting Cooper largely because nobody else fancied the job and was in-budget (Potter is never coming, he's turned us down twice now, get over it).

 

The blunt fact of the matter is that we sit 15th and now have a full 3-point buffer to the relegation zone. Our GD is the best of the mini-league we find ourselves in - largely down to Mads' heroics, but I honestly think we've been defending well in the circumstances save for a handful of brainfarts at Arsenal and Fulham respectively. Most other goals have been the sort I've seen enough times that you shrug your shoulders and think 'fair enough, that was well-worked'. It's the Prem, the step up in quality is real.

 

Already a few 'what ifs' that aren't our fault at all - Vardy being blatantly fouled at Arsenal, the bullshit non-offside at Palace for starters. One can begin to question if there really is a vendetta against us, but then on the other hand all the marginal calls went our way against Bournemouth so yaknow...

 

Objectively, as ugly as it is Cooper has met expectations so far, and our start hasn't been the kindest. Both North London clubs, a Fulham side with the sort of quality we used to have before we collapsed, the best Villa side in 2 decades who are in the Champions League on merit. We have competed in all those games.

 

The footy has been garbage at times. I do a bit of sick in my mouth seeing Soumare not only in the squad in 2024, but getting gametime. The freezing out of Ricky P baffles the mind.

 

But am I being naive to think that performances are improving? The first 45 was our best all season. The actual passages of play when we make them are very good. We were composed passing out from the back under pressure from a team with a notoriously strong press, we made gaps and created chances. Buonanotte's goal was Cooper's tactics in action - those one-twos and overloads are how he did it at Forest. If Vardy hadn't had a rare brainfart we'd have been 2-0 up and cruising before half time.

 

The real test for Cooper is to have the balls to gamble and try to kill games off when we're ahead, because that criticism is totally valid. Arsenal, however, showed that we've got some proper fight in us when needed - again, I think that second half was very good and we almost salvaged an unthinkable point.

 

Side point but while I'm clearly in the minority on FT in thinking we should stick with it, I'm not hearing the level of unrest at the games that I do on here. First time I've seen this place as a bit of an echo chamber, been genuinely surprised at the level of vitriol.

Edited 7 October 2024 by OntarioFox
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[pmcla26]

5 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

I think leaving out Winks was the right decision as he hasn't been at his best recently. He doesn't seem quite fit enough.

I do think that we could have used him in an advanced role in the hole to retain better possession of the Ball second half. Giving the defence a chance to breath and get back into shape.

The other plus is that Okoli is looking like a good signing and getting better with each game.

The next 3 games are crucial.

Winks has been poor in a double pivot for years. He's very good as a lone 6, but not suited to play elsewhere.