Cooper - OUT

[BluethroughtheMiddle]

I reckon there is some humble pie in the oven being baked.

[Wolfox]

1 minute ago, BluethroughtheMiddle said:

I reckon there is some humble pie in the oven being baked.

I reckon it’s like being a Trump supporter…. No matter how loony your position appears to be to average sane person, You’re fully committed to holding your view and are fully committed to storming the capitol building and see Cooper strung up…. Yea ha!!!

[sbfox]

So... Having listened to his post match interview round, I'm getting the impression that he's very, very good at bringing young players through and developing their mentality (see his comments on Abdul and it not being a straight path to becoming a Premier league footballer).

 

If, big if, we can stay up, I think we might be well placed to kick on next year. 

[TonyN11]

Has he gone yet?

[orangecity23]

3 minutes ago, sbfox said:

So... Having listened to his post match interview round, I'm getting the impression that he's very, very good at bringing young players through and developing their mentality (see his comments on Abdul and it not being a straight path to becoming a Premier league footballer).

 

If, big if, we can stay up, I think we might be well placed to kick on next year. 

I got the impression that he was Billy bullshitting to explain away the 2 minute sub appearance vs Everton, and bringing him on in stoppage time against Arsenal, what a great development experience that was. He might be ready to actually start a game next year, we'll have to drop Mavididi or Buonanotte first though, couldn't possibly have all 3 start at the same time, not when the starting game plan that puts you *checks notes* 2 goals down against the worst team in the league is working so well.

 

EDIT - just like that crap at the start of the season where BDCR was starting instead of Mavididi, or the spell of a few games where Buonanotte didn't start. Were either of those decisions justified or tactical brilliance, or just rank stupidity leaving out some of our best players for no good reason?

Edited 19 October 2024 by orangecity23

[Bryn]

I think. That he's not a great manager. But I think he's doing a decent job. I know there's consistent decisions we don't agree with and some of the signings are questionable (Bobby DCR is patently shit, though Ayew has a sort of clumsy effectiveness about him). But right now I don't think binning him off is the right call, much as I cannot see him being the manager that establishes Leicester in the PL. The players respond to something about him, we are consistently pretty excellent in the second half.

A bit of me thinks he oversubscribes to the modern idea of substitutes being finishers, not replacements. Making a deliberate choice to leave top players on the bench to bring them on the finish the game off. There's some merit to it, think. But I dunno. We start games so poorly.

[Finnegan]

3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Enzo ball was poor

 

[shailen]

3 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Sorry but I disagree with this.

 

We were pants at home to Villa and played scared at Fulham too.

 

We were EXTREMELY lucky not to lose 9-1 against Arsenal and didn’t deserve to draw against Bournemouth, let alone win.

 

Cooper is not doing ‘great’ with this squad. 
 

Points obtained it is below par for me, looking at our fixtures we should be on 10-11 pts and be putting in better performances.

 

Squad we have is better than just 17th. 
 

 

We may have ‘been in every game’ but can you honestly say that over 90(+10mins) in any of them we have been solidly better than the other team? 
 

The Winks and Fatawu situation on top of the JJ leaks point towards a quite dysfunctional dressing room. 
 

We should be asking for more, the players think the same too. 

Apart from maybe a couple of teams, we do not have the same quality as the opposition we are facing. 10/11 points after 8 games would be ambitious, so to rack up 9 points is a good return which will see us comfortably survive if we replicate that.

 

We all need a dose of reality. We aren't the same Leicester city that we were or will it be the same as last season. We're not going to dominate games, we will have to ride our luck and take the chances we have. This season is all about just surviving. We can't run before we can walk.

[SecretPro]

Did somebody hand out FoxesTalk flyers to the happy clappy Brendy' bunch at the last home game or something because this thread is full of people I've never seen post before telling me how fantastic Cooper is and how rubbish the actual football coach Enzo Maresca was, or has Rudkin gone down the Russian bott route? 

Edited 20 October 2024 by SecretPro

[trabuch]

21 minutes ago, shailen said:

Apart from maybe a couple of teams, we do not have the same quality as the opposition we are facing. 10/11 points after 8 games would be ambitious, so to rack up 9 points is a good return which will see us comfortably survive if we replicate that.

 

We all need a dose of reality. We aren't the same Leicester city that we were or will it be the same as last season. We're not going to dominate games, we will have to ride our luck and take the chances we have. This season is all about just surviving. We can't run before we can walk.

That may well be true. But it would be a help if he picked a better starting line up. What does "He [Fatawu] is transitioning into a Premier league player, and that's not always a straightforward process" actually mean? Sounds like the ramblings of someone who is a teeny bit clueless and is making excuses for his blatantly obvious poor decision making. Oh - and how many goals do we have to concede that have come from the opposition's left hand side before the daft twat spots that?

Edited 19 October 2024 by trabuch

[CH1_Fox]

Tactically all over the shop. Starting XI often puzzling. I’m as big a Steve Cooper critic as anyone but he’s clearly doing something right, the graft and mentality has been decent since game 1. With some poor sides in the division, that probably keeps us up 

[shailen]

14 minutes ago, trabuch said:

That may well be true. But it would be a help if he picked a better starting line up. What does "He [Fatawu] is transitioning into a Premier league player, and that's not always a straightforward process" actually mean? Sounds like the ramblings of someone who is a teeny bit clueless and is making excuses for his blatantly obvious poor decision making. Oh - and how many goals do we have to concede that have come from the opposition's left hand side before the daft twat spots that?

I'm not saying he's perfect but I do feel his style of football he plays gives us the best chance of surviving. His interviews are a bit odd but I can excuse him for that when he's delivering.

 

Yes we have conceded from the right hand side far too many but do we lose attacking players trying to plug that hole. Ayew would protect that side well, but we lose something going forward, so it's a balancing act.

[trabuch]

6 minutes ago, shailen said:

I'm not saying he's perfect but I do feel his style of football he plays gives us the best chance of surviving. His interviews are a bit odd but I can excuse him for that when he's delivering.

 

Yes we have conceded from the right hand side far too many but do we lose attacking players trying to plug that hole. Ayew would protect that side well, but we lose something going forward, so it's a balancing act.

He's got something. I just don't know what it is! I fully expect to see Ricardo playing at some point - and smashing it like the old days. I thought Winks made a fair bit of a difference today too.  It was a great game - just bad for my blood pressure for many reasons.

Edited 19 October 2024 by trabuch

[orangecity23]

Just now, shailen said:

I'm not saying he's perfect but I do feel his style of football he plays gives us the best chance of surviving. His interviews are a bit odd but I can excuse him for that when he's delivering.

 

Yes we have conceded from the right hand side far too many but do we lose attacking players trying to plug that hole. Ayew would protect that side well, but we lose something going forward, so it's a balancing act.

If only we had a right winger who posed a massive threat going forward, like that Fatawu guy who came on today, but who also had great defensive stats, workrate, and puts in a real shift covering the right back - a bit like that Fatawu guy we had on loan last year. Would really balance the team out, with a player like that on the right, and a player like Mavididi on the left. Shame there isn't anyone like that in the squad, in clear sight, that the manager has completely overlooked just like he did with Mavididi a few weeks back.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

7 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

If only we had a right winger who posed a massive threat going forward, like that Ayew guy who came on today, but who also had great defensive stats, workrate, and puts in a real shift covering the right back - a bit like that Ayew guy we had on loan last year. Would really balance the team out, with a player like that on the right, and a player like Mavididi on the left. Shame there isn't anyone like that in the squad, in clear sight, that the manager has completely overlooked just like he did with Mavididi a few weeks back.

Fine margins…

[filbertway]

Christ! Southampton put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger and the full kit massive are jerking themselves silly

 

[orangecity23]

7 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Fine margins…

Fair play to Ayew, he did well to score the winner today, and by all accounts, the Palace fans think he's a great sub when you are winning, thanks to his ability to win free kicks and slow the game down when you are looking to time waste. So lets get people in their best positions, Abdul starting and Ayew on the bench, where he can come on late and wind up opposition fans.

[sm1]

I'd start off by saying I thought Cooper was a decent appointment, but over the subsequent months I realised he's shit. This result doesn't change my opinion at all,  but reinforces it. Abdul not only destroyed Southampton last season, but he's the best RW at the club. The only person who doesn't see that is Cooper, and Abdul proved him wrong again in the 30mins he was given. What was the point of Bobby, when Southampton were down to 10 men and Mav is a better attacker then him. I like JJ but he got skinned several times in the game and has been culpable for alot of the goals we've conceded. Yet will we see Ricky play in the PL, let alone start a game, not likely. Its indicative of a poor manager when his team only plays when they're desperate, which has been the case with us 90% of this season.

[WhispyWizard]

2 results where we have pulled luck out of the bag, I'm yet to see a Cooper masterclass, still chopping and changing the team 8 games in, luckily the players have enough quality to be able score goals.

 

If Fatawu doesn't start on Friday, its going to be tense in the crowd.

[hejammy]

3 hours ago, Bryn said:

I think. That he's not a great manager. But I think he's doing a decent job. I know there's consistent decisions we don't agree with and some of the signings are questionable (Bobby DCR is patently shit, though Ayew has a sort of clumsy effectiveness about him). But right now I don't think binning him off is the right call, much as I cannot see him being the manager that establishes Leicester in the PL. The players respond to something about him, we are consistently pretty excellent in the second half.

A bit of me thinks he oversubscribes to the modern idea of substitutes being finishers, not replacements. Making a deliberate choice to leave top players on the bench to bring them on the finish the game off. There's some merit to it, think. But I dunno. We start games so poorly.

You could look at it this way, or you could look at it like the players try his way in the first half, but then at half time they say sod it we'll do it our way. 

[Dan]

10 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

Huge question is 

 

will a lucky bad manager keep us up ? 
 

it might 

 

Worked for Forest.

 

I genuinely have no idea how he does it.

[Bptiger]

The manager is so stuck up his own ar*** and that’s why his team sheets are so wrong . 
ricardo and Abdul should be starting every game , and I would love to see the PiCTURES that BOOBY has on the manager , because there’s no way he should play in front of others. 

[Dahnsouff]

Think with Enzo, we were structurally tight, he was so rigorous in his preparation that. everybody knew what to do for each situation, such that we appeared almost robotic at times and some did not like the rigid nature of his style, but with Cooper he is just seems nowhere near as detail orientated and like he expects players to be able to cope in any situation and this is probably because he is not so tactically capable as Enzo, and this means we look less in control, less like we know what we are doing.

Not going to lie, Enzo’s style was easier on the heart and felt more likely for successes to be sustainable, but we need to acknowledge that his success is why he is no longer here and that it existed with this squad in a poorer division, but Cooper is more balls-to-the-wall, and these differences in style are illustrated in personal fan acceptance/rejection of the manager.

 

Would certainly rather be more in control in games, but I also cannot dispute that our current points haul is not decent compared to pre-season expectations, and don’t feel the need to factor in the lack of a points deduction as the very fact that existed likely had a bearing on Cooper being here in the first place.

[Kent]

3 hours ago, hejammy said:

You could look at it this way, or you could look at it like the players try his way in the first half, but then at half time they say sod it we'll do it our way. 

Giving the manager an ounce of credit won’t get you banned from the forum.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Kent said:

Giving the manager an ounce of credit won’t get you banned from the forum.

You sure about that?