Bobby De Cordova-Reid joins permanently - Official

[davieG]

19 minutes ago, surrifox said:

In the pantheon of shite signings he makes Ryan Bertrand look like a shrewd bit of business 

Especially when Bertrand was injured 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

No chance we scouted the likes of Bobby Reid and Ayew they were clearly Cooper’s choices…

Why is there no chance?

 

If the manager comes in and says he wants to focus on premier league experienced players, and if we don't have a giant budget, these are the sorts of players they are going to come back with, along with loans. They scout to the requirements in place, no point coming back and saying sign Eze is there.

 

Nobody thought they were amazin players, they are a bi product of the situation we were in and the managers desire for some experienced players. 

[Sunbury Fox]

Giving this guy a 3-year contract is arguably the very worst decision the club has made over recent seasons - and that says a lot given how many bad decisions we’ve made in that time.

Edited 31 October 2024 by Sunbury Fox

[whoareyaaa]

We should have just kept Mcateer in the squad instead of giving this guy 3 years 

[Wolfox]

Just now, Stadt said:

It wasn’t well hit. Connection was poor and I think it’s saved more often than not 

Hmmmh…. So poor, that it flew into the bottom right hand corner… Any other player hits and it’s beautifully taken!  Maybe I’m guilty of seeing what I want to see?!

 

Ayew has been just fine in my opinion…

 

Anyway…. He wasn’t a popular signing and that sticks to a degree…

[Stadt]

5 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

Hmmmh…. So poor, that it flew into the bottom right hand corner… Any other player hits and it’s beautifully taken!  Maybe I’m guilty of seeing what I want to see?!

 

Ayew has been just fine in my opinion…

 

Anyway…. He wasn’t a popular signing and that sticks to a degree…

Flew into the bottom right? I’d be fuming if Hermansen didn’t save that if the situation was reversed. I forgot Ayew should have been punished for a shirt pull in the box too.

 

[The Doctor]

10 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

Hmmmh…. So poor, that it flew into the bottom right hand corner… Any other player hits and it’s beautifully taken!  Maybe I’m guilty of seeing what I want to see?!

 

Ayew has been just fine in my opinion…

 

Anyway…. He wasn’t a popular signing and that sticks to a degree…

he scuffed it into the ground and a competent keeper would have got a stronger hand to it to stop it, rather than the limp wrist that their keeper did. dude was lucky to score.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

3 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Flew into the bottom right? I’d be fuming if Hermansen didn’t save that if the situation was reversed. I forgot Ayew should have been punished for a shirt pull in the box too.

 

 

He nearly broke the net with that, I don't know what you're watching pal!

[Cameron Davidson]

Hate to join in the pile on, but what a terrible game they had yesterday. They only time I noticed him playing was a shot that went out nearly for a throw in. The commentators even said they guessed that was meant to be a shot. Just watched the Fulham goodbye video, and either he's dropped off massively, or those are just lucky bits over a 5 year window. Thoughts? 

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

We should have just kept Mcateer in the squad instead of giving this guy 3 years 

Mcateer is terrible as well and got a new contract. 

[ceebeefox]

I watched all the game and, genuinely, if he hadn’t been on camera walking back to the tunnel at halftime would not have known he was playing. Also that was in a team that played most of the football….. but not threatening the goal much obviously.

[Wolfox]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Flew into the bottom right? I’d be fuming if Hermansen didn’t save that if the situation was reversed. I forgot Ayew should have been punished for a shirt pull in the box too.

 

 

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

he scuffed it into the ground and a competent keeper would have got a stronger hand to it to stop it, rather than the limp wrist that their keeper did. dude was lucky to score.

Well…. I guess I’m guilty of seeing what I want to see…. Nice hit!  Not the perfect hit, but a nice hit 👍🏼 

 

2 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

He nearly broke the net with that, I don't know what you're watching pal!

My man !

[Kilworthfox]

10 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

No chance we scouted the likes of Bobby Reid and Ayew they were clearly Cooper’s choices…

My statement is factually correct. This isn't about Cooper, its about modern football, and how big clubs go about their recruiting. As poor as he is, its irrelevant, he wasn't signed because of the manager, as the manager doesn't have that power at the club. 

[Kilworthfox]

You don't have to be  ITK to understand why BDR was signed. 

 

The answer is because at the time of his signing, the club knew there was a possibility that they would be docked points by the PL, this may have a huge possibility of putting them back into the championship. Hence we signed players to a contract where they may be able to play prem minutes, but also are covering the possibility of having a better than average player for the Championship if we needed to make a return. 

 

Not that I personally believe BDR is a good signing! You have to be fair to him. He has not had a lot of match fitness building up to this game, and he was asked to do a job against a decent side, ok he was shit, but he cant be written off just on 1 performance. We as a club obviously have not prioritised this competition, otherwise he and others in the starting line up wouldn't have been in that X11. 

 

Cooper put him, Ward, Coady, Thomas, Soumare, BELK, and the subs, in a game which is a no lose gamble for him. SC isn't going to be judged on 1 cup match away at Old Trafford, but he will be judged if we are in the bottom 3 of the Prem in January / February. 

[Paninistickers]

8 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

, he wasn't signed because of the manager, as the manager doesn't have that power at the club. 

Dunno how you can be quite so sure. 

 

The only similar signings I can recall are 

 

Ryan Bennett, an emergency loan 

Coady - signed for the championship and essentially to captain us back up 

Vestergaard - emergency panic signing to cover Fofana

 

Even last summer, the scouting was still fairly solid. Mads (possible identified by Man City and Enzo brought that knowledge), Stephy, Fatawu, Yunis and Tom Cannon. A very decent window. Also we had Soule on the radar and that other Italian lad this summer. 

 

Buonnotte, Okoli both wreak of the scouts. 

 

Ayew, Eduardo and BdcR go against the grain. Cooper surely had his influence 

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

but he cant be written off just on 1 performance. W

It's not one performance. He's been woeful, worse than woeful, in every single appearance. Either from the start or off the bench. 

[whoareyaaa]

We should have just got Yunus instead of BDCR and Ayew

[Kilworthfox]

14 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Dunno how you can be quite so sure. 

 

The only similar signings I can recall are 

 

Ryan Bennett, an emergency loan 

Coady - signed for the championship and essentially to captain us back up 

Vestergaard - emergency panic signing to cover Fofana

 

Even last summer, the scouting was still fairly solid. Mads (possible identified by Man City and Enzo brought that knowledge), Stephy, Fatawu, Yunis and Tom Cannon. A very decent window. Also we had Soule on the radar and that other Italian lad this summer. 

 

Buonnotte, Okoli both wreak of the scouts. 

 

Ayew, Eduardo and BdcR go against the grain. Cooper surely had his influence 

I am not going to answer that. 

 

Very similar to Bertrand actually, but the clubs situation, were very different if comparing those 2 signings.

 

I am sure everyone here accepts that there is a whole department that works on identifying and evaluating targets. Then it makes recommendations. There are whole presentations made up for each "project" as we are spending "usually" millions on fees and wages. 1 man does not do all this work and then manage the first team. The industry and this club have grown massively, you all know this. So the idea lets say of championship / football manager is obsolete unless you go down the divisions and down the resources.

 

Believe me the club loves to hire staff! They all have their roles, and the manager may have an opinion on each project, but he does not dictate player policy or sign off anything that is the Director of Footballs job. 

[Kilworthfox]

20 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

It's not one performance. He's been woeful, worse than woeful, in every single appearance. Either from the start or off the bench. 

Agreed, but really I was speaking generally 

 

I thought Zsolt laczko was going to be the new Ronaldo, works both ways I guess... 

[Paninistickers]

11 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

I am not going to answer that. 

 

Very similar to Bertrand actually, but the clubs situation, were very different if comparing those 2 signings.

 

I am sure everyone here accepts that there is a whole department that works on identifying and evaluating targets. Then it makes recommendations. There are whole presentations made up for each "project" as we are spending "usually" millions on fees and wages. 1 man does not do all this work and then manage the first team. The industry and this club have grown massively, you all know this. So the idea lets say of championship / football manager is obsolete unless you go down the divisions and down the resources.

 

Believe me the club loves to hire staff! They all have their roles, and the manager may have an opinion on each project, but he does not dictate player policy or sign off anything that is the Director of Footballs job. 

Ok, let's assume you are right. Why play him? 

 

No amount of scouting can erode his dreadful performances so far this season. Dreadful isn't fair. His performances have been non existent. I've never seen a professional footballer at the top two levels offer so little. 

[CosbehFox]

17 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

I am not going to answer that. 

 

Very similar to Bertrand actually, but the clubs situation, were very different if comparing those 2 signings.

 

I am sure everyone here accepts that there is a whole department that works on identifying and evaluating targets. Then it makes recommendations. There are whole presentations made up for each "project" as we are spending "usually" millions on fees and wages. 1 man does not do all this work and then manage the first team. The industry and this club have grown massively, you all know this. So the idea lets say of championship / football manager is obsolete unless you go down the divisions and down the resources.

 

Believe me the club loves to hire staff! They all have their roles, and the manager may have an opinion on each project, but he does not dictate player policy or sign off anything that is the Director of Footballs job. 

Interesting given your closeness to the club and the opinion of others on here 

[Kilworthfox]

9 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Ok, let's assume you are right. Why play him? 

 

No amount of scouting can erode his dreadful performances so far this season. Dreadful isn't fair. His performances have been non existent. I've never seen a professional footballer at the top two levels offer so little. 

I am not in conflict with your opinions. 

 

I do not confess to knowing the managers reason for squad selection.

 

I do however understand the clubs priority is to remain in the top division!

[Kilworthfox]

20 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Interesting given your closeness to the club and the opinion of others on here 

I chime in when I believe there is something inaccurate being written and direct the convo back. There are a lot of over complications written here, I feel that they are born from frustrations. Believe it or not everything is Coopers fault 

 

It is generally the director of football at all clubs who is responsible for all of the football business. I am aware this is a simple statement. 

 

Coppers situation isn't too dissimilar to BDR. 

 

If the world had the foresight of our new reality after we learned that we have no points deductions, do you think more managers (and players) would have seen Leicester as a more enticing challenge for this coming season? Obviously YES! I think we have seen enough to suggest there are 3 worse teams than LCFC. This is what this season is all about. 

Edited 31 October 2024 by Kilworthfox

[Tommy Fresh]

5 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Mcateer is terrible as well and got a new contract. 

He's probably on considerably less, and has some kind of value when we want to move him on

[lcfcsnow]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

he wasn't signed because of the manager, as the manager doesn't have that power at the club. 

He obviously was, Cooper spent all summer desperate for experience and good appearance records, even Coady alluded to it in pre season saying he was the teachers pet.