Ben Dawson and Danny Alcock - Left the club

[Chelmofox]

19 minutes ago, Groby_Blue said:

We can't defend for shit and are leaking goals more than at any time I can remember in thirty odd years. Jaap Stam would be brilliant to bring in as a defensive coach. 

 

It might be too late to turn the clowns we've got into half decent defenders but he could do good things with the defenders in the youth set up and help develop them ready for the step up. 

 

And he might be able to get an extra 10% out of Faes and Vesty, meaning we'd only be conceding two goals a game instead of four. 

We said the same things when John Terry joined, and we even had Cags and Evans back then. Nowt that can be done with this lot im afraid. 

[Haywood_6]

He’s not the right fit for us, is he? He’s a big name, he was a great player, but does he really get the club?

We’re not PSV we’re not Man United. We’re dealing with a squad that’s literally all over the place. Is RVN the guy? It was a gamble that's gone badly wrong. We got it wrong with Cooper who signed a load of shite and now RVN's picked up the pieces and hasn't got a clue and it's got worse.

 

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do well somewhere else, in different circumstances, but with what he’s got to work I think he’s a dead man walking at this point. I can't see him being our manager next season, because i think so much damage will be done if we stick with him - he won't be able to come back from it. The connection with the fans will be completely gone. After his comments post-Brentford, saying "The reality is almost every team is better" come on. It might be true and we do need a massive rebuild but those comments worry me. It may be a message to the board but it’s also sending the wrong message to the players who already look completely out of confidence.

 

With so many games left who knows how bad this could get

 

 

[thegaffa]

21 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Is this the same RVN who picks dad's army every game? 

 

He's been piss poor at using our youth players.

I agree he’s been poor at using our youth players this season

[Foxdiamond]

16 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

He’s not the right fit for us, is he? He’s a big name, he was a great player, but does he really get the club?

We’re not PSV we’re not Man United. We’re dealing with a squad that’s literally all over the place. Is RVN the guy? It was a gamble that's gone badly wrong. We got it wrong with Cooper who signed a load of shite and now RVN's picked up the pieces and hasn't got a clue and it's got worse.

 

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do well somewhere else, in different circumstances, but with what he’s got to work I think he’s a dead man walking at this point. I can't see him being our manager next season, because i think so much damage will be done if we stick with him - he won't be able to come back from it. The connection with the fans will be completely gone. After his comments post-Brentford, saying "The reality is almost every team is better" come on. It might be true and we do need a massive rebuild but those comments worry me. It may be a message to the board but it’s also sending the wrong message to the players who already look completely out of confidence.

 

With so many games left who knows how bad this could get

 

 

The comments are very worrying. Almost as if he trying to detach from any responsibility. If he has no ideas on how to improve the situation then shouldn't be in post

[Filbert Fireworks]

He's absolutely rubbish. 6 home games without even scoring a goal. Sorry but even under Cooper we could score 1 or 2. 

Even came from goals down a couple of times. 

RVN is not the man for us. 

Needs to go. 

Get a big sam type in see if we can get another win somewhere and a few draws. 

Alternate is 100% down under Ruud. 

Went wrong the second he took over. Under him we're losing to relegation rivals. 

Getting hammered 4-0. 

He's terrible needs to go ASAP. 

Maybe he comes good in the future but not happening here, he was a gamble its backfired massively. 

He's blaming the players now, time to part ways. 

 

Edited 25 February by Filbert Fireworks

[SafewayFox]

39 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

He’s not the right fit for us, is he? He’s a big name, he was a great player, but does he really get the club?

We’re not PSV we’re not Man United. We’re dealing with a squad that’s literally all over the place. Is RVN the guy? It was a gamble that's gone badly wrong. We got it wrong with Cooper who signed a load of shite and now RVN's picked up the pieces and hasn't got a clue and it's got worse.

 

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do well somewhere else, in different circumstances, but with what he’s got to work I think he’s a dead man walking at this point. I can't see him being our manager next season, because i think so much damage will be done if we stick with him - he won't be able to come back from it. The connection with the fans will be completely gone. After his comments post-Brentford, saying "The reality is almost every team is better" come on. It might be true and we do need a massive rebuild but those comments worry me. It may be a message to the board but it’s also sending the wrong message to the players who already look completely out of confidence.

 

With so many games left who knows how bad this could get

 

 

His Brentford post-match comments were pure PR mode.

 

It’s exactly what Rodgers did when he switched off and went into “brand protection”.

[ClaphamFox]

16 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

He's absolutely rubbish. 6 home games without even scoring a goal. Sorry but even under Cooper we could score 1 or 2. 

Even came from goals down a couple of times. 

RVN is not the man for us. 

Needs to go. 

Get a big sam type in see if we can get another win somewhere and a few draws. 

Alternate is 100% down under Ruud. 

Went wrong the second he took over. Under him we're losing to relegation rivals. 

Getting hammered 4-0. 

He's terrible needs to go ASAP. 

Maybe he comes good in the future but not happening here, he was a gamble its backfired massively. 

He's blaming the players now, time to part ways. 

 

A win and a few draws won’t come close to keeping us up. Nobody is coming in now and saving our season - we’re done. 
 

IF RVN goes, it will probably be in the summer when we’ll have more choice over his replacement. I’m not convinced he will go, though - part of me suspects the club wants him to take charge of the refresh and take us into next season…

[SafewayFox]

25 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

A win and a few draws won’t come close to keeping us up. Nobody is coming in now and saving our season - we’re done. 
 

IF RVN goes, it will probably be in the summer when we’ll have more choice over his replacement. I’m not convinced he will go, though - part of me suspects the club wants him to take charge of the refresh and take us into next season…

Which is madness considering how little he has shown of being able to do this.

 

I can’t help but feel that if Ruud stays on next season that we’ll have a continuation of the dross and basic football that he trots out now.

 

I’d genuinely take Gary O’Neill over Ruud in the Championship at this point. 

[splinterdream]

5 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

If the club has decided it wants a new manager, Ruud would have gone too.

Pointless to get rid of ruud at this point, so either Ruud has agreed to take us for a promotion push, or he goes at the end of the season, no manager with any worth is coming here with our current squad 

[ClaphamFox]

18 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Pointless to get rid of ruud at this point, so either Ruud has agreed to take us for a promotion push, or he goes at the end of the season, no manager with any worth is coming here with our current squad 

I agree it would be pointless trying to recruit a new manager now. Would Ruud agree to take us until the end of the season and leave then? Possibly, but I think it's more likely that the current plan is for him to be in charge next season. Although you'd imagine that plan might come under review if we continue get pumped 4-0 every week until the end of the season...

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

His Brentford post-match comments were pure PR mode.

 

It’s exactly what Rodgers did when he switched off and went into “brand protection”.

I've just looked up his comments when he first joined. 

 

"“I think the depth of the squad is very good as well,” the Oss-born former striker added. “There are two players in every position of good quality. There’s young, emerging talents, with very experienced players"

 

"It’s a stable club, you can see within the leadership structures that it’s all good and organised and with an idea. Also, the squad, of course, is exciting with young emerging talents, also experienced players… a good mixture.”

 

So there are a few possibilities as to why he's done a 180 in 3 months:

 

- He did poor research in the first place

- He's just covering his arse

- The players aren't having ANOTHER manager and aren't playing for him and he's throwing them under the bus

- He's a shit coach

 

Or any mixture of the above. 

[moore_94]

[Dmitry]

The goalkeeping coach Danny Alcock, who knew full well that Danny was shit, and still didn't tell RVN, should've been fired at halftime of the Wolves match. 

Also, RVN brought his own GK coach. What the f... was he doing at training?

Edited 25 February by Dmitry

[Sly]

14 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Think he had a bust up with staff at PSV too....

He did. 
 

He then walked with one game left I believe. 

[woznotwos]

You can’t polish a turd

[Harboro]

13 hours ago, teblin said:

Is there anyone else in the Pep club from Man city that we could go for that may have worked with Murphy? Other than Enzo.

Piet Cremers, would have overlapped with Barry-Murphy at Man City and also worked with Jelle at Burnley, very much seems the missing link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy8759zeevpo

Edited 25 February by Harboro

[Gamble92]

Have it on good authority we have a new coach arriving Thursday -

 

Edited 25 February by Gamble92

[Corky]

15 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Also read that several players at PSV complained to the board about his methods 😂😂😂

Our players would never do that.

[SafewayFox]

Re-reading both Alcock and Dawson’s previous experience….we really were shopping in the bargain bin this summer weren’t we?

 

Alcock was obviously a Cooper hire from their Forest connections.

 

But Dawson’s track record at Newcastle didn’t scream out being a trailblazer did it

 

I don’t know why I’m surprised as we only seem to sign players suggested by agents in the main.

 

Another reason for Top/Rudkin to go IMO.

[MPH]

On 24/02/2025 at 07:28, Happy Fox said:

 

We have missed the boat, unless Jaap Staam is incoming?

 

good job it isn’t Bergkamp incoming or we would have missed the plane..

[Happy Fox]

Sky Sports News understands Van Nistelrooy wanted to affect some change, with results so negative on the pitch, and feels that having some different ideas and voices at training and around matchday might help that, and the club’s bosses have agreed with the manager.

Ex-Leicester player Andy King was promoted to the first-team coaching staff last week, stepping up from the academy. He is now expected to play a more prominent role in preparing the team.

There has been no falling out between members of Leicester’s first-team coaching staff.

Brian Barry-Murphy and Jelle ten Rouwelaar remain in prominent coaching roles with the first team, with Andrew Hughes still a specialist coach in charge of set-pieces.

[Gamble92]

23 hours ago, Dmitry said:

The goalkeeping coach Danny Alcock, who knew full well that Danny was shit, and still didn't tell RVN, should've been fired at halftime of the Wolves match. 

Also, RVN brought his own GK coach. What the f... was he doing at training?

Have to agree. Of all the unbelievably bad decisions, playing Ward has to be right up there. It isn't an exaggeration to say playing him has been the single most costly decision in the clubs history. 

 

I can only assume that his cup "heroics" against Walsall got him some credit in the bank. The Welsh connection helped him gain favour with Cooper and I just ****ing knew when he was no.2 that we'd end up with him in goal for a Premier League match again. Utterly clueless.

[bald reynard]

17 hours ago, Harboro said:

Piet Cremers, would have overlapped with Barry-Murphy at Man City and also worked with Jelle at Burnley, very much seems the missing link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy8759zeevpo

Good call, but unfortunately Cremers is under contract with the Welsh National team.  The first person Bellamy brought in, when he  got the Wales job.  He is the bees knees though when it comes tp Performance Analysis and since Rands (he's just been appointed at Dortmund, so he's not lost any reputation !) left with Cooper, we've had no one doing that job.

[Dmitry]

27 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Have to agree. Of all the unbelievably bad decisions, playing Ward has to be right up there. It isn't an exaggeration to say playing him has been the single most costly decision in the clubs history. 

 

I can only assume that his cup "heroics" against Walsall got him some credit in the bank. The Welsh connection helped him gain favour with Cooper and I just ****ing knew when he was no.2 that we'd end up with him in goal for a Premier League match again. Utterly clueless.

Indeed. Makes me wonder why so many fans can see what so few in the position of power cannot. Or won't.

[cityfanlee23]

On 25/02/2025 at 10:40, Chelmofox said:

We said the same things when John Terry joined, and we even had Cags and Evans back then. Nowt that can be done with this lot im afraid. 

Not disagreeing with your point but just to add Cags wasn’t in the squad until Smith, Shakey and Terry came in and we instantly improved. 
 

Defensively we are awful but confidence is also at rock bottom, we are bad but we aren’t this bad. I even said defensively we were massively flattered last season, whenever teams attacked us they looked dangerous, a mix of bad finishing and controlling possession flattered our defensive record for sure. 
 

Our defence could improve massively though, no doubt in my mind Moyesy would have improved us defensively and offensively, he apparantely didn’t want to come here in the end but i do think Ruud is not addressing the basics.