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Very talented player. There'll be plenty of interest because for a player of his age, technical talent, and work rate, you can trust the eye test and overlook to some degree the goals and assists numbers in a rubbish side with no attacking dynamism. His high points have been exceptionally high (Man City at home).

 

He'll spend his prime years starting for European level sides, I'm convinced. There's no way we accept as little as £20m but if that were the price, it's a no brainer for several clubs.

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2 minutes ago, James and his giant peach said:

Because we will have no choice because of the utter mess we are in. We've got numerous cvnts on over 70k a week like Soumare, Faes, Vestergaard, Daka, Choudury, Winks, Coady that we will struggle to sell for any sort of fee, so the only 3 who we can sell for any cash will be Bilal, Mads and Fatawu. We will get nowhere near what they are worth. 

Bilal's book value means we'd make hardly any money by selling him at close to the price we paid for him, making such a deal useless from a PSR perspective. While we may not get high fees for the players you mention, several of them will leave, which will free them from the wage bill. 

 

Mads will probably go as his book value is around £2.5m and we will be able to make a decent profit on him, making it a no-brainer from a PSR perspective. I suspect Fatawu will stay as his injury this year will prevent anybody from offering what we'd demand for him. Bilal will very likely go if somebody offers £35m, but there's not a chance we sell him for a similar price that we paid for him - it wouldn't benefit us at all. 

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On 26/05/2025 at 18:49, Guest said:

Short(ish) version is his dribbling and chance creation numbers at Genk were very impressive for someone his age, which is presumably why we bought him. Thinks it's difficult to judge him for us because we're so wank.

 

Positives: great dribbling and ball control, difficult to get the ball off despite not being enormously quick. The guy reckons he's physical, intelligent and hard-working enough to play as an 8 which is effectively what he spent much of this season doing anyway.

 

Negatives: passing inconsistent and gives the ball away often, not great at crossing or shooting, sometimes slows the game down too much through lack of awareness/anticipation. Also some biomechanics chat, the veracity of which I could not tell you.

 

Conclusion: a "top talent that's worth buying" but not ready to be a regular starter for a top team.

All of which, given the context of the managers he's played under and the team mates, can be easily explained.

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1 hour ago, Quorndon_Fox said:

Don’t agree with that at all, he’s looked stand out this season and is doing well internationally as well.

 

However, he is still young and for us to make a decent profit we’d need £35m + to make the original fee worthwhile. He isn’t there yet and someone would have to take a huge risk on what he could be in the next couple of years. 
 

I’m optimistic that he’ll be here next season.

The excellent analysis of ELk by Euro Expert that I posted a link to a couple of days ago highlights the fact that in a way you are both right. An excellent dribbler with outstanding technique who can see a pass, link up well and can score great goals, but who also can get caught on the ball, isn’t always aware of what’s going on around him, gives it away a bit too much and doesn’t assist or score enough. Euro Expert even goes as far to analyse his kicking technique to try and explain why he doesn’t score as much as he should.

 

I hope he stays and continues to improve with us in The Championship but him missing the final match of the season for ‘personal reasons’ was either coincidence or for me the sign of a player looking to leave (and maybe his PSR stricken club holding the door ajar for him.) 

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15 hours ago, FoxinNotts said:

He won’t go for less than £30m

Depends on release clauses and how desperately we need to sell. I wouldn’t bet against it.

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12 minutes ago, Loxm said:

The release clause is rumoured to be around the £21m mark. 

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/1919457738163179909

If that's the case, I think a promoted side or Everton type club will go for it. 

 

Would love for him to stay but we are back to being small fish with sharks all around. The good thing for us is most of our squad wont be touched as they are over paid or shit. Lol

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Posted
16 hours ago, FoxinNotts said:

He won’t go for less than £30m

I bet you he does 

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27 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

I bet you he does 

 

45 minutes ago, Loxm said:

The release clause is rumoured to be around the £21m mark. 

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/1919457738163179909

 

45 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Why?

 

46 minutes ago, VictorFox said:

Wasn’t the release clause said to be about 23 million? 

I was just my opinion. I guess that everyone is guessing at the value of the 'release clause', if there even is one

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If I'm a top flight club, looking at his numbers in the last year, I'm not spending £21m on "potential".

 

He looks flashy, sure, and there's a lot to be excited by, but he's not proven that he's worth that kind of money based on his output.

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12 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Barnes went for £30m. BEK is young and has potential, but he's not at that level.

Barnes was pure profit. BEK was only purchased last summer and still has around £16m book value, which means that selling him for £21-25m would not help us much from a PSR perspective. I don't think anybody is arguing he's worth £30-35m, just that it would have to be around that for us to gain much in PSR terms.

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3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Barnes was pure profit. BEK was only purchased last summer and still has around £16m book value, which means that selling him for £21-25m would not help us much from a PSR perspective. I don't think anybody is arguing he's worth £30-35m, just that it would have to be around that for us to gain much in PSR terms.

Which probably just means we're unlikely to get a big PSR win from his sale, rather than the sale not happen.

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I think some people forget the market has regressed. The days of us getting £70/80m for our players are long gone.

 

El Khannouss’ market value is probably about the same as it was 12 months ago, and with the need to comply with PSR etc., I doubt we’ll stand in his way if we get an offer at around that price. 

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15 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Barnes was pure profit. BEK was only purchased last summer and still has around £16m book value, which means that selling him for £21-25m would not help us much from a PSR perspective. I don't think anybody is arguing he's worth £30-35m, just that it would have to be around that for us to gain much in PSR terms.

Might be a case of every little helps.

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6 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Which probably just means we're unlikely to get a big PSR win from his sale, rather than the sale not happen.

If there is a release clause or the player is pushing hard for an exit, you may be right. I'm just saying I don't think the club will push for the move if BEK is happy to stay.

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59 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

 

 

 

I was just my opinion. I guess that everyone is guessing at the value of the 'release clause', if there even is one

His agent if he was any good wouldn't of put a release clause in above £30m as it effectively traps him - no one wants to be trapped at LCFC!

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Him leaving at a small profit is still slightly beneficial for PSR, because it would remove the several million pounds loss from next years accounts for his amortisation - and his wages as well.

 

Of course that is counteracted if you go out and buy a crap replacement at a stupid price on silly wages, which is exactly the kind of thing our club would do.

 

This is exactly why the prices we paid for Ayew and Skipp were so bad, as they were always going to have zero resale value. Ayew is a minus 2.5 million next year, and Skipp will be minus 4 million (was it a 5 year deal at 20 million?) for the next several years.

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52 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If there is a release clause or the player is pushing hard for an exit, you may be right. I'm just saying I don't think the club will push for the move if BEK is happy to stay.

Agreed. I had posted before that I wouldn't be surprised to see him start the Champ season but admittedly I thought that might be due to lack of solid interest. Be interesting to see where his mindset is at.

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50 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

His agent if he was any good wouldn't of put a release clause in above £30m as it effectively traps him - no one wants to be trapped at LCFC!

Release clauses aren't only set by agents, its a contract. Two parties to agree

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