Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

Whilst I think our play / performances are overall better under RVN. This hasn't translated into points. Singularly because he hasn't fixed our no.1 issue - defending / conceding. So on that basis he's doing a pretty shoddy job. However, i do wonder whether he was simply the wrong choice for our specific need. 

[Foxmeister]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Regressed from when? We had 21 attempts with 4 on target last night with an XG of 1.52. surprised if we had more than that combined with Cooper

We scored in 92% of EPL games under Cooper and 50% under RVN.

[Pliskin]

Just now, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

Whilst I think our play / performances are overall better under RVN. This hasn't translated into points. Singularly because he hasn't fixed our no.1 issue - defending / conceding. So on that basis he's doing a pretty shoddy job. However, i do wonder whether he was simply the wrong choice for our specific need. 

He has improved our defence. We were giving away far too many efforts on goal under Cooper. Our issues are mistakes, individual errors are killing us. If we still had Cooper we would be bottom. We were benefitting from early season rust and luck V a lot of teams. Ruud has got us playing better football and has us more organised, but this has further exposed our weaknesses. 
 

But this can be a good thing, because it highlights as plain as day which positions we’ve got to strengthen in. I still maintain this comes down to who has the best window. 

[Iwebema]

2 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

Whilst I think our play / performances are overall better under RVN. This hasn't translated into points. Singularly because he hasn't fixed our no.1 issue - defending / conceding. So on that basis he's doing a pretty shoddy job. However, i do wonder whether he was simply the wrong choice for our specific need. 

I'm not sure he can fix that to be honest, there was a great point in the Rudkin thread about this being the same back 4 that got relegated 2 years ago, we simply have not invested in improving the standard of player, kept faith with those who have shown no matter who is in charge, they aren't good enough, they will always have a clanger in them.

[The Doctor]

9 minutes ago, acb said:

Quite the opposite. Cooper was working miracles. point per game and scoring in almost everyone. Get him gone

Cooper was not working miracles, Mads was working miracles to cover up Cooper's incompetence 

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

We scored in 92% of EPL games under Cooper and 50% under RVN.

But that's got nothing to do with the amount of chances we created. We massively over performed on XG with Cooper (and still lost pretty much every game) That's not down to good management 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

Cooper was not working miracles, Mads was working miracles to cover up Cooper's incompetence 

This x 100

jacub is a decent shot stopper but mads was saving stuff he had no right to. That makes a difference.   You nick a point here and there or even a win. 

[foxfanazer]

Why can't people just criticise RVN without turning Cooper into some sort of messiah? Such a weird fanbase 

[Mickyblueeyes]

He needed at least 1 centre back on 1st January. Here we are half way through the month and we don’t have a link to one. It’s horrendous.

[Foxmeister]

7 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

But that's got nothing to do with the amount of chances we created. We massively over performed on XG with Cooper (and still lost pretty much every game) That's not down to good management 

Scoring goals has nothing to do with creating chances?

[James_lcfc]

8 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Cooper was not working miracles, Mads was working miracles to cover up Cooper's incompetence 

Sometimes when I feel a bit deflated and frustrated about the current squad and the way things are going, I think of Mads. It helps!

 

What a player. I hope he’s having a nice and relaxing bit of time off 

[daddylonglegs]

7 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Why can't people just criticise RVN without turning Cooper into some sort of messiah? Such a weird fanbase 

It’s this. All over the forum & all over social media you’ve got massive weirdos who cannot comprehend that Cooper was rubbish & not the answer for sure AND ruud also far behind. 

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Scoring goals has nothing to do with creating chances?

You said we didn't create chances last night did you not? We created more chances last night and XG than we did in games under Cooper. It's really not difficult to understand 

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

15 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He has improved our defence. We were giving away far too many efforts on goal under Cooper. Our issues are mistakes, individual errors are killing us. If we still had Cooper we would be bottom. We were benefitting from early season rust and luck V a lot of teams. Ruud has got us playing better football and has us more organised, but this has further exposed our weaknesses. 
 

But this can be a good thing, because it highlights as plain as day which positions we’ve got to strengthen in. I still maintain this comes down to who has the best window. 

The stat I'm most interested in is how many goals per game we concede. As that is what denies us any chance of bagging points. Even against QPR we conceded our standard generous 2. 

 

I accept he can only work with what he's got. But I've seen no change in the outcome. More chance of winning the euro millions than ever seeing a clean sheet!

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

You said we didn't create chances last night did you not? We created more chances last night and XG than we did in games under Cooper. It's really not difficult to understand 

Very few passes completed to guys in the box...

[Fox92]

17 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Why can't people just criticise RVN without turning Cooper into some sort of messiah? Such a weird fanbase 

Works both ways though. People want to say "Cooper would have us in this position" "RVN is better".  They're both not good enough managers.

 

Here we are with 6 defeats on the bounce having not scored in our last 3 home games. Two of those games, at home, were against relegation rivals.

 

Same thing every week. It's pathetic.

 

I've never seen this forum defend a manager so much who cannot win us games. We've conceded 19 goals in 8 games ffs.

Edited 16 January by Fox92

[Fox92]

21 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Cooper was not working miracles, Mads was working miracles to cover up Cooper's incompetence 

At least we were picking up points and scoring goals.

[foxfanazer]

6 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Works both ways though. People want to say "Cooper would have us in this position" "RVN is better".  They're both not good enough managers.

 

Here we are with 6 defeats on the bounce having not scored in our last 3 home games. Two of those games, at home, were against relegation rivals.

 

Same thing every week. It's pathetic.

 

I've never seen this forum defend a manager so much who cannot win us games. We've conceded 19 goals in 8 games ffs.

I'm not defending him. I have no idea if he's good enough or not, the evidence would suggest not but that doesn't make Cooper a good manager either

Edited 16 January by foxfanazer

[Dickov22]

35 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

Whilst I think our play / performances are overall better under RVN. This hasn't translated into points. Singularly because he hasn't fixed our no.1 issue - defending / conceding. So on that basis he's doing a pretty shoddy job. However, i do wonder whether he was simply the wrong choice for our specific need. 

How is he supposed to make Vestergaard, Okoli, Faes, Coady any better? Genuine q. None of them are good enough for this level. You can’t polish a turd as they say. 

[lestatilidie]

30 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He has improved our defence. We were giving away far too many efforts on goal under Cooper. Our issues are mistakes, individual errors are killing us. If we still had Cooper we would be bottom. We were benefitting from early season rust and luck V a lot of teams. Ruud has got us playing better football and has us more organised, but this has further exposed our weaknesses. 
 

But this can be a good thing, because it highlights as plain as day which positions we’ve got to strengthen in. I still maintain this comes down to who has the best window. 

“If we still had Cooper we would be bottom” 

 

I don’t think that would be mathematically practical given we have more points under Cooper than Southampton have now.

[Ricey]

We are much more coherent in our play under Ruud, we keep the ball much better, but we simply lack enough quality at either end. The Hermansen and Fatawu injuries have been massive.

 

I haven’t agreed with everything he’s done, I still think playing the first team against QPR was a mistake, for example, but he’s got so little quality at his disposal.

We have a raw GK, a defence that have all proven in the past not to be up to it at this level, a midfield that is tidy in possession but offers little protection, no wingers who want to take players on (yes, that includes you Stephy) and a 38 year old striker who can’t carry on digging us out of holes. Let’s not even start on the bench.

 

I think there is a decent manager there and perhaps in a less pressurised situation, with a better squad, he would thrive, but he’s still an appointment I wouldn’t have made. It was way too much of a risk and very much in the spirit of all the other reactionary, vibe-based decisions this club makes.

[daddylonglegs]

It’s also the fact that people are so desperate to be right about the fact that Cooper should’ve been sacked, that they’ll defend Ruud regardless of performance or outcome. 
 

Again, Cooper was wrong for us. He would’ve got us relegated. Ruud will relegate us *unless* we sign 3 more defenders, a midfielder & a no. 9 between now and Jan 31st. (Good luck…)

[Raj]

51 minutes ago, acb said:

Quite the opposite. Cooper was working miracles. point per game and scoring in almost everyone. Get him gone

Calm down.

[Thebluefox85]

This has nothing to do with Ruud! Tbh I cannot believe people are trying to blame him and his tactics! This is a problem that starts with Top and it filters down to Rudkin, whelan, the permanent backroom staff the scouting network and even Brendan Rodgers! all of this has been the problem, each individual department has a part of the blame here! none of them have done their jobs to an acceptable standard each department has failed. I dont care what anyone says you cant sell your best players and then replace them with either failed players at other clubs or players that are just not good enough. over spending, giving out ridiculous wages for barely championship quality players. We could have Pep in charge atm and we would be getting the same results. the club are clearly not backing Ruud in the transfer market which questions me why they even employed him! hes set up to fail actually feel sorry for him! the club is rotten to the core at this moment in time and unless Top wakes up and starts rolling some heads and demands more from the individuals at this club and takes control of the situation or employes someone to take overall charge of the football club things will only get worse. Its about time our fanbase woke up an saw whats actually happening and stop blaming managers. This downfall is mostly on Top and its about time he saw that he hasn't got the ruthlessness and the skill set to be a chairman of a football club, and get an individual that 1, Is ruthless  2, Has a huge amount of ambition to take this club forward. and 3, Give whelan and Rudkin their P45s

[J.Lisemore]

He needs help. Starting that back four in this league is borderline suicide. I thought we looked impressive going forwards but with this defence we're always going to be playing catch up.