AjcW Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Or maybe there is interest in Daka, if we can’t shift Eduoard back to Palace, maybe we are considering cutting our losses on Patson, I think Cannon could provide cover/rotation for Vardy and offers more potential and in the event we are relegated he is ready made for that league. Would rather take £10m for Daka and shift his wages off the books than a similar fee for Cannon who in my opinion will have a greater sell on and be better suited for where we are than Daka, who even in the championship after an initial burst absolutely tanked. Was coming on here to say this. Daka is one of the few sellable assets we have given his age and potential to still go back to a weaker league in Europe and absolutely tear it up. Get the feeling that might be in the works.
LVFox Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 14 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Or maybe there is interest in Daka, if we can’t shift Eduoard back to Palace, maybe we are considering cutting our losses on Patson, I think Cannon could provide cover/rotation for Vardy and offers more potential and in the event we are relegated he is ready made for that league. Would rather take £10m for Daka and shift his wages off the books than a similar fee for Cannon who in my opinion will have a greater sell on and be better suited for where we are than Daka, who even in the championship after an initial burst absolutely tanked. Bournemouth after a centre forward and have had interest in Daka before. It's not against all possibility 2
bald reynard Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 45 minutes ago, LVFox said: Interesting words from Ruud, wouldn't be surprised if we are hoping we cancel Edouards loan and bring Cannon back, freeing up a domestic loan slot for a centre back. Didn't see that, what did RvN say? Exact words, or just an interpretation?
FoxFossil Posted 13 January Posted 13 January Need him back - Rudders just sold Vardy to Arsenal for £30m 1
LVFox Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 2 hours ago, bald reynard said: Didn't see that, what did RvN say? Exact words, or just an interpretation? No ideas on exact words, but have seen he's said "he could still stay at Stoke". Surely if that was 100% going to happen you don't word it like that, makes me feel like they'd bring him back if circumstances right
-sodapop Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 8 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Sheff Utd should be planning with one eye on the prem - if they think he'd be a useful player there or even in a promotion push, I think we should really err towards keeping him 1
Micky Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 23 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Good if we can get him gone for a fee. Not good enough for us.
Popular Post CrispinLA in Texas Posted 13 January Popular Post Posted 13 January (edited) Keep him...we will probably be in the championship next season and Vardy won't be here next season plus can't see Daka staying. Strikers are hard to come by Edited 13 January by CrispinLA in Texas 7
winteriscoming Posted 13 January Posted 13 January I hope we keep him. There’s potential there. Same with Okoli. 3
Old Fox Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 19 minutes ago, winteriscoming said: I hope we keep him. There’s potential there. Same with Okoli. IF and it’s a big IF we want to have a go at staying up we need the mother of all windows and it needs to start now - there are about 6 or 7 we must keep and everyone else should be fair game as they won’t help us between now and the end of the season - I include Okoli and Cannon in that - neither are good enough for a prem squad like another 7-8 of the squad and if we can raise funds now and let RVN get quality starters in I would back him 100%!
ACF Posted 13 January Posted 13 January Sell him to Sheffield to cover off PSR, add a bonus if they get promoted.
Muzzy_no7 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Only sides in the championship that could afford Cannon are Sheff Utd, Luton, Leeds, Burnley, Watford and Norwich.
LCFCJohn Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 17 hours ago, Stadt said: Stoke are shit but 14th for xG for, so he's part of the problem imo. Even in the limited league minutes for us last season (4.8 nineties) he was only at 0.32 xg per 90. I just don't think he's alive enough in the box consistently to get into good positions. I actually quite like him, he's combative and he's great at half chances but that's not the hall mark of player capable of scoring 10+ in the PL. Maybe a case of not yet. It’s not to say he can’t. England’s main strikers over the past few haven’t reached this level at a particularly young age. Vardy - the obvious one, 25 to be in the EFL and what 27 in the Premier League. Kane - didn’t pull up any trees on loan with us in the championship in his early 20’s. Watkins - only moved from Exeter to Brentford in the Championship at 22. Took until 25 to be in the Premier League with Villa. Toney - was obviously signed by Newcastle younger but considered not good enough and dropped back down the leagues. Was about 24 when he finally made the Premier League with Brentford. And those are just the best in recent years. Point being none of them were doing it in the Premier League by 22. Stoke are also quite crap and he’s far from the biggest issue. I’d definitely leave on loan, maybe Robins will be better for Stoke and Cannon. We are pretty certain then to have a season in the Championship next season. Even if we bounce straight back, he’ll be 18 months or so older and more experienced so then we can judge. That’s assuming he carries on showing development and progress in the Championship this season and next. Edited 14 January by LCFCJohn 1
Stadt Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 28 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said: Maybe a case of not yet. It’s not to say he can’t. England’s main strikers over the past few haven’t reached this level at a particularly young age. Vardy - the obvious one, 25 to be in the EFL and what 27 in the Premier League. Kane - didn’t pull up any trees on loan with us in the championship in his early 20’s. Watkins - only moved from Exeter to Brentford in the Championship at 22. Took until 25 to be in the Premier League with Villa. Toney - was obviously signed by Newcastle younger but considered not good enough and dropped back down the leagues. Was about 24 when he finally made the Premier League with Brentford. And those are just the best in recent years. Point being none of them were doing it in the Premier League by 22. Stoke are also quite crap and he’s far from the biggest issue. I’d definitely leave on loan, maybe Robins will be better for Stoke and Cannon. We are pretty certain then to have a season in the Championship next season. Even if we bounce straight back, he’ll be 18 months or so older and more experienced so then we can judge. That’s assuming he carries on showing development and progress in the Championship this season and next. And how many players don’t make a leap like that in their careers? 99%? The underlying data most likely would have suggested those players are good even when they weren’t scoring. The data atm says Cannon is a midtable championship striker. I like him and keeping him on loan is a good idea especially as we may need him in the championship next year. But we can’t hold onto players in the hope they have a 1 in a 10000 transformation like Vardy.
Lesta2014 Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Think this be daft with relegation a possibility and him being a 15/20 goal championship striker! We’d have to spend more money to get a replacement and doesn’t appear anyone in academy banging the goals in to come through. 3
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 19 hours ago, AjcW said: Was coming on here to say this. Daka is one of the few sellable assets we have given his age and potential to still go back to a weaker league in Europe and absolutely tear it up. Get the feeling that might be in the works. He's still got a book value of about 7m. He's not done enough for a club who can afford 10m+ to buy him him in January. Clubs that would be interested in him probably can't even convince him to take the wage cut let alone afford a fee that offsets our loss. If he goes anywhere it's a loan and I highly doubt that given RVN has never seen Cannon play, Enzo didn't rate him, Edouard has been a disaster and we're skint wanting a winger and a CB. Even Hamza is probably only a loan. A loan fee of like 600-800k probably covers Coulibaly this season. Just because we've had a bit of good news, doesn't mean our squad players are all suddenly sellable. Edited 14 January by Finnegan 1
LCFCJohn Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 2 hours ago, Stadt said: And how many players don’t make a leap like that in their careers? 99%? The underlying data most likely would have suggested those players are good even when they weren’t scoring. The data atm says Cannon is a midtable championship striker. I like him and keeping him on loan is a good idea especially as we may need him in the championship next year. But we can’t hold onto players in the hope they have a 1 in a 10000 transformation like Vardy. I’m not saying he will or won’t make it. I’m just making, what I thought, is an interesting observation that actually, in the last 10 years or so, the main English strikers we have had, have come through a bit later. Obviously Vardy is a freak case hence pointing out particularly Watkins and Toney. As you say, keep him for the Championship next season. If he continues to do well, we can probably sell him for at least what we get now. I get also the point about underlaying data and no doubt it is important. But did those I highlighted have that? Toney was ditched by Newcastle and ended up back as low as league 2 I think. Nobody even lower in the EFL took a punt on Vardy. Nobody picked up Watkins sooner. Kane is different as presumably Spurs saw the potential in him the whole time.
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 6 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said: I’m not saying he will or won’t make it. I’m just making, what I thought, is an interesting observation that actually, in the last 10 years or so, the main English strikers we have had, have come through a bit later. Obviously Vardy is a freak case hence pointing out particularly Watkins and Toney. As you say, keep him for the Championship next season. If he continues to do well, we can probably sell him for at least what we get now. I get also the point about underlaying data and no doubt it is important. But did those I highlighted have that? Toney was ditched by Newcastle and ended up back as low as league 2 I think. Nobody even lower in the EFL took a punt on Vardy. Nobody picked up Watkins sooner. Kane is different as presumably Spurs saw the potential in him the whole time. Vardy, Watkins and Toney are all exceptional athletes with either pace, power or both that took time to learn the parts of the game you can only pick up through experience and refine their skills. Tom Cannon isn't. He's like the second coming of David Nugent. He'd have to be an extremely intelligent footballer to compensate for the lack of athletic prowess in the modern Premier League and by all accounts he apparently isn't. 1
Finnegan Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 2 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I don't think we'd accept £7m. I do. He's got no use to us right now and I think we want a net 0 January. A nominal loan fee for Hamza gets us Coulibaly, selling Cannon for 7 probably gives us another 2ish million, after his book value, which translates to maybe 8-10 we can spend now? People thinking we'll splash the cash now we're not being charged are going to be very disappointed. Not a lot has changed. If we survive this season we might actually be in a moderately strong position to spend in the summer but right now forget about it. Edited 14 January by Finnegan 1
LCFCJohn Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Vardy, Watkins and Toney are all exceptional athletes with either pace, power or both that took time to learn the parts of the game you can only pick up through experience and refine their skills. Tom Cannon isn't. He's like the second coming of David Nugent. He'd have to be an extremely intelligent footballer to compensate for the lack of athletic prowess in the modern Premier League and by all accounts he apparently isn't. Regardless, it doesn’t seem the right time to flog as we don’t know yet what he will do. I get the similarities to Nugent and even if he became exactly like Nugent, that’s not a player we should be turning our noses up at in our situation. We might go down and bounce straight back up, make some profit. We might linger in the Championship and have a reliable goalscorer on our hands. Hell, we might even do a stint in League 1 if we continue to be so badly managed and he might be above us. The consensus from those wanting to sell seems to be a doubt he will become a top half Premier League striker. Probably not be it’s unlikely we will be at that level either for the foreseeable!
Reg Vardy Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 7 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I don't think we'd accept £7m. Snap their hand off....
AKCJ Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I do. He's got no use to us right now and I think we want a net 0 January. A nominal loan fee for Hamza gets us Coulibaly, selling Cannon for 7 probably gives us another 2ish million, after his book value, which translates to maybe 8-10 we can spend now? People thinking we'll splash the cash now we're not being charged are going to be very disappointed. Not a lot has changed. If we survive this season we might actually be in a moderately strong position to spend in the summer but right now forget about it. I think we're better letting him stay at Stoke on loan than accepting £7m now. I think if he continues to have a good season then he will still be worth that sort of money and with Vardy retiring and Daka being Daka it'll be important that we've either got a striker that we know can score goals at that level or one that will tempt the Championship clubs that can afford to spend £10-£12m.
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