Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Tuna]

I wouldn't worry about carry over into next season if he stays, you could argue the same about Wilder and Sheff Utd and they have had a good season. What Wilder did was promote a few youth players and bring in virtually a new squad.

[Gubbins]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

He is not worse than Martin I can promise you. 

Let's assume your right (and watching us for the past 5 months tells me you're not) he's hardly much better. He's statistically the worst manager we've ever had and if Martin would relegate us than RvN is gonna only finish a few places above that. Dyou wanna keep a guy who will finish in the Championship bottom 6?

[moore_94]

8 minutes ago, Dames said:

I’m going to stick my neck on the line here and say its actually very hard to level much blame at RvNs feet. Yes he hasn’t made the best tactical decisions at times but this isn’t his team really? He was brought in on the back of 2/3 years of incredibly bad transfer strategy. Theres only so much you can do when the club has hamstrung its finances by offering huge deals to Vestergaard and Coady as well as all of the other muck.

 

If anything he’s now best placed to say where its gone wrong and where to improve, if we have a bad summer then a poor start to the season then get rid but as far as it stands we have bigger issues than the manager. 

There is a massive difference between making a few tactical mistakes and whatever shite RVN managed to come up with

 

His managerial ability has genuinely made Cooper actually look semi-decent in comparison

 

He should be ashamed of the records HE has set this season with his tactics, blaming the state of the squad which even Cooper could get us to even just score is lazy

Edited 5 May 2025 by moore_94

[Dames]

2 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I read this and I agree on some level.

 

Then I remember that he started Bobby Reid and Ayew most weeks and has continuously played Faes and it's hard to not think that Ruud just spouts hot air and if he stays he won't do the clear out we so desperately need.

To play devils advocate. Our other wing options bar Mavididi are non existent? Before anyone says play the kids you wouldnt throw them into a high pressure environment this early in their career and ruin it for them. Also as much as i dislike Faes somehow the alternatives were worse. Its a complete failure of recruitment and senior leadership from the club. 

[moore_94]

Took him about 20 games to FINALLY see how fvcking lazy Soumare is and drop him

[Dames]

2 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Let's assume your right (and watching us for the past 5 months tells me you're not) he's hardly much better. He's statistically the worst manager we've ever had and if Martin would relegate us than RvN is gonna only finish a few places above that. Dyou wanna keep a guy who will finish in the Championship bottom 6?

We stand more of a chance not blowing money on a huge payout and investing in the squad. We will need every penny this season. 
 

2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

There is a massive difference between making a few tactical mistakes and whatever shite RVN managed to come up with

 

His managerial ability has genuinely made Cooper actually look semi-decent in comparison

 

He should be ashamed of the records HE has set this season with his tactics, blaming the state of the squad which even Cooper could get to score is just lazy

You can only play the hand you’re dealt and RvN was dealt the worst hand i’ve ever saw. Yes he panicked and reverted to the old stereotype of ‘Premier League experience’ but who brought us that so called ‘experience’. Even Pep would struggle with this lot and the senior leadership of the club. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 minutes ago, Dames said:

To play devils advocate. Our other wing options bar Mavididi are non existent? Before anyone says play the kids you wouldnt throw them into a high pressure environment this early in their career and ruin it for them. Also as much as i dislike Faes somehow the alternatives were worse. Its a complete failure of recruitment and senior leadership from the club. 

I agree with some of what you are saying but Ruud is responsible for coming up with a game plan that at least means we are competitive, that we are difficult to beat or we are very creative, over his time we have been neither, we have literally lay down and surrendered and that for me is unforgivable. There is little or nothing positive to cling to except he has outed a few of the players as not working hard enough. 

[moore_94]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

We stand more of a chance not blowing money on a huge payout and investing in the squad. We will need every penny this season. 
 

You can only play the hand you’re dealt and RvN was dealt the worst hand i’ve ever saw. Yes he panicked and reverted to the old stereotype of ‘Premier League experience’ but who brought us that so called ‘experience’. Even Pep would struggle with this lot and the senior leadership of the club. 

I am not denying he was given a very bad squad to work with

 

But he has literally set all time records, like no one else has literally ever been as bad as he has been as a manager at home

 

There is taking over and doing poorly, then there is a whole other level way below that for what he has managed this season

Edited 5 May 2025 by moore_94

[SafewayFox]

6 minutes ago, Tuna said:

I wouldn't worry about carry over into next season if he stays, you could argue the same about Wilder and Sheff Utd and they have had a good season. What Wilder did was promote a few youth players and bring in virtually a new squad.

Wilder actually blooded the youth though, giving Monga 20 minutes or Evans 6 minutes is pretty different.

 

Wilder also is pretty popular up there considering he started his playing career there and got them promoted twice.

 

A very poor comparison.

[Merchant_Banker]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

To play devils advocate. Our other wing options bar Mavididi are non existent? Before anyone says play the kids you wouldnt throw them into a high pressure environment this early in their career and ruin it for them. Also as much as i dislike Faes somehow the alternatives were worse. Its a complete failure of recruitment and senior leadership from the club. 

I don't think you 'throw the kids in'. We currently have Fatawu, BEK and Mavididi who would be first choice. McAteer, Ayew and BDCR as cover, with 'the kids' , Monga and Evans gaining minutes as and when they are ready in games that would encourage their confidence.

[honeybradger]

12 minutes ago, Dames said:

To play devils advocate. Our other wing options bar Mavididi are non existent? Before anyone says play the kids you wouldnt throw them into a high pressure environment this early in their career and ruin it for them. Also as much as i dislike Faes somehow the alternatives were worse. Its a complete failure of recruitment and senior leadership from the club. 

Id argue we're not a high pressure environment and haven't been for 6-7 matches at least, relegation has been almost guaranteed for a long time.

 

If anything the pressure has never been more off, no one would begrudge evans and monga a couple bad performances as we're already down and the alternatives arent good. Just last match Monga did a nice bit of skill and the fans reacted like it was one of the highlights of the season (it probably is tbf), which would have helped boost his confidence.

 

Arguably next season will have more pressure on them to perform as they'll be expected to be part of a team winning most weeks.

Edited 5 May 2025 by honeybradger

[Sol thewall Bamba]

The only positive is he's calling out the lack of effort and commitment. But I don't think that's enough.

[Dames]

4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I agree with some of what you are saying but Ruud is responsible for coming up with a game plan that at least means we are competitive, that we are difficult to beat or we are very creative, over his time we have been neither, we have literally lay down and surrendered and that for me is unforgivable. There is little or nothing positive to cling to except he has outed a few of the players as not working hard enough. 

You can name the number of players on one hand that actually try and put any effort in to be competitive the rest have the mental strength of a soggy rich tea biscuit. Which brings us back to recruitment, the profile of player we’ve recruited in recent years is shameful. You’d never trust Soumare, Winks, Vestergaard, Faes etc to dig you out of a hole when the going gets tough. 
 

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I am not denying he was given a very bad squad to work with

 

But he has literally set all time records, like no one else has literally ever been as bad as he has been as a manager at home

 

There is taking over and doing poorly, then there is a whole other level way below that for what he has managed this season

Cooper was heading this way too and i dont think any manager could have done a hell of a lot better, the mentality of the players we have is beyond poor. They were never up for a relegation scrap, just like 2 years ago, too many hangers on. 

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The only positive is he's calling out the lack of effort and commitment. But I don't think that's enough.

I think it helps having King in the coaching setup surely he must have some in put 

[Guest Lako42]

Be hilarious next season if he stays.

 

He's absolutely ****ing shite and he wants to be sacked. 

 

 

 

 

[Dames]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

I think it helps having King in the coaching setup surely he must have some in put 

Another point to make is that he wasnt even given the correct coaching set up to help him. This board are shameful. 

[Gubbins]

11 minutes ago, Dames said:

We stand more of a chance not blowing money on a huge payout and investing in the squad. We will need every penny this season. 
 

You can only play the hand you’re dealt and RvN was dealt the worst hand i’ve ever saw. Yes he panicked and reverted to the old stereotype of ‘Premier League experience’ but who brought us that so called ‘experience’. Even Pep would struggle with this lot and the senior leadership of the club. 

Well unless RvN is some Walsh level talent scout, and coulibialy who he won't even play suggests otherwise, id rather spend 5 or 6 m on getting rid of this record settingly bad PE teacher and get in an actual manager. Far more useful than some mediocre player who regardless of ability would be stuck under RvNs pathetic management anyway. 

You play the cards you're dealt and he literally couldn't have played them any worse.

[Guest Lako42]

Proper mental gymnastics trying to find positives about him staying  

[lcfcbluearmy]

3 hours ago, JimJams said:

Rudkin wasn't DoF when they were appointed.

Wasn't DOF when Pearson was appointed either 

[Dames]

Just now, Lako42 said:

Proper mental gymnastics trying to find positives about him staying  

Its going to happen because we cant afford to sack him and improve the squad. In an ideal situation he should be going along with the board but when you look at it objectively there are valid excuses for his poor performance. Its a culmination of years of horrendous mismanagement from a senior level.

[SafewayFox]

11 minutes ago, Dames said:

Another point to make is that he wasnt even given the correct coaching set up to help him. This board are shameful. 

Or, he didn’t have a back room team that wanted to work with him?

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Dames said:

Its going to happen because we cant afford to sack him and improve the squad. In an ideal situation he should be going along with the board but when you look at it objectively there are valid excuses for his poor performance. Its a culmination of years of horrendous mismanagement from a senior level.

What's the valid excuse for playing Wilf and Soumare and the same formation for 18 consecutive defeats? Or the excuse for playing BdcR? Or to suddenly decide Coady is up to it when previous two managers thought him garbage? Or not bothering to do any research on Ward? Or alienating Buonanotte,.Okoli, Mavididi, Skipp on footballing reasons plus Winks and Vestergaard for non football reasons? Or celebrating with opposition players after every defeat and Ignoring City supporters? 

 

As useless as Top, Whelan and Rudkin  are, none of the examples above are down to them. It's all the Dutchman.

 

 

 

 

[sm1]

In all these months he's shown no great knowledge of tactics or team selection. He's had other options, but has chosen to pick Faes, whilst marginalised Okoli, Facundo and Mavididi.

[coolhandfox]

Can't believe people think he's going to still be here 

[Gravel]

15 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Proper mental gymnastics trying to find positives about him staying  

Erm...

 

Nah, me neither