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leicsmac

leicsmac

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21 minutes ago, bovril said:

A lot of people on social media about to find out again it's best to save yourself embarrassment later by at least waiting til the guy's arrested before turning him into an avatar of your own personal politics. 

Better to wait until the man actually appears in court to cast many aspersions at all, I would think. Details about the bloke taken in are still rather thin on the ground, either way.

 

19 minutes ago, Dunge said:

I appreciate that. It’s just I never see any development in this debate beyond some initial complaints and headlines. Even when you get someone like Farage talking about leaving the European human rights act, there’s never any detail or discussion of implications. One of the biggest complaints about Brexit was the lack of proposal and detail for what should come next. That was for a referendum and caused enough arguments, as we all know. This is for a subject about which people would in theory elect an actual government with an actual manifesto.

 

Stating concerns about society is one thing, understandable. But then people are saying “we need to limit migration”. That’s not a problem, that’s an incomplete solution to something else. If you’re going to present that as your solution, ok - but in that case I want to know the details and implications.

 

I just think it’s time to hold a few feet to the fire over this.

The time to hold feet to the fire about it was roughly ten years ago, I think.

 

The genie is out of the bottle, social media soundbites without any stated solutions (or revealing the rather awful nature of said solutions) are now enough to elect and set policy, with all the consequences that entails.

Otis

Otis

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1 hour ago, Dunge said:

Even when you get someone like Farage talking about leaving the European human rights act, there’s never any detail or discussion of implications.

N.F. Has suggested he would like to see a British human rights act to replace the ECHR.

jgtuk

jgtuk

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15 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Nope-  I get them taken to the beak

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. 
Kudos to you for doing what I imagine to be a challenging job. 
I worked in raptor protection so I’ve seen the way some people treat animals first hand. 

Dunge

Dunge

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49 minutes ago, Otis said:

N.F. Has suggested he would like to see a British human rights act to replace the ECHR.

Exactly, but he’s given no document for what that would look like, only vague ideas*. Or how it would work within the framework of even hypothetically trying to send a potentially undocumented illegal migrant to a country that won’t accept them, or discussed the ramifications of exiting a treaty that was designed to protect European citizens from their own governments post WW2.

 

I know the idea is a British Bill of Rights. I expect any politician proposing it to answer all of this in detail, along with giving good, thought-out answers to any challenges from legal experts.

 

 

*In fact I’m not even sure he’s provided that much, beyond a mission statement.

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ozleicester

ozleicester

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So the suspect in the NYC CEO murder is a right wing christian richkid.... who says we cant find common ground lol 

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Lionator

Lionator

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7 hours ago, ozleicester said:

So the suspect in the NYC CEO murder is a right wing christian richkid.... who says we cant find common ground lol 

The horseshoe between right and left is getting smaller, especially now you have RFK, Gabbard and co on the scene. If the right are getting mobilised against unequal healthcare systems then that can’t be a bad thing (aside from the murdering, that’s very bad). 

Mark_w

Mark_w

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It feels so right that America's greatest hero of anti-capitalism frequents Starbucks and McDonalds.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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13 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

It feels so right that America's greatest hero of anti-capitalism frequents Starbucks and McDonalds.

*insert commentary about Overton Window here*

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RonnieTodger

RonnieTodger

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17 hours ago, EnderbyFox said:

Image

 

 

lollollol

This fat twat winds me up every week.

 

Some of the accounts defending him too. All “patriots” with spurious usernames and AI generated pictures. What a mess of an app. 

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Tommy G

Tommy G

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1 minute ago, RonnieTodger said:

This fat twat winds me up every week.

 

Some of the accounts defending him too. All “patriots” with spurious usernames and AI generated pictures. What a mess of an app. 

Don't forget the big Union Jack pics

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Facecloth

Facecloth

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Yvette Cooper has just agreed a deal with Germany to tighten up their smuggling gangs law. Previously their laws only made someone a criminal of you were smuggling people into another EU country. So Brexit has directly made it easier for smuggling gangs to operate from Germany and bring them to the UK.

 

BBC News - Germany to tighten people-smuggling law in UK deal

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rnqdnn0jpo

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Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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12 hours ago, Dunge said:

Exactly, but he’s given no document for what that would look like, only vague ideas*. Or how it would work within the framework of even hypothetically trying to send a potentially undocumented illegal migrant to a country that won’t accept them, or discussed the ramifications of exiting a treaty that was designed to protect European citizens from their own governments post WW2.

 

I know the idea is a British Bill of Rights. I expect any politician proposing it to answer all of this in detail, along with giving good, thought-out answers to any challenges from legal experts.

 

 

*In fact I’m not even sure he’s provided that much, beyond a mission statement.

You can’t get more Trumpian than that. He has the concept of a plan?

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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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14 hours ago, Otis said:

N.F. Has suggested he would like to see a British human rights act to replace the ECHR.

 

13 hours ago, Dunge said:

Exactly, but he’s given no document for what that would look like, only vague ideas*. Or how it would work within the framework of even hypothetically trying to send a potentially undocumented illegal migrant to a country that won’t accept them, or discussed the ramifications of exiting a treaty that was designed to protect European citizens from their own governments post WW2.

 

I know the idea is a British Bill of Rights. I expect any politician proposing it to answer all of this in detail, along with giving good, thought-out answers to any challenges from legal experts.

 

 

*In fact I’m not even sure he’s provided that much, beyond a mission statement.

The whole idea that human rights should vary, depending where you are, is frankly bizarre.

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bovril

bovril

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7 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

 

The whole idea that human rights should vary, depending where you are, is frankly bizarre.

I think it's quite logical. A lot of what we understand as human rights are not that universal and have been developed in a particular time and place. Different cultures with different histories might believe for example the right of a society to live in peace and harmony supersedes various individual rights that in the UK we believe are fundamental. And even within this country there have been disagreements recently about the right of an individual to legally receive state assistance to die.

 

In terms of human rights bills, again it's logical for me that these will need to be updated and changed as the world changes. 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think it's quite logical. A lot of what we understand as human rights are not that universal and have been developed in a particular time and place. Different cultures with different histories might believe for example the right of a society to live in peace and harmony supersedes various individual rights that in the UK we believe are fundamental. And even within this country there have been disagreements recently about the right of an individual to legally receive state assistance to die.

 

In terms of human rights bills, again it's logical for me that these will need to be updated and changed as the world changes. 

While this is 100% true, it might be added that there are human rights that are a matter of (pretty much) universal agreement and binding international treaty, rather than varying by place.

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SpacedX

SpacedX

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9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

While this is 100% true, it might be added that there are human rights that are a matter of (pretty much) universal agreement and binding international treaty, rather than varying by place.

Kantian deontology and the categorical imperative - although cultural relativists and teleologists see it differently. 

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Tommy G

Tommy G

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2 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Yvette Cooper has just agreed a deal with Germany to tighten up their smuggling gangs law. Previously their laws only made someone a criminal of you were smuggling people into another EU country. So Brexit has directly made it easier for smuggling gangs to operate from Germany and bring them to the UK.

 

BBC News - Germany to tighten people-smuggling law in UK deal

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rnqdnn0jpo

Until you make it less attractive to come here vs other european countries this is just a photo op. The financial incentives on offer here clearly outstrip other european countries which is why people are forking out thousands to get on a boat. 

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