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Harry Maguire

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BKLFox

BKLFox

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7 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Chillwell is on nearly 200k and there was a article yesterday that no clubs are interested and he faces 6 months out of action 

 

“Ben Chilwell facing six months on the sidelines as Chelsea have ZERO offers for £190k-a-week defender”

But who ever loans him won’t be funding his £190kpw wage not because they can’t but because it makes no sense for Chelsea to force his wages on someone else.

If they want him gone they will agree to fund must of his wage because part is better than all. The 6 month reference refers up to the end of this season, he still has another 2 year on those wages up to June 2027.

They will cover any loan wage just to get him in the shop window and a successful loan gets him a move to that or indeed another club probably in the summer but him not playing means he’s there till his contract expires.

 

Tielemans63

Tielemans63

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He was superb for us, but I just cannot see this happening. He's on £190k a week, United are short of CBs and let's be honest, coming back here would be something of an admission of failure. 

HankMarvin

HankMarvin

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6 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

But who ever loans him won’t be funding his £190kpw wage not because they can’t but because it makes no sense for Chelsea to force his wages on someone else.

If they want him gone they will agree to fund must of his wage because part is better than all. The 6 month reference refers up to the end of this season, he still has another 2 year on those wages up to June 2027.

They will cover any loan wage just to get him in the shop window and a successful loan gets him a move to that or indeed another club probably in the summer but him not playing means he’s there till his contract expires.

 

Chelsea don’t have any need to loan him, if it doesn’t add anything financially then he sits on the periphery and is potentially utilised if injuries dictate it.

BKLFox

BKLFox

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4 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Chelsea don’t have any need to loan him, if it doesn’t add anything financially then he sits on the periphery and is potentially utilised if injuries dictate it.

The money men will want him out the club if Enzo doesn’t name him in any squad for the 2nd part of the season, they are not daft. 
A decent loan could see him off their books and whilst they might have to honour his contract they would also see some return from buying club with 2yrs left on the book 🤷‍♂️ 

HankMarvin

HankMarvin

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2 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

The money men will want him out the club if Enzo doesn’t name him in any squad for the 2nd part of the season, they are not daft. 
A decent loan could see him off their books and whilst they might have to honour his contract they would also see some return from buying club with 2yrs left on the book 🤷‍♂️ 

That remains to be seen if he axed from the squad 

Guppys Love Child

Guppys Love Child

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1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I assume neither is an option?

Of course.. in the real world there's always that option.

 

But my question was, I suppose defending Maguire to a degree, by asking who would you rather have of the two.  Maguire we know lacks pace, but is IMO an infinitely better defender than Wout.  

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foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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Just now, Guppys Love Child said:

Of course.. in the real world there's always that option.

 

But my question was, I suppose defending Maguire to a degree, by asking who would you rather have of the two.  Maguire we know lacks pace, but is IMO an infinitely better defender than Wout.  

Sure, if that's the barometer but I'd like to think we could scout for better. Obviously we've proven we can't 

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JimmyC74

JimmyC74

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We are desperate to add quality to the back line but also pace.

 

If Chilwell is desperate for game time I guess there is a chance of a loan deal but, I think right back is more pressing at the minute.

 

If, and it's a big if, the deal was right (finances / wage share) and he had the right attitude it could work / you wouldn't turn it down. Same argument for Maguire / Lindelöf.  

 

 

Guppys Love Child

Guppys Love Child

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20 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Sure, if that's the barometer but I'd like to think we could scout for better. Obviously we've proven we can't 

Oh I agree, we could definitely look for better than Maguire, and cheaper too. 

 

 

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JJD_LCFC

JJD_LCFC

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1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

Chillwell is on nearly 200k and there was a article yesterday that no clubs are interested and he faces 6 months out of action 

 

“Ben Chilwell facing six months on the sidelines as Chelsea have ZERO offers for £190k-a-week defender”

I would hope Leicester would agree to a % of his salary. 200k per week Leicester should never pay that amount. 
 

I just think he will improve our team. But finances have to be realistic. 
 

chilwell and maguire would improve our chances to stay up. 
 

or I would like to think Ruud has some great connections to help bring in 3/4 starting players in the new year. 
 

 

whetstonefox

whetstonefox

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It would allow Coady to focus on his media career!

 

Id take them both as I can’t see our scouting team producing any unknown gems.

 

Chilwell with something to prove and it if went wrong we could always remind him of Wembley 2021!

 

Maguire would be useful , not particularly mobile but an upgrade.

 

In reality i’ll be surprised if either of them rock up at our place. 

Guppys Love Child

Guppys Love Child

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48 minutes ago, whetstonefox said:

It would allow Coady to focus on his media career!

 

Id take them both as I can’t see our scouting team producing any unknown gems.

 

Chilwell with something to prove and it if went wrong we could always remind him of Wembley 2021!

 

Maguire would be useful , not particularly mobile but an upgrade.

 

In reality i’ll be surprised if either of them rock up at our place. 

I agree..

 

However stranger things and all that.

 

A question for us all is which would you rather have in January?

 

JJ   Okoli Maguire Chilwell 

 

          Or

 

JJ.  Wout/Coady Vesty Vk

 

Answers on a postcard please

 

 

I still think Okoli in a better pairing would bring him out as a player.

Plus he's your pace man.

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Its11th heaven

Its11th heaven

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Players on big contracts who don’t actually play are a liability to their clubs. Any loan saves them some money. The only downside is they are playing for a competitor club but that’s not a big deal if the club is at the other end of the table.

 

The only blocks are if the player doesn’t want to be loaned or no one wants them. In our situation we’d be idiots not to take both on loan if they were on offer.

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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Wages are not necessarily the problem they seem.  If we take a player like maguire or chilwell for six months then we’d expect to pay a loan fee and a proportion of the wages.  If Maguire is a 20 mill player then he’s worth 4m oer annum. So a loan fee for 6 months should be approx 2m (40k/week). 
 

if we cover 120k/week of his wages and pay no loan fee then it’s like us paying him 80k/week. 
 

yanited may decide that them covering 70k per week till the summer could easily be recovered if he plays well here and then gets a transfer somewhere. 

CrazyKopCorner

CrazyKopCorner

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3 hours ago, whetstonefox said:

It would allow Coady to focus on his media career!

 

Id take them both as I can’t see our scouting team producing any unknown gems.

 

Chilwell with something to prove and it if went wrong we could always remind him of Wembley 2021!

 

Maguire would be useful , not particularly mobile but an upgrade.

 

In reality i’ll be surprised if either of them rock up at our place. 

I'd love to see him sod off too - One of the worst signings of all time - I can't think of a single positive thing he's done 

l444ry

l444ry

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Doubt if this will come to pass but makes you laugh when a reason some detractors make for not taking a current England International with experience and leadership qualities is lack of pace. Can't have played at decent level football if not realising the first five yards is in the head and the next organising those around you?

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foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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2 hours ago, l444ry said:

Doubt if this will come to pass but makes you laugh when a reason some detractors make for not taking a current England International with experience and leadership qualities is lack of pace. Can't have played at decent level football if not realising the first five yards is in the head and the next organising those around you?

What about the countless mistakes he makes? The lack of pace is just one reason we should swerve him

Gazza M

Gazza M

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Reminds me of years ago when Steve Guppy left for Celtic as well oiled machine and came back like an 80's Skoda in the woeful Micky Adams season in the Prem. Probably leave this one in the past I think. 

mozartfox

mozartfox

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2 hours ago, Gazza M said:

Reminds me of years ago when Steve Guppy left for Celtic as well oiled machine and came back like an 80's Skoda in the woeful Micky Adams season in the Prem. Probably leave this one in the past I think. 

Agreed. Dufkin needs to concentrate on tying down Ward for another 3 years.

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