Premier League 2024/25

[Tommy Fresh]

40 minutes ago, The Bear said:

If Spurs had a better season than Arsenal then they wouldn't have sacked their manager!

 

Spurs have been proper dog muck all season, finished bottom of the league without the relegated sides, and only just scraped past just as bad a side to win a tinpot European trophy. 

 

Semi-final of the Champions League + 2nd > Europa League winners + 17th 

 

Postecoglu deserved to be sacked. He was a ****ing awful one dimensional manager. Same as Amorim, who also deserves to be sacked. 

United need to actually stick with a manager though, else they just continue the cycle, new manager, new players, sack manager after a year or two, then it's the same again. I actually think United will do half decent next season under him

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, The Bear said:

If Spurs had a better season than Arsenal then they wouldn't have sacked their manager!

 

Spurs have been proper dog muck all season, finished bottom of the league without the relegated sides, and only just scraped past just as bad a side to win a tinpot European trophy. 

 

Semi-final of the Champions League + 2nd > Europa League winners + 17th 

 

Postecoglu deserved to be sacked. He was a ****ing awful one dimensional manager. Same as Amorim, who also deserves to be sacked. 

How many Aresnal fans will remember the 24/25 season? 

 

Winning things is underrated! 

 

Wolves haven't won anything for 45 years, which season would you prefer? 

 

Everything tinpoint until your club wins it, do you think the Palace and Spurs fans would swap with Arsenal.

 

The 2nd to 4th place money league has cloud people minds!.

Edited 7 June 2025 by coolhandfox

[em9999]

Would rather get to champions league semi final than win a poor standard  European Cup

 

And that ain't even mentioning 2nd v 17th 

[Wortho]

I bet most gooners would love to win the Caraboa cup. In fact they’d like to win anything if truth be told. 

[Wortho]

2 minutes ago, em9999 said:

Would rather get to champions league semi final than win a poor standard  European Cup

 

And that ain't even mentioning 2nd v 17th 

I’d rather win anything than a second place trophy.

[The Bear]

1 hour ago, accessory said:

Did you think the Europa League was a "tinpot trophy" when Wolves were contenders for it not so long ago? 😄

Yes. Doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it but it was hardly European success. 

 

Anything outside the proper Champions League is tinpot tbh. 

[The Bear]

35 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

How many Aresnal fans will remember the 24/25 season? 

 

Winning things is underrated! 

 

Wolves haven't won anything for 45 years, which season would you prefer? 

 

Everything tinpoint until your club wins it, do you think the Palace and Spurs fans would swap with Arsenal.

 

The 2nd to 4th place money league has cloud people minds!.

I wasn't saying that it wasn't good for the fans to win a trophy of any sort, but saying they had a better season than Arsenal is clearly nonsense. If they'd won the Champions League or the FA Cup (Carabao is tinpot too) then I'd be saying differently. 

[howie]

38 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

How many Aresnal fans will remember the 24/25 season? 

 

Winning things is underrated! 

 

Wolves haven't won anything for 45 years, which season would you prefer? 

 

Everything tinpoint until your club wins it, do you think the Palace and Spurs fans would swap with Arsenal.

 

The 2nd to 4th place money league has cloud people minds!.

I would guess a few Palace fans would swap seasons as champions league football is often considered more important than a trophy.

[The Horse's Mouth]

10 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Yes. Doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it but it was hardly European success. 

 

Anything outside the proper Champions League is tinpot tbh. 

Hardly European success, winning a European trophy  . 

[The Horse's Mouth]

7 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

That they are proper bobbins.  Thought that was obvious. 

And they still had a better season than you 

[Vlad the Fox]

16 minutes ago, howie said:

I would guess a few Palace fans would swap seasons as champions league football is often considered more important than a trophy.

And this is why elite football is dying, people would rather qualify for a competition than actually winning something. I doubt you’d find many (if any) palace fans who’d swap.
 

The new European format is shit, it allows for the greedy teams to survive poor results and still qualify. The jeopardy of upsets and the pressure of having to perform on the day has been removed and killed any tension as there is always another match to put it right. I’d say now European competition as a spectacle is piss poor as a result of trying to appease the cartels who want to ensure their participation year after year regardless of if they merit it or not.

 

Having said that though sport is about winning something, spurs have had a shit season, but they’ve tasted glory, arsenal have come a poor second yet they’re both in the same competition next season. Spurs have had a better season because they’ve had that high. 

[Muzzy_Izzn’t]

2 hours ago, The Bear said:

If Spurs had a better season than Arsenal then they wouldn't have sacked their manager!

 

Spurs have been proper dog muck all season, finished bottom of the league without the relegated sides, and only just scraped past just as bad a side to win a tinpot European trophy. 

 

Semi-final of the Champions League + 2nd > Europa League winners + 17th 

 

Postecoglu deserved to be sacked. He was a ****ing awful one dimensional manager. Same as Amorim, who also deserves to be sacked. 

Who’s had a better season - Arsenal

Who’s season would I have preferred to have had as a fan - Spurs

 

That being said, can fully understand why Ange got the boot.. there were dreadful for a lottt of this season (they even lost to us!)

 

 

[coolhandfox]

40 minutes ago, howie said:

I would guess a few Palace fans would swap seasons as champions league football is often considered more important than a trophy.

I think it wouldn't be many.

[coolhandfox]

45 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I wasn't saying that it wasn't good for the fans to win a trophy of any sort, but saying they had a better season than Arsenal is clearly nonsense. If they'd won the Champions League or the FA Cup (Carabao is tinpot too) then I'd be saying differently. 

Let's hope Wolves don't win it then

[Wortho]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Let's hope Wolves don't win it then

I think a majority of wolves fans would bite your hand off to win the league cup. 

[Torquay Gunner]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

And they still had a better season than you 

They sacked their manager, so of course not.  Round and round we go.

Edited 7 June 2025 by Torquay Gunner

[OntarioFox]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

How many Aresnal fans will remember the 24/25 season? 

 

Winning things is underrated! 

 

Wolves haven't won anything for 45 years, which season would you prefer? 

 

Everything tinpoint until your club wins it, do you think the Palace and Spurs fans would swap with Arsenal.

 

The 2nd to 4th place money league has cloud people minds!.

We as a fanbase should be calling it out when people pipe up to call silverware of any level 'tinpot'.

 

Until 9 years ago, our proudest moments were second tier championships, playoff wins, a handful of League Cups and a few short trips into the Europa League. But it all meant a hell of a lot and still does to those who witnessed it. Without the miracle, we'd be on the level of a Birmingham or a Swansea in terms of what we'd won. And yet we'd still be bloody proud of it, whether that was Matty Elliot, Claridge's shin, Stevie Walsh's poaching, man marking Juninho...

 

Frankly, I'm still bitter that we had our pants pulled down by Rotherham in our one first-team shot at the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

[The Horse's Mouth]

32 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

They sacked their manager, so of course not.  Round and round we go.

That doesn’t really disqualify the point  your success isn’t determined on if the gaffer is shown the door at the end of the season 

[filbertway]

Aside from the weird solanke signing, which is uo there with alk the bad stuff Rudkin has overseen. I think ange has been well hard done by.

 

Their injury crisis was wild. They will naturally improve as they won't have Archie Gray at cb and Djed spence at left back next season.

[LCFCJohn]

5 hours ago, OntarioFox said:

We as a fanbase should be calling it out when people pipe up to call silverware of any level 'tinpot'.

 

Until 9 years ago, our proudest moments were second tier championships, playoff wins, a handful of League Cups and a few short trips into the Europa League. But it all meant a hell of a lot and still does to those who witnessed it. Without the miracle, we'd be on the level of a Birmingham or a Swansea in terms of what we'd won. And yet we'd still be bloody proud of it, whether that was Matty Elliot, Claridge's shin, Stevie Walsh's poaching, man marking Juninho...

 

Frankly, I'm still bitter that we had our pants pulled down by Rotherham in our one first-team shot at the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

Awful night at a venue that had no business hosting football. So far from the pitch and it was a really foggy night. Could barely see a thing! 

[LCFCJohn]

At the end of the day, both Arsenal and Tottenham will start the new season on zero points, and in the same European competition. Spurs have a trophy to show for it and a new manager which will give them a boost.
 

In fact given Arsenal start the season top, the only way literally is down as they ain’t winning it!

[JimJams]

6 hours ago, filbertway said:

Aside from the weird solanke signing, which is uo there with alk the bad stuff Rudkin has overseen. I think ange has been well hard done by.

 

Their injury crisis was wild. They will naturally improve as they won't have Archie Gray at cb and Djed spence at left back next season.

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/ange-postecoglou-sacked-tottenham-hotspur-head-coach-lm2v3vb0n

 

>it was not only the results. When the pressure mounted, the club were unimpressed by Postecoglou’s antics and believed certain players checked out. There were concerns about attention to detail and fears that the injury situation that derailed his first two seasons could, with the added strain of the Champions League, be repeated in a third.

>Others made a connection between his high-intensity methods and the high number of muscle injuries. Medical experts estimate that about half the hamstring strains are linked to sprinting, and Tottenham were posting unusually large numbers for both. This season, ten Spurs players suffered hamstring injuries and in February, at the height of their injury crisis, 39 per cent of their injuries had been hamstring related, compared to the league average of 23.5 per cent. Tottenham were the top team for sprints (4,200) in the Premier League.

>Even with nine men against Chelsea in November 2023, Postecoglou refused to adjust. “It’s who we are mate,” he said afterwards, while at half-time, according to one source in the dressing room, he told the players: “Even if there’s five or six of you out there, you don’t stop running.”

>Those ideas grated with medical staff, who warned Postecoglou early in his first season the data for sprint and high-intensity distances in training was too high. Postecoglou insisted the players needed to endure to adapt. Staff were dismayed when he ignored advice around how long players should stay on in games, particularly those returning from injuries. They told him the risk rate of recurrence for a hamstring injury doubles after an hour but Van de Ven played 79 minutes against Chelsea last December, before going off with another hamstring tear.

>insiders at Tottenham felt Postecoglou gambled too often and leaned too heavily on players’ opinions, which led to overly optimistic judgments around recovery times.

[Torquay Gunner]

8 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

That doesn’t really disqualify the point  your success isn’t determined on if the gaffer is shown the door at the end of the season 

So why would they sack in your view a successful manager ie one who has enjoyed a “successful” season? 

Edited 8 June 2025 by Torquay Gunner

[StanSP]

13 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

So why would they sack in your view a successful manager ie one who has enjoyed a “successful” season? 

Because football clubs sometimes do mad things... 

[It'sblueupnorth]

13 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

So why would they sack in your view a successful manager ie one who has enjoyed a “successful” season? 

Ange has won as many trophies as arteta in a third of the time in English football. Is arteta successful?