JimJams Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 18 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: his value isn’t dropping , sell him in the summer when we know our fate. That depends on what you consider his value. His value has definitely dropped from what we paid. In terms of selling, it's down to opportunity. Will we have an opportunity to sell him in the summer for what we're being offered now? Who knows, but I doubt we'd be getting a lot more, so then is it worth the risk? Or even forgetting that, is the money better utilised this window to keep us up? I think if we want more money than Utd are offering then we could offer a loan with an obligation on promotion at a higher fee than they're currently offering. It takes a risk out of it for them but gets us a better deal financially given we were ok with him playing out the season with no payoff at the end. There's no real right or wrong on this. We have plenty of recent examples of players that we didn't sell when offers came in and they just leeched away at us and we've regretted it. Having watched him this season, I'm not convinced at all really. I think some people take a cursory glance at his stats and assume he's doing really well, cos on the face of it it looks that way. But watching him and breaking that goals tally down, it's really not that impressive. Edited 14 January by JimJams 1
Sly Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Just now, dmayne7 said: But he's not a 'bang average championship striker'. Look at his age and his record and tell me how you come to that conclusion? He's quite clearly a good striker at that level who will only get better. He's definitely shown he will score goals at that level. £7m is giving us next to no profit in terms of PSR and we desperately need a striker what ever division we're in. I don't disagree with your general logic, but I don't think Cannon is a great case. 11 goals in 25 games. 4 Vs Portsmouth - 1 x Free-kick, 2 x Open Play, 1 x Penalty. 1 Vs Derby - Penalty. 1 Vs Blackburn - Penalty 1 Vs QPR - Open Play 1 Vs Luton - Open Play 1 Vs Sunderland - Open Play 1 Vs Sunderland - Penalty 1 Vs Southampton - Open Play So 5 of the 11 goals are set pieces. They all count but he’s not an elite Premiership striker as he doesn’t have the ability to beat a man, or raw pace to roast them. 2
JimJams Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said: Ha! I just mentioned trying to sort a deal like that. I'd take that. Edited 14 January by JimJams 1
Sly Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 3 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Mainly because Vardy stayed mostly fit and Daka was next in the pecking order. Weird thing for me was why we took on the Eduard loan instead of the better option of Cannon. Can't be that bad if we have so much Championship interest in him. The Edouard loan is just all out bizarre. Something clearly isn’t right with that one. 1
FrankieADZ Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: 5 year deal means we could buy someone for £13m and be no worse off. Cannon is supposedly on quite decent wages too. I'd look to the value countries like Brazil/Argentina/Denmark/Japan/Belgium except we rarely do and dont sadly, i dont think the club even know Japan, Brazil and Argentina exist 6 minutes ago, RyCleary said: Loan with 13M if they're promoted apparently im not sure on that deal, as I honestly dont think theyll go up 1
Aleksz Posted 14 January Posted 14 January I’d take that Sunderland offer. Gamble on it. Likelihood us they’ll not get promoted and we’ll need him if we go down anyway. 3
JimJams Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said: im not sure on that deal, as I honestly dont think theyll go up Without the points deduction they'd be top. And with Tommy C punting them in, it's a cert. Probably.
FrankieADZ Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 1 minute ago, JimJams said: Without the points deduction they'd be top. And with Tommy C punting them in, it's a cert. Probably. Sunderland didnt have the points deduction, was sheff u Sheff Utd offering 7m aint bad, but im not sure on that either Edited 14 January by FrankieADZ
JimJams Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said: Sunderland didnt have the points deduction HA! Got Sheffield Utd on the brain. Lobotomy booked. 1
MPH Posted 15 January Posted 15 January As long as we get the 13m in this years PSR calculations, I’d snap their hand off… 1
Gamble92 Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 31 minutes ago, MPH said: As long as we get the 13m in this years PSR calculations, I’d snap their hand off… Same. Think anyone who is desperate for him to come back is ignoring the fact he doesn't press and is completely the wrong kind of player for how we want to play despite the fact he can score some goals. It was such a bizarre decision to sign him with Enzo still here. 1
fox_favourite Posted 15 January Posted 15 January (edited) 3 hours ago, MPH said: As long as we get the 13m in this years PSR calculations, I’d snap their hand off… Only if they get promoted, which is high risk. You have Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield United in the mix who are all good teams. Next year I'm almost certain we won't have have Vards, so we'll lose a lot of goals. If we go down, as I think we will, we'll have one striker. So it's whether we can replace him with someone better with the money now, as we won't be able to sign anyone next season with a transfer embargo, potentially Im torn on this one. Sell for PSR, loan and keep as we may need him next year. Edited 15 January by fox_favourite
Claudio Fannieri Posted 15 January Posted 15 January It’s being reported we currently have £12-14m to spend in this window, so the reality is we need to sell to generate more PSR wriggle room to buy new players. Whilst the Sunderland deal looks good on paper, another loan albeit with a promotion obligation doesn’t really resolve our need now, especially if Sunderland tank in the 2nd half of the season. Whilst Sheff Utd’s valuation is lower it does give us immediate cash however I wonder if we could use their interest in Hamza as leverage, offer them the chance to sign Cannon for £7m + a promotion add on but only if they sign Hamza on a permanent deal as well. That way we could generate £5m of profit which translates to circa £20/25m of additional transfer funds plus we would have freed up a decent wedge of wages. 4
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 15 January Posted 15 January (edited) 12 hours ago, dmayne7 said: But he's not a 'bang average championship striker'. Look at his age and his record and tell me how you come to that conclusion? He's quite clearly a good striker at that level who will only get better. He's definitely shown he will score goals at that level. £7m is giving us next to no profit in terms of PSR and we desperately need a striker what ever division we're in. I don't disagree with your general logic, but I don't think Cannon is a great case. He’s not particularly quick, skilful, strong or good in the air and doesn’t particularly influence a game enough to be (IMO) considered anything other than an average striker. I know penalties are still goals, but they’re not an indicator to use in the scenario we’re talking about so you really do need to take them out and when you do, again, average. He may well get better and strikers generally peak in their late 20’s but we can’t be saying lets have him hanging around in case he gets better and we might be in a different league. The only player in the 40 years i’ve been watching Leicester that was ropey to start with and then came good when we kept the faith was Vardy, and he’s an exception to practically every football rule. Cannon isn’t a Vardy, he’s more a not so good Nugent. Edited 15 January by Realist Guy In The Room 3
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Just now, Realist Guy In The Room said: He’s not particularly quick, skilful, strong or good in the air and doesn’t particularly influence a game enough to be (IMO) considered anything other than an average striker. I know penalties are still goals, but they’re not an indicator to use in the scenario we’re talking about so you really do need to take them out and when you do, again, average. He may well get better and strikers generally peak in their late 20’s but we can’t be saying lets have him hanging around in case he gets better and we might be in a different league. The only player in the 40 years i’ve been watching Leicester that was ropey to start with and then came good when we kept the faith was Vardy, and he’s an exception to practically every football rule. Cannon isn’t a Vardy, he’s more a not so good Nugent.
ian__marshall Posted 15 January Posted 15 January (edited) I'm not sure that Sunderland deal is that attractive as I can't see them going up this season so unless the loan fee is high (which it won't be) I don't really see the point. That said I would use it as a bargaining chip with Sheff Utd, and say we'll accept £7m, with 25% sell on clause, and buy back option of £12m. It's then over to them to see how desperate they are to sign him. Edited 15 January by ian__marshall 1
VLC86 Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Pointless accepting a loan with a higher fee based on variables. Plain and simply, we need the cash now to be able to try to stay in the Prem. Take the highest perm offer and use it to invest in improving our current squad so we don’t need a championship level striker. 1
Ric Flair Posted 15 January Posted 15 January It's almost double what we paid for him if they go up. It's tempting. With Le Fee signing as well and a very good manager I think they stabf a chance of going up. Dilemma. I'd want £7m + add ons from Sheff Utd 3
TheGoldenGod Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Why can't we just ask for more than we paid for him? Any other club would be getting £10m plus guaranteed. He's a better player now than when we bought him.
FrankieADZ Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: It's almost double what we paid for him if they go up. It's tempting. With Le Fee signing as well and a very good manager I think they stabf a chance of going up. Dilemma. I'd want £7m + add ons from Sheff Utd thing is tho, look at the top 3, one of them will be in the play offs, could we see Sunderland beat them honestly i cant 1
coolhandfox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: It's almost double what we paid for him if they go up. It's tempting. With Le Fee signing as well and a very good manager I think they stabf a chance of going up. Dilemma. I'd want £7m + add ons from Sheff Utd Gives us leverage with Sheff U to add a promotion bonus. 1
Tommy G Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Could turn out a decent buy if we can make a nice profit on him. 3
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