Next Manager

[sylofox]

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He ain't walking for over 1 million reasons. It won't even look bad on his CV. Anyone looking at his time here will know what a pile of shit he had to deal with.

 

We ain't sacking him until the next accounting period starts if we even do it then.

[jayfox26]

35 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

We need Dyche. Knows the leagues, doesn’t jump ship first time of asking and he’d sort this mess out. I understand he’s not everyone’s first choice but get this wrong again and we’ll be out the prem for a good while. 

He's short term thinking not long term thinking. We need a good young manager like Danny Rohl.

[jayfox26]

Just now, sylofox said:

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆  this thread.

 

 

He ain't walking for over 1 million reasons. It won't even look bad on his CV. Anyone looking at his time here will know what a pile of shit he had to deal with.

 

We ain't sacking him until the next accounting period starts if we even do it then.

Regardless of what he's had to deal with here, he's proven he's completely useless as a football manager. He won't get another gig anywhere at a decent club. He'll end up at a lowly Dutch club if he's lucky 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I worry the disaster of RvN will scare them that an up and coming managet is not the way to go next and we need a safe pair of hands.

 

The reality is that whoever it is, there's a much bigger overhaul needed and without it I'm no longer able or willing to get behind it. 

 

I need to see drastic and sustained change, otherwise that's me done until Top sells up.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I suspect we will see some kind of change behind the scenes this summer. I'll be very surprised if Rudkin is still DoF next season, for example. Whether the changes are enough to get us back on track is another question, but I think there will be new appointments in some key positions over the summer.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, jayfox26 said:

Regardless of what he's had to deal with here, he's proven he's completely useless as a football manager. He won't get another gig anywhere at a decent club. He'll end up at a lowly Dutch club if he's lucky 

Managers fail with way better squads than he has and still get another gig at the same level.

[Muzzy_no7]

4 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

He's short term thinking not long term thinking. We need a good young manager like Danny Rohl.

1. He’s going Southampton.

2. You think this club are gonna pay for Rohl, Powell, Pederson, Lense and Bibbo? 

[jayfox26]

1 minute ago, sylofox said:

Managers fail with way better squads than he has and still get another gig at the same level.

Yeh but not being able to even score a goal would be a red flag. I'll be amazed if he gets a decent job after this. 

[FLAN]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Maybe I'm naïve, but I suspect we will see some kind of change behind the scenes this summer. I'll be very surprised if Rudkin is still DoF next season, for example. Whether the changes are enough to get us back on track is another question, but I think there will be new appointments in some key positions over the summer.

I agree. His role will change to Football Director after a wholesale review 

[jayfox26]

1 minute ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

1. He’s going Southampton.

2. You think this club are gonna pay for Rohl, Powell, Pederson, Lense and Bibbo? 

Yep I'd heard he's going Southampton. Would we pay for them? No. Should we? Absolutely 

[Les-TA-Jon]

26 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Regarding the rumour that Rohl has "agreed" to join Southampton in the summer, I think this rumour has sprung up because of the media speculation that Southampton wanted him when they sacked Martin, but this doesn't make sense to me.

If we sacked Ruud today and triggered the buyout clause for Danny Rohl, that would force this rumour to be addressed since if there is a secret deal with Southampton to join in the summer that would become a massive media storm. 
If there isn't a secret deal in place already agreed, us sacking Ruud (because we simply have to) and triggering Rohls clause, that would force Southampton to do the same to stop us getting him, and if they really wanted him enough to sign a secret deal, why bother giving an 18 month deal to Ivan Juric? 

If Southampton believed Rohl was the long term option, they could have easily paid his 5m buyout when they sacked Martin, when you consider the amount Southampton will be paying Juric in wages, agent fees, sign on fee, plus the break option to part ways they have allegedly agreed, why didn't they just pay for Rohl? 

I can understand why this secret deal rumour exists, but financially, and from a stability pov, it just makes no sense for Southampton to have gone for Juric, then hand Rohl a championship squad in summer, when they could have handed him a premier league squad with half of the season to play. 

Part ways with Ruud, pay the £5m BEFORE we end up in a new financial year in the championship, give him a few months with a completely free hit so he can properly assess the squad and put transfer targets in place early, or at the very minimum, force Southampton to either publicly announce the deal with Rohl in the summer, and we end up giving the coaches a caretaker role until the summer where I can't see us getting any worse anyway. 

You're missing a key piece of this - why would Rohl want us over Southampton? 

 

We're in a right state - Southampton are in much better shape than us - they can probably make £100m from player sales this summer. Isn't there someone high up at Southampton who worked with Rohl in the past too? 

[Muzzy_no7]

2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

You're missing a key piece of this - why would Rohl want us over Southampton? 

 

We're in a right state - Southampton are in much better shape than us - they can probably make £100m from player sales this summer. Isn't there someone high up at Southampton who worked with Rohl in the past too? 

Only reason he would choose us over them is if he’s settled in the area it’s an easy commute to seagrave, same for his staff. 

[Lcfcwatto]

1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

We need Dyche. Knows the leagues, doesn’t jump ship first time of asking and he’d sort this mess out. I understand he’s not everyone’s first choice but get this wrong again and we’ll be out the prem for a good while. 

Dyche comes across as a decent bloke and had a good run with Burnley. However hasn't done anything of note since. Everton were almost as hopeless as us this season, then they gave him the boot and have since kicked on and got points on the board and are now practically safe. 

 

He is not the answer. Although I do like his disc beard and the Phil Mitchell memes would be more pertinent. 

 

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[funkyrobot]

It tells us how far we have fallen when people are actually suggesting Dycheball™️ as an option. It’s an horrific watch, ask any Everton fan. 

[kingfox]

22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I worry the disaster of RvN will scare them that an up and coming managet is not the way to go next and we need a safe pair of hands.

 

The reality is that whoever it is, there's a much bigger overhaul needed and without it I'm no longer able or willing to get behind it. 

 

I need to see drastic and sustained change, otherwise that's me done until Top sells up.

The thin hope I have of them going the up-and-coming route is the fact they’ve done it before with Maresca. 
 

But as I mentioned in that post, other clubs who’ve had similar trajectories to us recently have gone the safe route. 
 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we do the same, but the fear I have is those “safe” options are currently very uninspiring options. Whether Martin, O’Neil, Dyche, Gerrard. They are all unappealing, and are the type of managers who will probably get you so far, then you’ll be forced into another managerial change. 
 

I’d love nothing more than drastic change both on and off the pitch. When it comes to on the pitch, I want this possession obsessed pattern to end, while I hope a good chunk of the squad depart in the summer. 
 

But I can just see us going round in the same cycle, another possession heavy manager with the likes of Vestergaard and Winks still remaining as the key cogs of the squad. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

9 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

It tells us how far we have fallen when people are actually suggesting Dycheball™️ as an option. It’s an horrific watch, ask any Everton fan. 

People said the same about Moyes, Nuno, and various others. He can’t be any worse than what we’ll end up with. 

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

He's a Brendan Rodgers clone. Want him nowhere near the club

Another management type who knows how to say all the right things that people want to hear. It's amazing how much people continue to swallow it.

[Philkeavo]

30 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Maybe I'm naïve, but I suspect we will see some kind of change behind the scenes this summer. I'll be very surprised if Rudkin is still DoF next season, for example. 

It’s the only positive thing I’ve read in ages. What leads you to this view. I see zero evidence KPFC are going to shake things up, so I am latching on to any crumb…

[LVFox]

Think Ange would drop to the championship if/when Spurs sack him?

[TheGoldenGod]

41 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

To be fair I quoted you but wasn't just talking about you, so apologies if it came across that way. I've seen a few state that we should stick with Ruud if we can only attract Dyche etc. These are the same people who said we shouldn't bother going for Moyes, Nuno, Corberan etc.

 

Ruud cannot be allowed to manage here next season, he's arguably the worst PL manager I've ever seen.

Fair enough then mate. I think its becoming untenable for Ruud also but I don't believe he's the root cause at all. Been dealt a terrible hand with no backing and he's made changes the fans asked for with personal and formations but nothings worked. The players are both terrible and their confidence is rock bottom. It's a recipe for relegation no matter how you look at it. Not sure at this point who we'd get in but I'm firmly in the camp of sticking with the progressive type. It worked last year wonderfully.

[Happy Fox]

Just now, LVFox said:

Think Ange would drop to the championship if/when Spurs sack him?

 

Nope, his stock won't drop down to a championship level club.

[funkyrobot]

7 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

People said the same about Moyes, Nuno, and various others. He can’t be any worse than what we’ll end up with. 

Moyes and Nuno play with some attacking intent. Dyche has always played the one system and watching his negative non football would be a move that takes us back to the pre Pearson dark ages. We are talking Gary Meggo Megson levels. As I say, ask Everton fans. 

[Happy Fox]

Stevie G to the rescue 

[cityfanlee23]

32 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

You're missing a key piece of this - why would Rohl want us over Southampton? 

 

We're in a right state - Southampton are in much better shape than us - they can probably make £100m from player sales this summer. Isn't there someone high up at Southampton who worked with Rohl in the past too? 

I completely agree, Southampton are in a far better position, most of their key assets are not on stupid wages and they have a lot of talent for the future. 
 

If given a choice between us and Southampton he would choose Southampton on ever metric apart from facilities, in every other detail they are better run. 
 

But that only becomes a possibility if we both wait until the summer. If he doesn’t have a secret deal in place then we should be triggering that clause NOW to really give him a choice to make. And if Southampton were really that keen on signing him why did they bring in Juric on an 18 month deal? 

[whoareyaaa]

Will be Southgate or Dyche 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I completely agree, Southampton are in a far better position, most of their key assets are not on stupid wages and they have a lot of talent for the future. 
 

If given a choice between us and Southampton he would choose Southampton on ever metric apart from facilities, in every other detail they are better run. 
 

But that only becomes a possibility if we both wait until the summer. If he doesn’t have a secret deal in place then we should be triggering that clause NOW to really give him a choice to make. And if Southampton were really that keen on signing him why did they bring in Juric on an 18 month deal? 

 

Juric was seen as a stop gap for Southampton, Rohl is the manager they are waiting for and can get him in the summer cheaper.