Cooper - OUT

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, BlackFox said:

Those who defend him remind me of those who defended BR in his last season, and we all know how that ended. 

At least make an argument one way or the other, maybe just say "Baaah"   ?  

 

 

[BlackFox]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

At least make an argument one way or the other, maybe just say "Baaah"   ?  

 

 

Sorry,  Baaah 🤦🏿‍♂️

[KP Fox]

26 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Are you suggesting you are enthused and optimistic about the way we are set up and play under Cooper. Yes, it's all about goals, but for the most part we don't look like scoring many. Yes I understand we've scored in every game, but it's not as though we look like we could score at will. Luck is likely to change, goals could dry up and opposing teams take their chances. I hope I'm wrong, but the players don't look inspired by the tactics deployed and as a fee paying supporter, it's not that great to watch.

I am enthusiastic about the fact that we are going to be staying up at the end of this season! You miserable farkers can cry in your beer or hang yourselves because of your doom and gloom but let the rest of us get behind the manager and the players. We have been spoilt at this club with the success we've had. You don't realise how good we have had it! Forest, Notts County, Derby, Coventry, Birmingham, Villa and Wolves would love a fraction of the joy that we have had in the last 20 years. If the negative cvnts don't like it why don't they go and support MAN City or Chelsea? 

[ForestAreMagic]

You won’t care what us Trees think, but I think I and many others will be right.  I’ve always thought you’ll stay up with Cooper, beat some big teams at home in the process (and probably us too) but you’ll rarely be thrilled by the football 

 

TBF my numerous leicester mates are generally more positive about him than I read online.  They just want to stay up.  

[MGLCFC]

2 hours ago, KP Fox said:

I am enthusiastic about the fact that we are going to be staying up at the end of this season! You miserable farkers can cry in your beer or hang yourselves because of your doom and gloom but let the rest of us get behind the manager and the players. We have been spoilt at this club with the success we've had. You don't realise how good we have had it! Forest, Notts County, Derby, Coventry, Birmingham, Villa and Wolves would love a fraction of the joy that we have had in the last 20 years. If the negative cvnts don't like it why don't they go and support MAN City or Chelsea? 

It's not about realising how good we've had it over the last 10 years, it's about the now. Of course I want my team to be successful. I support them for the 90 odd minutes on the pitch. It's not the team I have an issue with, I think they genuinely give it their all, it's how they are being coached and game management that I'm concerned with. Fair play to him if luck stays on his side throughout the season and he keeps us up. However, suggesting people are cvnts who express a difference of opinion, IMO,  just shows a poor understanding of how a discussion forum should operate.

Edited 6 October 2024 by MGLCFC

[ForestAreMagic]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

From my perspective, he's not ever convincing any of his he's any solution to anything.

 

But it's probably an unpopular opinion, but i think he keeps us up this season and i think he does it a little more comfortably than many of us currently think. I really want him to unleash the best attacking team we have, but it pains me to agree that he is right playing Ayew, and being difficult to beat isn't a bad thing right now. We've been largely dog turd but competitive, and after 7 games i think being competitive and sitting 15th isn't a bad thing.  I have to remember the absolute drubbings we took in the relegation season, and think we are currently sitting better than then.

 

I would like to think the trajectory is survival this season, replace Cooper next season with some good recruitment and some of our youth coming through, and we start competing for mid table again. I don't see Cooper ever getting us mid table.

Cooper seems to have learned since his first 3 months in the Prem with us - the wuppings have stopped.  It’ll be interesting to see how he does away from home with you - seems like you’ve been competitive so far 

 

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, ForestAreMagic said:

Cooper seems to have learned since his first 3 months in the Prem with us - the wuppings have stopped.  It’ll be interesting to see how he does away from home with you - seems like you’ve been competitive so far 

 

But is turd, the football is awful.  I hope he is the guy to keep us up and we get some one with some imagination next season......wayne rooney's lcfc

[Samilktray]

32 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

I am enthusiastic about the fact that we are going to be staying up at the end of this season! You miserable farkers can cry in your beer or hang yourselves because of your doom and gloom but let the rest of us get behind the manager and the players. We have been spoilt at this club with the success we've had. You don't realise how good we have had it! Forest, Notts County, Derby, Coventry, Birmingham, Villa and Wolves would love a fraction of the joy that we have had in the last 20 years. If the negative cvnts don't like it why don't they go and support MAN City or Chelsea? 

Strange chap you are 

[Craig]

24 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:

You won’t care what us Trees think, but I think I and many others will be right.  I’ve always thought you’ll stay up with Cooper, beat some big teams at home in the process (and probably us too) but you’ll rarely be thrilled by the football 

 

TBF my numerous leicester mates are generally more positive about him than I read online.  They just want to stay up.  

We all want to stay up, but some/most of us can see the same mistakes happening before our eyes week after week (even yesterday in victory). 

 

I like Cooper. He seems a decent enough chap and he generally speaks very well, but his team selections and in-game management are absolutely diabolical. That's before even speaking about the lack of any identity (except battling). 

 

From what I've read from his time at Forest in the Premier League these seem to be consistent traits.

 

 

Edited 6 October 2024 by Craig

[Corky]

17 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:

Cooper seems to have learned since his first 3 months in the Prem with us - the wuppings have stopped.  It’ll be interesting to see how he does away from home with you - seems like you’ve been competitive so far 

 

Tottenham could have been a thumping. Arsenal should have been.

 

Our next two away games are Southampton and Ipswich and are huge. The general stats are not good but who knows, a win might lift things. But we need to improve at both ends of the pitch.

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I think we've been competitive, we've always been in games and we're around the points I expected us to be on at this point.

 

Listen, it's not all rosy under Cooper, questions can be asked and things have got to improve, but I don't quite understand the mass hysteria, pissing and moaning, not when so much has been let go for years!

I think it's partly because letting stuff go under Rodgers shafted us. Cooper's probably getting more heat because of the relegation season and the change in style from last year.

 

For me it's because these first few matches have served up some of the most desperately poor halves of football that I've seen in over a decade. We're not playing good football by any stretch of the imagination, and there are credible concerns about Cooper's game management and player selections.

 

 

Edited 6 October 2024 by Bourbon Fox

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, KP Fox said:

Yes I am farken serious! We got relegated because of a previous manager's inability to keep hold of a world class goalkeeper and then he stubbornly kept playing Ward instead of Iverson and then to top it all off he only goes and takes the afore mentioned world class goalkeeper to Farken Celtic! 

It's sad that one of the standout positives of our manager is that he selects the best keeper in the squad, and hasn't yet got us relegated.

 

 

1 hour ago, KP Fox said:

You can stick the post, the bar, the disallowed goals and missed sitters up your ar$e coz it’s actual goals that count and those goals scored gives you results and this is a results business and we are unbeaten in 7 out of 10 matches in all competitions this season! 

 

Now now. 

We've got a goal difference of -3.

We're not hard to beat.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

3 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

I think it's partly because letting stuff go under Rodgers shafted us. Cooper's probably getting more heat because of the relegation season and the change in style from last year.

 

For me it's because these first few matches have served up some of the most desperately poor halves of football that I've seen in over a decade. We're not playing good football by any stretch of the imagination. 

 

 

Honestly, Cooper is getting heat because of his poor team selection and the fact he won't put in substitutes until after the 80th minute.

 

If you want to bring up Rodgers, in that bastard's problem was that during every game, I asked "Is he trying to lose???" Great managers win when I ask that, because they are better than me. Rodgers lost.

 

Cooper? I ask "Is he trying to lose? (Not score again? Not escape having gone below? Etc, etc)" And - aside from yesterday, where we were lucky - he achieved the horrible thing I wondered if he was trying to achieve.

 

Get him out!

[Unabomber]

It’s obviously not going to end well. Get rid now to not delay the inevitable. 

[Vardyshardy]

46 minutes ago, ForestAreMagic said:

You won’t care what us Trees think, but I think I and many others will be right.  I’ve always thought you’ll stay up with Cooper, beat some big teams at home in the process (and probably us too) but you’ll rarely be thrilled by the football 

 

TBF my numerous leicester mates are generally more positive about him than I read online.  They just want to stay up.  

I think in theory you are right and I’d imagine that’s why the board won’t sack him. I’d have thought the target, as for any promoted team, is safety which at the moment we have. 
We as fans may be bored and not like the style but if he’s hitting a target that may have been set it’d be harsh to get rid. 

Edited 6 October 2024 by Vardyshardy

[Bourbon Fox]

3 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

Honestly, Cooper is getting heat because of his poor team selection and the fact he won't put in substitutes until after the 80th minute.

 

If you want to bring up Rodgers, in that bastard's problem was that during every game, I asked "Is he trying to lose???" Great managers win when I ask that, because they are better than me. Rodgers lost.

 

Cooper? I ask "Is he trying to lose? (Not score again? Not escape having gone below? Etc, etc)" And - aside from yesterday, where we were lucky - he achieved the horrible thing I wondered if he was trying to achieve.

 

Get him out!

Apparently you are wrong because we just recorded our first win 1-0 against Bournemouth with an xG of 0.65 vs 1.44

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

Just now, Bourbon Fox said:

Apparently you are wrong because we just recorded our first win 1-0 against Bournemouth with an xG of 0.65 vs 1.44

Yawn. Off the post...then off the post. Ad nauseam... it was horrible.

[FrankieADZ]

the thing with Cooper, the things hes massively lacking atm he could have easily improved upon when he was away from the game, 

 

and setting out not to lose aint gonna work all the time, playing Ayew forever and a day isnt the solution at times either, as at times he seems as creative as a fart in the wind

[jim5000]

8 hours ago, shailen said:

Yes but we haven't conceded that many goals and have been competitive in every game. If you sit deep, naturally you'll have more shots against you which will rack up the xG. 

 

We probably also have a weaker squad than the one we had last year, so we're gonna have to expect to be second best and ride our luck in most games.

I mean, what you’re saying, given this started with you saying we haven’t been battered every game is now ‘we should expect to get battered every game, that’s why we sit deep and try to weather the storm’.

 

But that’s just poor tactics. It’s accepting that we are worse than the opposition when that’s not true. There is no reason why we need to leave Vardy isolated up front and just sit back and defend for 90 minutes and hope to nick something.

 

Negative tactics, unless they are exceptionally well drilled, and crucially have a positive outlet, generally don’t work.

 

We were 2x the woodwork and 1x minimal offside decision away from letting in 3 goals yesterday, and against other teams at the bottom, there is no need to play in such a passive and negative way.

 

I also reject the notion that our squad is worse than last years. Deesbury-Hall is the only player of note to have left and I doubt very much that if we still had Kiernon, Cooper would be serving us up swashbuckling attacking football.

[jim5000]

1 hour ago, MGLCFC said:

It's not about realising how good we've had it over the last 10 years, it's about the now. Of course I want my team to be successful. I support them for the 90 odd minutes on the pitch. It's not the team I have an issue with, I think they genuinely give it their all, it's how they are being coached and game management that I'm concerned with. Fair play to him if luck stays on his side throughout the season and he keeps us up. However, suggesting people are cvnts who express a difference of opinion, to me,  just shows a poor understanding of how a discussion forum should operate.

And even if Cooper keeps us up, that will likely lead to another season of Cooper football - I.e. skirting around the bottom of the table saying how brave we are to not finish in the last three.

 

Cooper is out of his depth. He is not a Premier League manager. He doesn’t have the tactical nouse or a way of playing, or know how to coach footballers to be better than the sum of their parts that it takes to be a success at the top.

 

He is a clogger, he expects players to take responsibility because he can’t coach them into a system. Enthusatism and motivation will only get you so far, you need a system and a way of coaching it to succeed in the Premier League.

 

Cooper is not a long term solution, he was all we could afford and the only person that would come with the points deduction hanging over us.

 

Its catch-22, if we stay up we keep him, but he will never be better than 16th or 17th in the Prem and our owners are to loyal to sack him if he’s keeping us up. 

There should be more ambition than bobbing along at the bottom of the premier league, and our history shows us that ambition does not have to be misguided or foolish or a bad thing.

[HankMarvin]

If he allows Ipswich and Southampton to amass 30 plus shots, he deserves the bullet.

 

[foxinsox]

It's a bit crazy stat time, but yesterday wasn't only our first win, it was the first win for any of the three promoted teams.

 

The gap has become huge.

[Beachyboy]

9 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

And even if Cooper keeps us up, that will likely lead to another season of Cooper football - I.e. skirting around the bottom of the table saying how brave we are to not finish in the last three.

 

Cooper is out of his depth. He is not a Premier League manager. He doesn’t have the tactical nouse or a way of playing, or know how to coach footballers to be better than the sum of their parts that it takes to be a success at the top.

 

He is a clogger, he expects players to take responsibility because he can’t coach them into a system. Enthusatism and motivation will only get you so far, you need a system and a way of coaching it to succeed in the Premier League.

 

Cooper is not a long term solution, he was all we could afford and the only person that would come with the points deduction hanging over us.

 

Its catch-22, if we stay up we keep him, but he will never be better than 16th or 17th in the Prem and our owners are to loyal to sack him if he’s keeping us up. 

There should be more ambition than bobbing along at the bottom of the premier league, and our history shows us that ambition does not have to be misguided or foolish or a bad thing.

The owners want to be back where we were which wasn't surviving, they recognise surviving is the first step to getting back where we were. They sacked Puel while mid table, if there comes a time when Cooper has taken us as far as he can they will have no hesitation to get rid. I'd be surprised if he was here this time next year.

[foxinsox]

I am happy to see the back of Cooper, but let's get someone lined up to replace him first with some creativity and plan.

 

I don't want a caretaker for a month while we futz about.

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, foxinsox said:

It's a bit crazy stat time, but yesterday wasn't only our first win, it was the first win for any of the three promoted teams.

 

The gap has become huge.

1 win in 21 games for the promoted three is a red flag, definitely. That said, we should have opened up more of a gap than we have given the relative resources and squads we had compared to Southampton and Ipswich.