Next Manager

[GlenParvaFox]

5 hours ago, GLC said:

Picking between Wilder and O’Neil 

 

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, Dan said:

This isn't going to work is it. Just doesn't come across like a manager.

He’s not a manager - he’s a coach who wants to be a manager but doesn’t possess the  leadership skills to do it. It may take one more failed attempt at being a manager for him to realise this, which is bad news for the club that’s stupid enough to appoint….ah. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Danny Rohl made so much sense, that I never had any faith in it happening. 

Lets face it Top and Rudkin can't get the simplest things over the line slight bit of complexity and they're ****ed. 

 

[Vindaloo FOX]

I really hope it's Wilder, the man has enough experience to put together a decent Championship side and hopefully give us a chance to go back up.

 

Think he would be great for Andy King also.

[fox_favourite]

14 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

I really hope it's Wilder, the man has enough experience to put together a decent Championship side and hopefully give us a chance to go back up.

 

Think he would be great for Andy King also.

Now there's a sentence I bet you didn't think you'll ever say...

[dooflip]

6 hours ago, Rob1742 said:

Honestly if I was to look around at who is available I’d go for Ruud Van Nistleroy.

 

 

Is that a “Rudkin look” where you just call your uk based agent pals about free British based managers with experience in this country?

 

Europe, and the wider world has an abundance of young-ish, out of work managers that we would be well suited to appointing. Problem is, both top and rudkin missed their last specsavers appointment as rudders was too busy showing off his lack of gag reflex.

[CosbehFox]

The actual manager is one thing but the more damning matter is that it’s taken them two months decide they want rid of RvN and over that period have either:- 

 

a) done zero contingency planning 

b) or royally messed up previous negotiations with Martin and/or Rohl, now onto Plan C 

 

There is no other business in the world where it’s captive audience could pay for something in late April and such incompetence be shown yet we still all be in the stadium come start of August 

[fox_favourite]

11 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

The actual manager is one thing but the more damning matter is that it’s taken them two months decide they want rid of RvN and over that period have either:- 

 

a) done zero contingency planning 

b) or royally messed up previous negotiations with Martin and/or Rohl, now onto Plan C 

 

There is no other business in the world where it’s captive audience could pay for something in late April and such incompetence be shown yet we still all be in the stadium come start of August 

They are reactive rather than pro active, which is counter productive in a business such as football. 

 

Being reactive means more mistakes, more rash decisions, less forward thinking. This is why a new DoF is crucial for the future of the club, it's being ran so poorly it's now obvious to everyone. 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

They are reactive rather than pro active, which is counter productive in a business such as football. 

 

Being reactive means more mistakes, more rash decisions, less forward thinking. This is why a new DoF is crucial for the future of the club, it's being ran so poorly it's now obvious to everyone. 

An excellent DoF would be a start but I still think the setup would leave them restricted in what they do as everything has to go through Top by all accounts and at the mercy of him deliberating over what to do all the while.

 

Any DoF worth their salt would quickly get fed up with that and leave.

 

We need a whole new ownership and structure. It's ran it's course. Thanks for the memories Top.

[fox_favourite]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

An excellent DoF would be a start but I still think the setup would leave them restricted in what they do as everything has to go through Top by all accounts and at the mercy of him deliberating over what to do all the while.

 

Any DoF worth their salt would quickly get fed up with that and leave.

 

We need a whole new ownership and structure. It's ran it's course. Thanks for the memories Top.

If you get a fairly competent person in, with a structure around him to run the club, then Top can take a back seat to it? Then he only needs to approve budgets then DoF can be left to it with his team. 

 

I don't know, maybe I'm thinking of it too simplistic, but surely that is the way forward. 

 

But I think you're right, everything leads to poor ownership and it's time for them to move on so we can evolve. 

 

The family brought us the best of times, which won't be forgotten. But in the same breath they have led us down a dark path due to too many mistakes and no accountability. 

 

Im with you on this, @Ric Flair

[ronnup]

Could be lined up to sell so he's stalling on spending owt

[CosbehFox]

13 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

If you get a fairly competent person in, with a structure around him to run the club, then Top can take a back seat to it? Then he only needs to approve budgets then DoF can be left to it with his team. 

 

I don't know, maybe I'm thinking of it too simplistic, but surely that is the way forward. 

 

But I think you're right, everything leads to poor ownership and it's time for them to move on so we can evolve. 

 

The family brought us the best of times, which won't be forgotten. But in the same breath they have led us down a dark path due to too many mistakes and no accountability. 

 

Im with you on this, @Ric Flair

Fundamentally I don’t think it’s in South-East Asia business culture to do this. They want the autocratic control. You only have to look at Cardiff, Wednesday and Reading for example 

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

An excellent DoF would be a start but I still think the setup would leave them restricted in what they do as everything has to go through Top by all accounts and at the mercy of him deliberating over what to do all the while.

 

Any DoF worth their salt would quickly get fed up with that and leave.

 

We need a whole new ownership and structure. It's ran it's course. Thanks for the memories Top.

The crooks is he isn’t a DOF is he? Which makes this whole situation utterly ridiculous….. it seems Top just runs on loyalty…. Rudkin could steal his Mrs and he would still be kept in his role. I’m amazed any manager would want to come anywhere near us. Rudkin might be a nice bloke, and work hard, but he is so clearly out of his depth it’s frightening that he’s still in position. 
 

Surely Top as an alleged business person, should see this? Surely operating where more than your revenue is spent on player wages should be a red flag? This whole scenario is just mind blowing…. I mean the one thing it appears we have got right is the academy, which may end up bailing us out financially if the lads we hope develop properly…..

 

The more you sit and think about it, the more painful it is. 

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, Pliskin said:

The crooks is he isn’t a DOF is he? Which makes this whole situation utterly ridiculous….. it seems Top just runs on loyalty…. Rudkin could steal his Mrs and he would still be kept in his role. I’m amazed any manager would want to come anywhere near us. Rudkin might be a nice bloke, and work hard, but he is so clearly out of his depth it’s frightening that he’s still in position. 
 

Surely Top as an alleged business person, should see this? Surely operating where more than your revenue is spent on player wages should be a red flag? This whole scenario is just mind blowing…. I mean the one thing it appears we have got right is the academy, which may end up bailing us out financially if the lads we hope develop properly…..

 

The more you sit and think about it, the more painful it is. 

Top isn’t a business person. He’s a polo-playing rich kid whose father was a business person. 

[Pliskin]

Deep down, I don’t think Top wants this anymore. The emotional attachment and potentially family are probably stopping him from letting go, but the best thing he can do now is sell the club and walk away, the memories will remain memories, but he’s destroying his families legacy. Just sell the club, Top. 

[Pliskin]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

Top isn’t a business person. He’s a polo-playing rich kid whose father was a business person. 

Very true.

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

The crooks is he isn’t a DOF is he? Which makes this whole situation utterly ridiculous….. it seems Top just runs on loyalty…. Rudkin could steal his Mrs and he would still be kept in his role. I’m amazed any manager would want to come anywhere near us. Rudkin might be a nice bloke, and work hard, but he is so clearly out of his depth it’s frightening that he’s still in position. 
 

Surely Top as an alleged business person, should see this? Surely operating where more than your revenue is spent on player wages should be a red flag? This whole scenario is just mind blowing…. I mean the one thing it appears we have got right is the academy, which may end up bailing us out financially if the lads we hope develop properly…..

 

The more you sit and think about it, the more painful it is. 

You’ve touched at a nerve there. As far back at five years ago, the debate rumbled on about that on here. Plenty of us pointed out the bloke simply doesn’t do the role of the DoF. Add to that Rudkin is protected by plenty of the old youth guard who pop on here to defend him 

[Grebfromgrebland]

I think we want rohl so we stall on wilder then rohl situation gets too complicated by that time wilder goes elsewhere and we start trying to convince O'Neil to come and be suddenly doubles his salary demands as we're desperate and we cave in so we end up with 3rd choice manager which costs more than the first choice option we should've just got in the first place then we sack O'Neil after 3 months because we're struggling and haven't bought any players that are good enough.

Edited 8 July 2025 by Grebfromgrebland

[Scotch]

19 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Fundamentally I don’t think it’s in South-East Asia business culture to do this. They want the autocratic control. You only have to look at Cardiff, Wednesday and Reading for example 

This IS what Top has been doing though. In my opinion anyway. He's been sitting back and letting the likes of Rudkin and Whelan run the club for him. The only difference is that they are as clueless as him. 

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, Scotch said:

This IS what Top has been doing though. In my opinion anyway. He's been sitting back and letting the likes of Rudkin and Whelan run the club for him. The only difference is that they are as clueless as him. 

Every decision goes through him. Even the smaller stuff such as ticket pricing etc. He wouldn’t be willing to go completely hands off 

Edited 8 July 2025 by CosbehFox

[foxpleasure]

7 hours ago, Rob1742 said:

Honestly if I was to look around at who is available I’d go for Ruud Van Nistleroy.

 

It’s clear that ONeil is being considered, but who would pick him above RVN?

 

Even if you were to go for ONeil it’s a close call between the two who have failed quite badly in the past.

 

if it’s this level we are going.to, or similar, I’d have preferred to see if RVN would have been any good in the championship for a few months and avoided paying him off.

 

 

The fact that he kept picking BDCR over Buonanotte means I would not want him anywhere near our team sheet.

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Every decision goes through him. Even the smaller stuff such as ticket pricing etc. He wouldn’t be willing to go completely hands off 

He should stop paying a CEO and Director of football then.  

[fox_up_north]

Should the manager be appointed today and start work tomorrow, that gives them about 22/23 working days to be ready for the season. 

 

Absolutely mental. 

[VLC86]

6 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Should the manager be appointed today and start work tomorrow, that gives them about 22/23 working days to be ready for the season. 

 

Absolutely mental. 

We are only picking our preferred candidate this week remember.

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

He should stop paying a CEO and Director of football then.  

They get proposals and information together and present it to him. 

 

LCFC works best in its current model when the manager is willing to do some of the DoF role (like football used to be). 

 

Hence why the successes here have been Pearson, Rodgers and Maresca.