Premier League 2024/25

[Corky]

Tottenham won a trophy Arsenal were too good to be in. Hardly like Arsenal were knocked out by a team Tottenham then beat.

[Torquay Gunner]

19 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Ange has won as many trophies as arteta in a third of the time in English football. Is arteta successful?

He has been successful in making the club more competitive, you only have to look at our results against Man City and Liverpool over the last 2 seasons to see that improvement.  Ultimately though only one club can win the league and that has n’t been Arsenal.   However,  there are a few of the so called “big clubs”, Spurs, Man Utd amongst them, that would be biting their hand off to be able to compete consistently at the top of the PL.   Arteta, for me though has to take that final step next season, no excuses. 

[James and his giant peach]

12 hours ago, accessory said:

The pandemic - and consequent lack of crowds - meant that 20-21 was slightly abnormal.  

 

Rodgers set a record (which still stands!) of the most ever home defeats in a season for a single City manager.

 

Bottling a Champions League spot for the second season in a row after being in the top 4 up until the last 2 games showed the mentality issues within the squad Rodgers was never able to fix.

 

He never really wanted to stay with us more than two seasons anyway.

It's still first world problems isn't it compared to what position we are in now. We lost a lot at home but won loads away?? As you say covid made home advantage count for little. Maybe some people could see what was coming and I applaud them, but I'm sure the vast majority at the time acknowledged they were heady days. 

[Wortho]

27 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

He has been successful in making the club more competitive, you only have to look at our results against Man City and Liverpool over the last 2 seasons to see that improvement.  Ultimately though only one club can win the league and that has n’t been Arsenal.   However,  there are a few of the so called “big clubs”, Spurs, Man Utd amongst them, that would be biting their hand off to be able to compete consistently at the top of the PL.   Arteta, for me though has to take that final step next season, no excuses. 

Arsenal have become ‘next season fc’.

Perhaps if their players didn't high five each other after winning a corner they might improve.

[Corky]

Taken nearly ten years but glad we all back Tottenham these days.

[Torquay Gunner]

1 minute ago, Wortho said:

Arsenal have become ‘next season fc’.

Perhaps if their players didn't high five each other after winning a corner they might improve.

When I see Arteta next I will pass this pearl of wisdom on. 

[Wortho]

44 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

When I see Arteta next I will pass this pearl of wisdom on. 

I’m sure you’re in Mikel’s inner circle so it won’t be a problem 👍

[It'sblueupnorth]

1 hour ago, Torquay Gunner said:

He has been successful in making the club more competitive, you only have to look at our results against Man City and Liverpool over the last 2 seasons to see that improvement.  Ultimately though only one club can win the league and that has n’t been Arsenal.   However,  there are a few of the so called “big clubs”, Spurs, Man Utd amongst them, that would be biting their hand off to be able to compete consistently at the top of the PL.   Arteta, for me though has to take that final step next season, no excuses. 

Competing is a big word for what you’ve done. You’ve been nowhere near winning a title and have bottled big games massively, success is ultimately measured by silverware. It’s an anomaly Man U and Spurs being that low down and normal service will resume next season. Spurs have won a European pot and are now in the same elite competition as you next season, but you’ve had a more successful season? Do me a favour

[The Horse's Mouth]

3 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

So why would they sack in your view a successful manager ie one who has enjoyed a “successful” season? 

Why did Di Matteo get sacked from Chelsea after the champo and fa cup double, why was Del bosque sacked after winning the league? Because despite their success, the owners didn’t have faith on them achieving the next objective. It’s a fair judgement based on league form, however ange delivered the expectation of champions league football whilst winning a trophy, there is literally no argument they haven’t had a more successful season.

[Leicesterpool]

Thomas Frank seems favourite to go Tottenham, done a fantastic job at Brentford but I'm not sure if he's any better than what that got with Ange. If Frank heads over to North London, pretty convinced Brentford will stick with Danish and go and get Kasper Hjulmand the former Denmark coach. I wish we had went for him instead of Cooper.

[Torquay Gunner]

2 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Competing is a big word for what you’ve done. You’ve been nowhere near winning a title and have bottled big games massively, success is ultimately measured by silverware. It’s an anomaly Man U and Spurs being that low down and normal service will resume next season. Spurs have won a European pot and are now in the same elite competition as you next season, but you’ve had a more successful season? Do me a favour

What about the season before last, when Man City won the title in the last weekend of the season by 2 points.  According to you that’s nowhere near winning a title?  We did blow up at the end of 2022/23, when we led for most of that season, but once again that was a 2 horse race with Man Utd a distant 3rd.   So do you think before last season Spurs and Utd were competing for the title?  Here’s a quick look at their previous three seasons:  2021/22 Spurs were 4th, 2022/23 Spurs were 8th and 23/24 they were 5th.  Man Utd were 6th in 2021/22, 3rd in 2022/23 and 8th in 2023/24.  So ‘normal service’ next season would see them finishing 5th or 6th based on the three seasons before last.  I would n’t call that competing for the title.  I think you need to be doing me the favour. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

I also think people are reading too much into Spurs finishing 17th. They were focusing on the cup and CL qualification that way and it worked for them. 
 

There were no jeopardy in the league at the bottom end. Nobody else other than us, Southampton and Ipswich were ever in a serious conversation as to being relegated. There was therefore no pressure on any other side in the league so it doesn’t really mean anything for Spurs. Had they needed to I feel they would have picked up more results.

[Torquay Gunner]

2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Why did Di Matteo get sacked from Chelsea after the champo and fa cup double, why was Del bosque sacked after winning the league? Because despite their success, the owners didn’t have faith on them achieving the next objective. It’s a fair judgement based on league form, however ange delivered the expectation of champions league football whilst winning a trophy, there is literally no argument they haven’t had a more successful season.

Did Matteo drag Chelsea down to 17th in the PL?  I doubt if Del Bosque did anything like that either with Madrid.  They were sacked because Chelsea used to replace their manager virtually every other season under the Russian and at  Real Madrid De Bosque didn't really get on with Perez as President,  so it had alot to do with politics. 

[howie]

League performance is the main metric of the season and spurs were an embarrassment this season. 17th, 22 losses and home defeats against two of the worst teams to ever grace the premier league.

If Arsenal finish 17th next season and win the FA cup I doubt anyone would see that as progress or success. Very likely Arteta would be sacked in that scenario 

Edited 8 June 2025 by howie

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I also think people are reading too much into Spurs finishing 17th. They were focusing on the cup and CL qualification that way and it worked for them. 
 

There were no jeopardy in the league at the bottom end. Nobody else other than us, Southampton and Ipswich were ever in a serious conversation as to being relegated. There was therefore no pressure on any other side in the league so it doesn’t really mean anything for Spurs. Had they needed to I feel they would have picked up more results.

You can hardly say they weren’t trying all season. 
 

They won a cup when they only faced 1 top half German team and man united who were the 16th best club in England. A cups always an achievement but there’s huge context needed here 

[Brizzle Fox]

Christ even our bunch of muppets took 4 points off Spurs last season. 

 

That alone should have got him the sack.

[Tommy Fresh]

4 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

You’ve been nowhere near winning a title

23/24 went to the last game didn't it?

[LCFCJohn]

24 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

You can hardly say they weren’t trying all season. 
 

They won a cup when they only faced 1 top half German team and man united who were the 16th best club in England. A cups always an achievement but there’s huge context needed here 

Yeah I agree with that.

 

I am just saying that the lack of any risk of relegation made the table look a bit odd. The points totals for 17th were higher than for a while and nobody else had that risk. 
 

They were obviously poor in the league, we took 4 points off them! But it’s hardly like they were a 17th that narrowly avoided relegation! People saying if only we had won a few more games like it was even close. 

[It'sblueupnorth]

7 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

What about the season before last, when Man City won the title in the last weekend of the season by 2 points.  According to you that’s nowhere near winning a title?  We did blow up at the end of 2022/23, when we led for most of that season, but once again that was a 2 horse race with Man Utd a distant 3rd.   So do you think before last season Spurs and Utd were competing for the title?  Here’s a quick look at their previous three seasons:  2021/22 Spurs were 4th, 2022/23 Spurs were 8th and 23/24 they were 5th.  Man Utd were 6th in 2021/22, 3rd in 2022/23 and 8th in 2023/24.  So ‘normal service’ next season would see them finishing 5th or 6th based on the three seasons before last.  I would n’t call that competing for the title.  I think you need to be doing me the favour. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of boring chat to confirm what I said, you were 8 points clear at one point that season and finished 2 pts behind, that’s a 10 pt swing, or in other words nowhere near.

I also never said spurs or Man U are or were competing for a title, I said they’ll be back to where they were after an anomaly season. Ie competing for European places, they’re both a million miles away from a title charge just as you have and will be without a change of manager 

[coolhandfox]

12 hours ago, Corky said:

Taken nearly ten years but glad we all back Tottenham these days.

Nothing to do with Tottenham, more to do with the importance of winning trophies over finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

 

Football should be about glory.

[It'sblueupnorth]

6 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

23/24 went to the last game didn't it?

Objects in rear view mirror may appear closer than they are

[Torquay Gunner]

2 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

A lot of boring chat to confirm what I said, you were 8 points clear at one point that season and finished 2 pts behind, that’s a 10 pt swing, or in other words nowhere near.

I also never said spurs or Man U are or were competing for a title, I said they’ll be back to where they were after an anomaly season. Ie competing for European places, they’re both a million miles away from a title charge just as you have and will be without a change of manager 

Do you not understand the meaning of a title challenge?  23/24 went to the final game of the season, how often does that happen?  Answer not very often.  I can’t say I am particularly interested where Spurs or Utd finish up next season, but I can see at least half a dozen clubs finishing above them, so scrambling for 7th or 8th possibly.  The only thing I can agree on is that this chat has got very monotonous and its over and out from me. 

[MattFox]

7 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Objects in rear view mirror may appear closer than they are

Nah 

 

8 points clear in April is definitely close to winning a title by any metric

 

Which makes it even more hilarious/baffling that they didn’t see it through 

[It'sblueupnorth]

6 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Do you not understand the meaning of a title challenge?  23/24 went to the final game of the season, how often does that happen?  Answer not very often.  I can’t say I am particularly interested where Spurs or Utd finish up next season, but I can see at least half a dozen clubs finishing above them, so scrambling for 7th or 8th possibly.  The only thing I can agree on is that this chat has got very monotonous and its over and out from me. 

How often does that happen? 3 out the last 7 seasons so a fair bit. 
No worries try not to trip over artetas success haul on the way out

[Fox92]

On 07/06/2025 at 22:38, The Bear said:

I wasn't saying that it wasn't good for the fans to win a trophy of any sort, but saying they had a better season than Arsenal is clearly nonsense. If they'd won the Champions League or the FA Cup (Carabao is tinpot too) then I'd be saying differently. 

Madness. When the last trophy you've won is nearly 50 years ago surely beggars can't be choosers. I'd take winning the League Cup every season, it's a trophy, it's glory, it's history.