King Power or Rudkin out?

[Pliskin]

Book stops at the Top, with Top. He calls the shots, he is destroying the club. 

[hebangsthedrums]

4 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Time for Top to pull on his big boy pants, admit he’s got it wrong and instigate a massive overhaul of the footballing side of the business. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. If he can’t do this and replace Rudkin then he needs to go.

As rudders probably dresses him in the morning he's likely to be stuck in the Huggies pull ups

[hebangsthedrums]

But in answer to the question, KP out as like others have said that guarantees rudders out. Other than a slim chance he does the honourable thing this summer, here's here until they are not or he shags tops wife 

[Nalis]

Get your Rudkins out for the lads

[Foxin_Mad]

Actually new owners doesn't guarantee an new football director, quite often clubs even businesses change owners and don't change management. It depends whether the new owner is another clueless rich chance, who got rich of bribes and corruption to give a monopoly. 

 

Is Dan Ashworth still out of a job, roll the dice, get him in.

[An Away Move]

Rudkin out. He's just too pally with Top. It means standards can't be adhered to.

[Silva Fox]

KP out. Top should have sacked Rudkin a long time ago and hasn't so time for the lot of them to go now.

[cruzFOX]

I’m sick of it all! Whoever is to blame is killing us as a club. I don’t even want to go watch them anymore. Seeing Vardy fade away in this team is so sad too. Just bad all around situation. We’re in

[PAULCFC]

Voted not bothered.......really losing interest in the club.

[StonyFox]

If you had a good DoF, they could influence Top to make the right decisions. But I can't see Rudkin going whilst King Power are owners, so it's likely to take both of them going for real change. 

[whoareyaaa]

Rudkin should step down and let Top employee someone who knows what they are doing.

[Tommy G]

27 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Actually new owners doesn't guarantee an new football director, quite often clubs even businesses change owners and don't change management. It depends whether the new owner is another clueless rich chance, who got rich of bribes and corruption to give a monopoly. 

 

Is Dan Ashworth still out of a job, roll the dice, get him in.

It'll be like shopping in Harrods with a fiver. 

 

Even if he was tempted, what is actually tempting him? A salary we probably can't afford, a basket of ageing players on crappy contracts he can't shift and hamstrung by PSR. 

 

He will have bigger ambitions than LCFC fundamentally anyway.

[sharpylcfc]

Both.

[adejo92]

Wouldn't trust Top to get a better DOF in so KP out.

 

As with most weeds, you need to get rid of the root.

[Dan]

King Power Out.

[Foxin_Mad]

8 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It'll be like shopping in Harrods with a fiver. 

 

Even if he was tempted, what is actually tempting him? A salary we probably can't afford, a basket of ageing players on crappy contracts he can't shift and hamstrung by PSR. 

 

He will have bigger ambitions than LCFC fundamentally anyway.

Best I can say is it would be a challenge to sort it out, maybe 2 fingers at Ratcliffe. We can afford things but the club needs to operate more sustainably, not spunk 220 million on shite maybe offer a big bonus to get us established back in the Premier League be worth a shout, obviously we won't do anything as top guy is there. 

[Tommy G]

33% of people on a forum that are very pro ''KP out'' means that distills down to probably about 2-5% of the match day going fan unfortunately.

 

Not sure how many ''fans'' know who John Rudkin is either.

Edited 3 February by Tommy G

[Foxin_Mad]

53 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

33% of people on a forum that are very pro ''KP out'' means that distills down to probably about 2-5% of the match day going fan unfortunately.

 

Not sure how many ''fans'' know who John Rudkin is either unfortunately.

Maybe the happy clapping, honesty flag waving, donut eating clowns might wake up when we are in League 2. We certainly are heading there at a rate.

Edited 3 February by Foxin_Mad

[inckley fox]

I guess the idea here is to simplify the messaging ahead of any protests so that everyone can be on the same page.

 

If the aim is to 'go strong', then 'KP Out' is the obvious one, but far too many people are going to think twice before getting behind that - rightly or wrongly. They'll point out how good they've been for us on balance in comparison to past owners, and to owners elsewhere. You'll hear 'Yes they took a risk, but so does every other club - it's the modern game to blame, not them'. The protest will fall flat. You saw people losing interest just because we won a game last week, so it's not as if the movement is in any way focused.

 

The alternative, and the one which people would be more comfortable in getting behind is 'Rudkin Out', of course.

 

But I just feel it could be rather misguided. If those ITK have been right where they've said that he's basically one of the only footballing voices in the boardroom who has to run around doing his best to do Top's bidding, and who is effectively set up to shield the owner from some of the flak, then directing it all at him gives Top an easy way out without actually changing anything problematic.

 

While the aforementioned could all be true of JR and he could still - as most of us suspect - be pretty useless as a DoF, making a protest about him may well backfire, because we simply don't know the dynamics at play. A large reason for Rudkin becoming the scapegoat in the first place is that people didn't want to direct their gripes at owners that they were very fond of. It wasn't 100% well-reasoned.

 

All sorts of things we hold the DoF responsible for (and it's no exaggeration to say that he's been blamed for everything on here this week from recruitment to wage structure to team selection) will have very little to do with him. People might get on board with the messaging, but if the argument is fundamentally flawed and counterproductive, would it be worth it? There are plenty of very convincing voices on here who felt sure that everything would be hunky dory the moment Congerton went, or Rodgers went, or Cooper went. Then there's Rudkin. And now we're moving on to Ruud. What we know is that stuff has been badly done for some time, but part of the confusion is - and always has been - that we're not sure how, nor who is responsible. What if - and it's a serious possibility - Rudkin is indeed not up to scratch, but is the closest any of the higher-ups come to being competent in a footballing sense? What's Top going to learn from that sort of protest?

 

And if you doubt that there's any serious danger of that being the case, just look at how people have dismissed people on here who have said 'hang on a minute, perhaps that isn't Rudkin's fault?' Bearing in mind we're all annoyed and all looking for major change, it doesn't bode well if people are too busy pumping their chests and yelling 'I want blood!' to be willing to respond to those points without accusing people of being Rudkin in disguise, or just boring.

 

Personally I'd keep any co-ordinated message simple, and in line with what little we have in common on the matter: People want change in the form of a substantial reset which we can see and hear.

 

Beyond that, pockets of people can call for Top or call for Rudkin as they choose. But that's not concretely what the protest is about. If it's about the former, it'll fall flat. If it's about the latter, it may well be pointless. If, like me, you suspect that Rudkin would be one of many casualties if the necessary restructuring ever too place, then the best way of seeing the right changes and the right people moved on won't be to (a) alienate fans who might be willing to protest by aiming it at Top or (b) to direct the protest at people who aren't the main ones to blame, which might be the case if it's aimed at Rudkin.

[Gazza M]

KP out and Rudkin naturally goes with them. 

[ElusiveEd]

I felt dirty voting for KP out. It just didn't feel right but it's the way they are sleep walking us thro this whole debacle.....AGAIN!.

 

It's like they didn't learn the first time under Rogers and we are absolutely going down a carbon copy route this year too.

 

This can't just be on Rudkin this HAS to be with decisions further up. 

 

Just how can we allow this to happen twice with exactly the same people making exactly the same mistakes? The decisions to change personnel to halt these mistakes has to lay with Top, and to me he is KP, so it was KP out for me I'm afraid.

 

Thanks for the memories but it's time to go.

[sylofox]

Not voting as you don't have a Both option. I don't see it getting better just because Rudkin is gone.

[LCFCCKEANO]

Think both have to go at this point, start fresh, don’t know how new ownership would go and could be awful but at least it’d be different, heading in one direction at the moment with no desire for change. Can’t keep on with the laborious transfer windows and mismanagement of finances