Do we have a sense of entitlement?

[dmayne7]

Expectation does not equal entitlement. Things have changed for us now. If anything, there's a complete lack of entitlement given the fans barely seemed to grumble at us going from a Top 5 team and certainly best of the rest, to relegation, financial meltdown etc.

 

Even the way people talk about us winning the title is odd. Yes, we're not one of the countries massive clubs but we still in a pack of 15-20 clubs that could reasonably expect their team to be a good top flight side. It's talked about as though we were historically some league 1/2 club.

[Gamble92]

Strange that Martin doesn't say this about Forest. Surely they have had a much worse sense of entitlement seen as they haven't won anything of note for 40 years.

[Mickyblueeyes]

I wish they would explain what they mean by entitlement ? Is Leicester a club in their view who should attack for ten minutes. Have multiple mistakes per game. Get relegated every 5-10 years. Lose weekly. Steamrolled at times ? 

 

Then yes, the last few years we have been entitled. 

 

I feel to watch Leicester of old (which people are referring to) I should pay £40 for my ticket not the £150 I paid for the last game. 

 

If that is what they mean, fine. 

 

Otherwise, we are just a fanbase who wants to see effort, commitement and the odd bit of entertainment and sorry we havent had much of that in the last two seasons in the PL.

[Bilo]

Wanting a football club, owned by billionaires and with world-class facilities, that has won the Premier League, FA Cup and Community Shield, as well as multiple European finishes, all within the past 10 years, to do a little better than playing like a League Two club in the Premier League isn't entitled.

 

It's recognition that the football club is a very different one from that which first won promotion as a slightly green newly promoted Championship club in 2014 after a ten year absence. We're light years away from what we were in the late 1990s.

 

Everything is in place for the club to be successful if run properly. Those aren't aspirations, those are recent achievements. 

[foxy boxing]

After 2016 we all expected to build on that surprise success and establish ourselves as a top six contender  we had pretty much everything in place to do that but we squandered the opportunity to do that. The fans saw the potential and what could have been the foundations laid to make us competitive for numerous years after 2016 but it was wasted. We've bounced around from the Premier League and the Championship and have had very high high but also really low lows instead of maintaining and then building a team and a squad to regularly compete with the top of the Premier League.

[StonyFox]

I don't think we're entitled, as we've outperformed nearly every other team in the country bar the top few over the past decade. But the media forget all that and only refer to the "miracle season". 

 

Just look at Forest fans for entitlement thinking they should be a prem side, just because they were good nearly half a century ago. Which the media very much goes along with!

[dmayne7]

3 minutes ago, djskydiver said:

Fans pre 2015/16, No

Fans after 2015/16, Yes 

I genuinely couldn't point out 1 entitled fan on this forum. Everybody's a miserable fecker if anything! Always talking us down.

 

Unfortunately we've been set back 10 years after the relegation and financial issues so this year is all about survival, then it's a slow rebuild to hopefully get back to where we were. It's the complete opposite; expectations didn't rise as they should have done otherwise we'd never have accepted the malaise of Rodgers' tenure.

[Tommy Fresh]

It felt more like we'd cracked it with those two fifth place finishes under Rodgers, seemed like we'd be at the very least top half for the foreseeable future 

[ClaphamFox]

Are we entitled? Mmmm, not sure. I'll have a think about it once I've finished polishing the commemorative 'Leicester City, Champions League winners 2026' silver plaque I've had mounted on my living room wall...

[Spudulike]

Sutton reckons the players are....

 

'I think the Leicester players are an entitled group'published at 13:41 Greenwich Mean Time

13:41 GMT

Chris Sutton
Former Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 Live's Football Daily

I have got sympathy for Steve Cooper. They're 12 Premier League games in, 16th in the table and they haven't had the worst start.

I think the Leicester players are an entitled group of players who possibly played a large part in Cooper getting the sack. I think it is a really difficult job for [Van Nistelrooy] to go into.

As Manchester United interim boss, he beat them twice and I don't know whether that had any bearing on him getting the job. But, at the start of the season it would have always been about Leicester just staying in the Premier League. Maybe their expectations are higher.

[filbertway]

"There’s maybe a sense of entitlement that after winning the league in 2016, that life should be very good for them."

 

Bit of a wooly definition of entitlement. Would love to see some examples where fans have demanded more than is achievable.

 

As a fan base I still think we're generally the opposite of entitled, there's a massive apathy.

[Dahnsouff]

Football fans are just like then rest of society, patience is not much a thing these days.

[phoneticerror]

This thread has been done before. Many times.

[ElusiveEd]

if "Entitled" means we have won a title then yes, we must be. 

 

Simple really! 

[inckley fox]

4 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

It felt more like we'd cracked it with those two fifth place finishes under Rodgers, seemed like we'd be at the very least top half for the foreseeable future 

Exactly. Some of us, myself included, have found it hard to adjust to the fact that we're not where we were. Maybe the start to the season has bruised our egos a little, and we'll be a tad more grounded from now on.

 

You could see it in the number of posts on here stating that Cooper had nowhere near the pedigree to be Leicester boss, despite several successful FLC seasons, an unlikely promotion and survival in the PL. Now we're enthusing about Van Nistelrooy and Corberan, neither of which have experienced that sort of success in English football, nor really at comparable levels elsewhere (no, I don't rate the Dutch top flight all that much, I'm afraid!). So I suppose this suggests that we're getting used to our new reality.

 

Even so, most people who supported the sacking of Cooper weren't purely being entitled, in my opinion. It played a part, and some may have had their prejudices from the start, but I don't think it was entitlement in the end - just a creeping realisation that things weren't going to pan out well. If entitlement was an issue, I suspect that that would be more on the part of the playing staff.

 

And, on top of that, people often confuse a sense of entitlement with ambition. Leicester fans have always been weird in that respect, going right back to my 1990s youth, and the O'Neill era. We always fancy ourselves, which is part of the reason why we ended up winning the league. O'Neill might still be sore that he left us 16 years before our finest hour, reportedly on the misconception that things couldn't ever get any better for us than they were in May 2000.

 

I still love him though. And, for the sake of balance, he's also said some pretty damning things about Forest in the past.

[Stadt]

Expectations shouldn’t be raised after being successful, essentially.

 

Player ability, squad depth, backroom staff, training grounds etc are irrelevant, you have your assigned place in the league and that’s that.

 

Stupid throw away comment from a club legend needlessly prickly about us. 

[RoboFox]

The Perspective FC sections of the fanbase are apathetic and generally happy for the club to just exist. Thankfully some actually want to push the club to meet the benchmarks for success that it has set for itself. 

 

Besides, to be considered from the outside to be entitled, that tends to mean you've had some success. That's fine with me. 

 

Edited 28 November 2024 by RoboFox

[Dahnsouff]

16 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

It felt more like we'd cracked it with those two fifth place finishes under Rodgers, seemed like we'd be at the very least top half for the foreseeable future 

But all the evidence indicated this was highly unlikely, not sure anyone should have expected this to be a new norm? There was certainly plenty to be hopeful for, but our title win was only ever likely to be an outlier purely due to the ridiculous financial disparity in this league unfortunately. (Which is just another reason it was ******* magical)

 

People love to quote stats to prove the inevitability of things about managers and players, well this is another example of such statistical inevitability 

 

Please don`t think I am trying to squash hope, nothing wrong with hope.

[FOXSE]

40 minutes ago, em9999 said:

I don't think a sense of entitlement is a bad thing 🤔 

 

Why is it seen as a bad thing 🤔 

That bit bit like saying 'he has that nice arrogance about him' 😄 

[FOXSE]

40 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

No. Anybody that says we do really hasn't followed the club closely enough in the last 4-5 years to take a proper opinion.

Well I have 'followed the club closely' foe the last 4 or 5 years.... observing absolute meltdowns at not finishing in the top 4 twice, and calling for the managers head whilst top of the championship. Definitely a loss of perspective at the bare minimum.

[jimsmallman]

I think if you've been a fan for twenty years or more then no, you don't have a sense of entitlement. Many of us remember how awful things have been in the past, way worse than now.

 

But there's definitely a load of fans on social media who have only been around since 2016 and are absolute bells.

[Arkie Bennett]

Becoming first-time winners of both the league and FA Cup in a short-ish time is bound to raise hopes: we can do it once, so why not do it again? But having raised hopes is different to having expectations, or worse, entitlement. We've had too many disappointments which temper any overblown sense of entitlement. The old man is wrong.

[J. James]

If by "sense of entitlement" people mean unrealistic expectations then yes, some may have that, but then it was massively unrealistic to expect us to win the prem!

 

There's an extremely fine line between unrealistic and ambitious, the rapid turning on the manager point is more a case of peoples increasing impatience generally.

 

I think this is a symptom of the pace of life and the ability to get everything almost instantly, nobody is willing to do things slower or accept that it may take years.

 

Add to this the imperative of not being relegated and fans demanding to be entertained and you have what looks like a sense if entitlement.

 

Frankly atm expectations of what RvN can do in a few days or weeks are mega unrealistic and sadly lots are going to be very disappointed.

 

 

[HitchinFox]

45 minutes ago, davieG said:

 

Claude Puel could not do it. Brendan Rodgers, despite significant success and claiming the club’s first FA Cup, was never totally loved, even before the relegation campaign completely eroded his reputation. Enzo Maresca’s stubbornness and style of play saw moans and groans from the stands, while Steve Cooper quickly lost support.

 

I've no idea where this is coming from and why anyone in their right mind would think this? 

Never loved? I beg to disagree. 

We only started to fall out of love during the summer of his petulant comments – then the idiotic and petty decisions re. who to play and where (and who to leave out). By the time he finally got sacked, he was hated – but only through his own actions, which seemed to suggest he wanted us to go down just to prove a point. 

 

[Dahnsouff]

To be honest this just feels like more "looking after their own" bullshit. You business men dared to sack a footballing man?!? Shame on you. (Despite understandable reasons and concerns)