Cooper - OUT

[Saxondale]

We’re currently doing better than five other teams, and almost as well as Man Utd. It’s not all doom and gloom.

[dave12]

I heard from someone reliable that the players are being really vocal about the tactics and setup, well more the lack of both. Also they’re not happy with team selections specifically Ricardo being ostricised, it’s came to a head with Winks, Vardy and a few more asking for a meeting to discuss. Cooper basically said that I run the show and bombed winks out of the team, clearly didn’t have the balls to do it to Vardy as well. 

[gazzaa2]

8 hours ago, Jakemoore said:

Say what you want about Cooper but watching Wolves, Southampton and Ipswich give away such easy goals today makes me feel a whole lot better.

 

I do honestly think there are at least 3 worse teams than us. At least those 3 I’ve said and maybe more. 

Survival is achievable this season and would be more achievable with a better coach.

 

Southampton and Wolves will change manager soon and could then stop leaking goals. We could have easily conceded more.

 

Xg has us lowest goals score, most goals conceded along with Ipswich and fewest points. 

[The Doctor]

7 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Cant be compared to Rodgers, this is the start of Cooper's reign and the previous season under a different manager was in a much weaker league.

 

The last time we were in the EPL, after 7 games we had 1 point with a -9 goal difference, a team where we still had barnes and maddison.  So thats not progress then?

 

It really does read like you want to see some fancy long passing build up play which makes you think its more tactical or something.  Ironically saints fans are begging for a pragmatic manager right now, careful what you wish for.

I swear to God I say this every week, what we're playing is not pragmatic football. pragmatic football is playing to the strengths of the players you've got available and the opposition you're facing, even if you'd rather play a different style. we are not playing to the strengths of our squad, and we're setting up exactly the same at arsenal as at home to Everton. 

 

the comparison to Rodgers 21/22 is spot on. our underlying stats that season were crap, but we were out performing them in results so people declared everything to be fine, and it was fine until it wasn't. relying on yourself to just outperform your underlying stats is foolish and you will get stung. no team is outperforming it's xGA by more.

 

Hermansen is already +4.3 on his PSxG (meaning he's prevented 4.3 goals more than you'd expect an average keeper to concede), that'd have him 5th in the rankings from last season, behind only Sa, Pickford, Muric and Martinez.

 

depending on the xG model used, we're either first or second for exceeding our xG (depending on the model man city are either ahead of us or just behind us), but man city have an inhumanly good robot up top. fbrefs model has us already having scored 4 more than we should have. No team has a worse xG than us. our underlying stats are absolutely rancid and has us very much relying on our forwards massively outperforming the minimal chances they're getting, and Hermansen continuing to look like a genuinely elite level keeper. 

 

this is the start of Cooper's lead and already we look like we have no plan besides get lucky. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

A win is a win however the stats show yet again that we created very little and yet again conceded another tonne of chances with Xg over 2. 
 

The tactics are stifling our creativity and we are very much reliant on moments of individual brilliance, our goalkeeper and a huge amount of luck that teams are missing gilt edged chances. 
 

I make no apologies for this, but he has to go more and more rumours of player discontent, honking in game management and a continued refusal to give any serious game time or involvement of our academy developed players suggests he is so far removed from the club ethos, this appointment is not working, and all I can foresee is an absolutely battering in the none too distant future. 
 

There is little in the way of positivity. Players being alienated, his reliance on players who are defensive minded, strange substitutions and in game management that invites pressure and is so defensive and negative. 

[Matt]

8 hours ago, murphy said:

That may be true, but that is not the issue.  The issue is that we camp in our own half, invite teams onto us and show no attacking threat or even counter-attacking threat.

 

Honestly, I have never known anyone play quite as timidly as Steve Cooper's Leicester City. 

Genuinely, what's the difference between that and what we've done for much of our previous 6 PL campaigns?

[Happy Fox]

If a better manager is available we make the change over the International break.

[mod hero]

3 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

If a better manager is available we make the change over the International break.

He’s just won his last game, no chance of that unfortunately.

[The Doctor]

53 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

Cooper out people.

If we win our next 5 games would you still want him out?  

Very much depends whether he continues to think that being some sort of luck pervert is the way to stay up, or whether he uses the next fornight to get together an actual tactical plan and we start to put together performances worthy of picking up points.

 

If his survival strategy is sodomising himself with horseshoes while wanking over rabbits feet, still get him gone.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Very much depends whether he continues to think that being some sort of luck pervert is the way to stay up, or whether he uses the next fornight to get together an actual tactical plan and we start to put together performances worthy of picking up points.

 

If his survival strategy is sodomising himself with horseshoes while wanking over rabbits feet, still get him gone.

If that’s what it takes and he is willing to do it for the cause, give him a contract extension already! 

[TrickyTrevLeftPeg]

We won the game but the signs are all there. They hit the post, bar and had an offside goal. On another day we could have easily lost 3-1 and we'd have no complaints.

 

We created very little with yet again no plan. 

 

I can't fault the players application as they are working hard and putting bodies on line but the way we are playing, conceding so many chances and not creating anything is not sustainable.

 

I'm firmly in the cooper out brigade. There is far too many warning signs and a lack of footballing plan to think otherwise 

Edited 6 October 2024 by TrickyTrevLeftPeg

[Muzzy_no7]

39 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

If a better manager is available we make the change over the International break.

There’s no if about it, there’s multiple.

 

Lets whack the list out again, in order.

 

ROGER SCHMIDT

KASPER KJULMAND

SERGIO CONCEICAO

NIKO KOVAC

DAVID MOYES

DIEGO MARTINEZ

[SheppyFox]

He’s learned from flipping defensive to hold out. The later substitutions he made proved that.

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, dave12 said:

I heard from someone reliable that the players are being really vocal about the tactics and setup, well more the lack of both. Also they’re not happy with team selections specifically Ricardo being ostricised, it’s came to a head with Winks, Vardy and a few more asking for a meeting to discuss. Cooper basically said that I run the show and bombed winks out of the team, clearly didn’t have the balls to do it to Vardy as well. 

Pretty sure Cooper said he allows the players to be vocal about tactics and such, I dunno but Winks hasn’t been great this season doesn’t work in the system Cooper wants to play anyway.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

There’s no if about it, there’s multiple.

 

Lets whack the list out again, in order.

 

ROGER SCHMIDT

KASPER KJULMAND

SERGIO CONCEICAO

NIKO KOVAC

DAVID MOYES

DIEGO MARTINEZ

Ok, let me ask (I am not opposed to this) but what makes them better? 

 

edit I was not trying to be a smart arse, just don`t know much (anything) about these managers that would suggest they are a good option

Edited 6 October 2024 by Dahnsouff

[trooky]

1 hour ago, dave12 said:

I heard from someone reliable that the players are being really vocal about the tactics and setup, well more the lack of both. Also they’re not happy with team selections specifically Ricardo being ostricised, it’s came to a head with Winks, Vardy and a few more asking for a meeting to discuss. Cooper basically said that I run the show and bombed winks out of the team, clearly didn’t have the balls to do it to Vardy as well. 

Well if it's true at least the players haven't downed tools, 

 

They're showing fighting spirit and can only be playing for Vardy.

[shailen]

5 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Hard to beat? We’ve conceded over 130 shots against us in 7 fixtures and have the highest xG against in the league.

Yes but we haven't conceded that many goals and have been competitive in every game. If you sit deep, naturally you'll have more shots against you which will rack up the xG. 

 

We probably also have a weaker squad than the one we had last year, so we're gonna have to expect to be second best and ride our luck in most games.

[grth2004]

1 hour ago, mod hero said:

He’s just won his last game, no chance of that unfortunately.

Would you rather we lost 

[brookfox]

Pleased for him that we got a win yesterday. He took a job nobody wanted, put together a decent team and in parts got us looking competitive. I can even forgive some team selection decisions.

 

What he absolutely must improve on is his in game management. It was clear to all that Bournemouth were pushing hard for an equaliser for all of the second half and he doesn’t react. I guess in part you have to trust the players you have out there, but surely there’s something he can do. And why not look for the second goal to give us a cushion. The approach has already cost us more points than it’s won us so please Steve, learn from it!!

[FOXSE]

11 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

In game management has been appalling. Even today the likes of Fatawu and Edouard were 15-20 minutes too late. 

I don't know how you watched edouard and feel the problem was he didn't come on earlier! 😄  

[Lako42]

**** me his tactics are non existent. 

 

Skipp the most isolated play builder in the world. 

 

 

He's absolutely horrid 

[FOXSE]

9 hours ago, The_Rorab said:

I really need to stay out of this thread and ones like it, because I start getting worked up and frustrated by every second post.

 

I don't understand how anyone can be content with our football and with Cooper currently, I'm never gonna bollock someone for disagreeing but I don't think I will be able to bridge any kind of understanding about it - it seems insane to me for anyone to think that Cooper is going to lead us anywhere other than downwards long-term based on his tenure so far other than relying on just hope.

 

He's been here for over 3 months now, in training every day, can anyone please tell me what he's done in those 3 months in terms of a tactical plan or trained passages of play on the field or where there's any examples of play that seems like there's been any training or planning put into it?

 

I'm desperate for signs of coaching. Signs that he has any bleeding clue what he's doing. Signs that he actually has some sort of plan, some form of competent game management, some form of tactical understanding. I'm genuinely not trying to be facetious, what is his actual plan for getting the ball in the opposition goal?

 

The problem with relying purely on the table and results is it takes me right back to Rodgers' 2nd last season where we came 8th. We were so clearly nosediving that season, but even though performances were getting worse and worse we were overperforming basically every statistical metric, and we all know what happened the next season where suddenly we weren't. It had been coming for ages.

 

I wish I had the same level of assuredness and confidence that other people seem to, but it's just incomprehensible to me, and will be until I see any evidence on the pitch that we actually look like a team that know what the everliving hell they're doing for a full game.

 

I dunno, I'm just rambling at this point. I bloody wish I could just enjoy the fact we won a game, but unfortunately it just feels like a temporary reprieve more than anything to me.

You've read this thread and you're response it's too positive.... hilarious! 

[FOXSE]

10 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

Cooper in people, 

if we lose our next 3 games, would you still want him as manager?

Cooper out people,,I it takes 7 points from 9, would you want him to stay?

[mod hero]

15 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

Would you rather we lost 

Nope

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, dave12 said:

I heard from someone reliable that the players are being really vocal about the tactics and setup, well more the lack of both. Also they’re not happy with team selections specifically Ricardo being ostricised, it’s came to a head with Winks, Vardy and a few more asking for a meeting to discuss. Cooper basically said that I run the show and bombed winks out of the team, clearly didn’t have the balls to do it to Vardy as well. 

Last week there were reports that the players were unhappy because Cooper’s management style was too open and collaborative, and that they missed Maresca’s more dictatorial style because they like to have clarity. Now we’re told that Cooper is in fact a dictator who won’t listen to players’ concerns at all. And all the while this is happening the players are showing genuine determination and fight on the pitch. 
 

Wild times.