Expectation and entitlement.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Being unimpressed with the worst season in our history isn't entitled.

 

If you think it is you're beyond help or just attention seeking.

[Nolucklcfc]

I think there has without question been some entitlement in the fanbase over the years stemming from the title win. However, that’s gone now and from where we were, to drop as far as we have, we should be absolutely furious and more than we are now. It’s unacceptable. We were the one club that had progressed beyond being a yo-yo club and won trophies, challenged the top 6 etc and it was so refreshing. But we’ve gone completely back because of constant poor decisions off the pitch. It’s so frustrating and so when as a fanbase, we get labelled as being entitled now, it’s just lazy. Shiny training ground mean naff all unfortunately unless you get results. The failure for this board to provide any communication on what the plan or future is only adds to the anger. I’m fed up and don’t really know what the future is. King power out. 

[accessory]

28 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

The worst thing is, we have got even worse at making clueless off the field decisions since going down. Not only did they not learn from it, they have doubled down. If you list the main culprits  that are classed as deadwood or financial burdens:

 

Signed/contract extended since relegation:

Vestergaard

Coady

Ndidi

Winks

Ayew

BDR

Skipp

 

Signed before

Ward

Soumare

Faes

Kristiansen

 

Obviously Faes and Kristiansen were signed during the relegation season.

 

There’s just not sign of things even improving which is the worst bit.

You missed Vardy, a Championship player (at best) these days on Champions League wages, from your list of shame.

 

Rudkin's decision to give him a new deal, while a popular one at the time, proved to be a huge factor in our impending demise.

 

Yes, he scored a shedload of goals last season.

 

But Sammie Szmodics scored even more (while playing in a far weaker side) and has also sunk within trace at a higher level.

 

I'm at an age to have lived through 77-78, 94-95, 01-02 and 07-08 - four of the most dismal, depressing seasons this club and its fans have ever endured.

 

Yet in three of the above cases we found the strength to bounce back with promotion the following year (the fourth time, under Jock Wallace, took as long as two years).

 

This time around, though, the problems seem far more deep-rooted.  City, both on and off the pitch, have sunk to depths on and off the pitch that even Derby never reached in 2008.

 

In the 17 years since, the sheep have rarely threatened a return to the top flight and currently seem likely to be returning to League 1 next season. They're not likely to escape lower-league drudgery any time soon.

 

Given the toxicity levels hanging over us right now, their fate is one that could very easily befall us.

Edited 19 April by accessory
Omission

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, accessory said:

You missed Vardy, a Championship player (at best) these days on Champions League wages, from your list of shame.

 

Rudkin's decision to give him a new deal, while a popular one at the time, proved to be a huge factor in our impending demise.

 

Yes, he scored a shedload of goals last season.

 

But Sammie Szmodics scored even more (while playing in a far weaker side) and has also sunk within trace at a higher level.

 

I'm at an age to have lived through 77-78, 94-95, 01-02 and 07-08 - four of the most dismal, depressing seasons this club and its fans have ever endured.

 

Yet in three of the above cases we found the strength to bounce back with promotion the following year (the fourth time, under Jock Wallace, took as long as two years).

 

This time around, though, the problems seem far more deep-rooted.  City, both on and off the pitch, have sunk to depths on and off the pitch that even Derby never reached in 2008.

 

In the 17 years since, the sheep have rarely threatened a return to the top flight and currently seem likely to be returning to League 1 next season. They're not likely to escape lower-league drudgery any time soon.

 

Given the toxicity levels hanging over us right now, their fate is one that could very easily befall us.

Yeah I agree to be fair. I was thinking of the signings but yes I did include Vestergaard and Ndidi (the latter who had given good service to the club). So yeah as hard as it is, I’d include Vardy. I think it’d have been really hard to say bye to him last season whereas now most of us are saying yeah, he needs o go. So maybe it’s a good thing in the sense of making it easier to say goodbye but not financially at all.

 

The rest, yep all true. People just assume we will bounce back but if the decisions carry on as they are, there will be points deductions and chaos in our upcoming future.

[davieG]

As an investor (ST/Matchday Ticket) I'm entitled to to believe it will be run professionally within budgets and for the betterment of it for me one of it's customers/fans.

 

It's not about winning trophies or staying in the PL (I've seen my fair share of trophies and relegations in 60 years) it's about how the club is managed.

 

Those in charge have mismanaged this club to a point where fans can't see a future, what are they to think? Should they be happy? Certainly not they have a right to be angry with how so much hard earned success (not defined by winning trophies) and entertainment being tossed away seemingly without care and certainly without comment.

 

The Board should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

[crisp packet]

Not entitled. It’s Patronising..

 

Poor decisions over a substantial period have cost us . One decent transfer window in years has cost us . Renewing contracts of players who don’t deserve and our failure to get rid of such players is why we are where we are. 
Same players, same shit different day . 

[Poznan34]

Fellas, is it entitled to expect to not lose four nil at home to Brentford? 

 

Long answer:

 

"Entitled" is the sort of language that is used by people that don't have a clue or are up the wind up. 

 

We have fallen off disgracefully in recent years. This is due to bad decision making compounding and is likely to continue as the effects of the contracts handed out continues to hurt us - #Vestergaard2027 anyone? 

 

This season, we have have been embarrassed weekly. I can't remember the last time we scored the first goal in a match. We have barely competed versus teams we used to turn over. 

 

Title aside, we had a good run with top half finishes, European footy and the cup win. Now, literally only three years later, we have pissed it all away and now can't compete with Brentford, Fulham, Brighton, Notts Forest. We had a massive advantage over these teams for a decade plus and it's gone and more. 

 

We now have potentially years of mediocrity to look forward to because the people at the top made crap decisions. And the people at the top are still there and don't look like leaving anytime soon because our club is run as weird and secretive institution. 

 

So, are we entitled? No, we can just see how far we've fallen and how quickly, what the immediate future looks like and what we could have had if the club was run vaguely competently.

 

 

[João Miguel da Cunha]

14 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Being unimpressed with the worst season in our history isn't entitled.

 

If you think it is you're beyond help or just attention seeking.

@Sol thewall Bamba Hi mate, genuine question, when Cooper was appointed, his recruitment, the financial restraints of PSR, potential points deduction, the sale of KDH, the obvious year upon year improvement of even the most ‘average’ of PL sides, what were your expecting, if anything?  
 

You can dangle a carrot of having the worst top flight season in the clubs history, fair! Come August not a single person will care, inside or outside the ground about these arbitrary things the media throws out to create headlines and steer narratives this way or that. 
 

Football moves on. 
 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, João Miguel da Cunha said:

@Sol thewall Bamba Hi mate, genuine question, when Cooper was appointed, his recruitment, the financial restraints of PSR, potential points deduction, the sale of KDH, the obvious year upon year improvement of even the most ‘average’ of PL sides, what were your expecting, if anything?  
 

You can dangle a carrot of having the worst top flight season in the clubs history, fair! Come August not a single person will care, inside or outside the ground about these arbitrary things the media throws out to create headlines and steer narratives this way or that. 
 

Football moves on. 
 

 

Yeah no worries, realistic expectations were as follows: 

 

- Club to learn some lessons regarding recruitment, not to put players on their decline on their best ever contracts (Reid and Ajew for example)

- Club to build on the playing style of Enzo, seeing as the squad was set up to play that way.

- Club to learn lessons from how Enzo built a relationship with a decent chunk of the fanbase, to hopefully bring the players a bit closer to the fans again

- Owner to be present and provide at least some transparency and to communicate some kind of plan moving forward.

- Club to utilise some of the youth pipeline that we spent 100m on a training ground to produce.

- Players to fight for the club and the city they represent.

- Not to employ our worst manager in 140 years.

- Not to go on our worst run in our history at home for 140 years.

- Not to turn in our lowest ever points total in 140 years.

- Not to be relegated at Easter.

 

I don't think any of those you could realistically class as "entitled", unless you're totally deluded or a Notts Forest fan in disguise.

 

Everyone new this season was going to be difficult and we'd most likely be in the mix to go down again, but it's the manner that it's happened that has ****ed people off.

 

Hope that helps, let me know if you need it breaking down any further 👍🏼

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 minutes ago, João Miguel da Cunha said:

@Sol thewall Bamba Hi mate, genuine question, when Cooper was appointed, his recruitment, the financial restraints of PSR, potential points deduction, the sale of KDH, the obvious year upon year improvement of even the most ‘average’ of PL sides, what were your expecting, if anything?  
 

You can dangle a carrot of having the worst top flight season in the clubs history, fair! Come August not a single person will care, inside or outside the ground about these arbitrary things the media throws out to create headlines and steer narratives this way or that. 
 

Football moves on. 
 

 

I at least expect some fight, some pride, some innovation in the recruitment of players and managers, a strategy that harnesses the undoubted talent we have in our academy, a desire to use our world class training facilities as an opportunity to maximise marginal gains through analysis, coaching and sports science. 
 

And yet all we can muster is this utter turd of an attempt of a season, where there has been so little in terms of ambition, progression, strategy or desire to have any semblance of a long term plan for us to become sustainable. 
 

when we talk about entitled, it’s actually the ownership, board and even the group of players who believe we are premier league club, and only have to turn up to re-establish  ourselves, the arrogance isn’t in the fanbase, it’s the people to afraid to take ownership of accountability for what has been a spectacular decline. 

[Bourbon Fox]

8 hours ago, João Miguel da Cunha said:

As another season supporting Leicester City comes to a close, I can’t help but not start to question my own expectation level for what ‘success’ means for me following an institution that was created in the late 1800’ that has ultimately given me some of the best days of my life in such a short period of time… 

 

And without wanting to come across as reactionary and ‘divisive’ I can’t help but think as a fan base we’re a little bit spoilt by our recent success.. and before getting absolute leathered that’s not excusing the failings of the last 18 months on and off the field. I’m just a bit at odds with the future of Leicester City and footballing fandom in general. In my opinion, I think at times despite how abhorrent we are on the pitch, do we need to give our heads a wobble, step back and think, could be worse… shiny new training ground, recent history of winning actual trophies with genuine history and pedigree, pathway for young players representing the first-team etc etc 

 

(I’m not Guy Branston, and I’m certainly not employed by King Power, or Leicester City) 

 

Honest. 
 

 

For the thousandth time:

 

Our prior history has NOTHING to do with the fact that we were in a once-in-a-lifetime position to consolidate as one of the top clubs in the Premier League, and we blew it through mismanagement. 

 

That's not entitlement and it was not an unrealistic expectation given where we were.

 

[Skidmark]

A true fan never using the term 'football fandom.'

[Mickyblueeyes]

Nothing happening to our club is normal. There is nothing entitled about asking what the ****. Just because we had some good times doesn’t mean the absolute jackass moves that have us in free fall is ok. Stop pretending it is. Have some pride, self worth and respect for the institution.
 

it’s a moronic suggestion. 

[bovril]

I think both points can be at least partially true. Our near decade of success, especially the miraculous title win, raised our expectations to a place that was always going to be difficult to reach in the closed shop of elite English football. 

 

At the same time the management of the club has been absolutely disastrous since we won the FA Cup (and even before then) and fans are right to be livid about the fact that not only have we dropped out of contention for European places and trophies, but we're struggling even to amass 20 points in the PL. 

[Raj]

Ever since o started supporting city( ie going to games) in the Brian little era we were always deemed as a yo yo club.

A few seasons finally in the top flight after some heartbreaking Wembley play off defeats relegation, fights for promotion,  a couple of fantastic cup wins, relegation dog fights, etc etc.

After THAT win and spending millions and millions and being in the sporting headlines for years, THIS for me is the biggest disappointment that the club has p1ssed this potential up the wall and we are back to where we were 30 years ago.

We aint going back up next season, we are a mess at board level, we are a mess at player/ wages/skill level.

We have missed a massive opportunity  to try and get in that bracket of Premier league stability.

Peoples heads should have rocked for this mess

Edited 19 April by Raj

[MancFox24]

16 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

For the thousandth time:

 

Our prior history has NOTHING to do with the fact that we were in a once-in-a-lifetime position to consolidate as one of the top clubs in the Premier League, and we blew it through mismanagement. 

 

That's not entitlement and it was not an unrealistic expectation given where we were.

 

I think the mistake you've made is thinking we were ever in a position to consolidate ourselves as a top club. That just isn't the way football works.

 

The natural order means we're a club who should be finishing anywhere between the bottom half of the PL to the top half of the Championship. You can over achieve and under achieve, like we've done on several occasions over the last 30 years. But that is our standing in the football pyramid.

 

Of course the decisions you make on and off the pitch affects that and I'm not removing the blame from anyone at the club. In fact I think the problems were originally created by the people at the top of the club sharing your mentality that we had the opportunity to establish ourselves as a big club. We moved away from selling our best players when we had the chance and implemented a ridiculous wage structure that was well beyond our means. But even if we did everything right, we would have still just delayed the inevitable that eventually we would revert to being a bottom half PL club or top half Championship club.

 

And for those praising Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton etc, I'd place a bet that they'll all end up getting relegated in the next 5-10 years. Pretty depressing view of football I know, but that's just the reality.

[sm1]

Expecting people to do their job well isn't entitlement, it should be the standard. I've got no doubt that had Vichai not passed, we would've been in a totally different position. Top et al have ruined all this hard work and as supporters of LCFC, not KP, we should be demanding accountability. 

Edited 19 April by sm1

[phoneticerror]

4 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Oh yay, another pointless thread rambling about nothing. Give your head a wobble. 

Yet you feel the need to reply. Get back in your box.

[iancognito]

As others have said its not the failure. It's how far we've fallen and the fact that -from where we were - we should never have fallen at all.

 

And I never want to hear another person say we've always been a yo-yo club. What we did in the 80s has no bearing on what we do now. Our facilities and setup now is are a world away from Shipman's era.

[Arkie Bennett]

You piqued my interest until the head wobbling bit. I can't take anyone seriously who uses that phrase.

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, iancognito said:

As others have said its not the failure. It's how far we've fallen and the fact that -from where we were - we should never have fallen at all.

 

And I never want to hear another person say we've always been a yo-yo club. What we did in the 80s has no bearing on what we do now. Our facilities and setup now is are a world away from Shipman's era.

I hate this argument

 

Man City used to be a second division club. Does that mean they’d accept falling back to there, because they were there 20 years ago? 

[João Miguel da Cunha]

48 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah no worries, realistic expectations were as follows: 

 

- Club to learn some lessons regarding recruitment, not to put players on their decline on their best ever contracts (Reid and Ajew for example)

- Club to build on the playing style of Enzo, seeing as the squad was set up to play that way.

- Club to learn lessons from how Enzo built a relationship with a decent chunk of the fanbase, to hopefully bring the players a bit closer to the fans again

- Owner to be present and provide at least some transparency and to communicate some kind of plan moving forward.

- Club to utilise some of the youth pipeline that we spent 100m on a training ground to produce.

- Players to fight for the club and the city they represent.

- Not to employ our worst manager in 140 years.

- Not to go on our worst run in our history at home for 140 years.

- Not to turn in our lowest ever points total in 140 years.

- Not to be relegated at Easter.

 

I don't think any of those you could realistically class as "entitled", unless you're totally deluded or a Notts Forest fan in disguise.

 

Everyone new this season was going to be difficult and we'd most likely be in the mix to go down again, but it's the manner that it's happened that has ****ed people off.

 

Hope that helps, let me know if you need it breaking down any further 👍🏼

Reid & Ayew, absolutely, contractually negligible and naive that in 2025 signings like that are being ratified. 
 

With Enzo gone and Cooper now unfortunately in place, I’ve watched enough football at the highest level and going down the pyramid to know that Steve Cooper is not going to even attempt to maintain and develop that style of play a level higher. Hence why the players are stuck attempting what they knew under Enzo whilst trying to attempt whatever Cooper did with them in pre-season (look how pre-season) went. The writing was on the wall a million miles away. 
 

Enzo somewhat built a relationship because ultimately he won enough games to ensure what we all, expected, there’s that awful word. If some fans didn’t like how Enzo played or found it boring, then guess what, don’t go? You can’t sit and tell me despite how Enzo played, fans ‘expected’ more exciting and attacking football. As supporters we’re not ‘entitled’ to a certain brand of football, you can only hope the people employed to make decisions directly linked to football operations get it right, more often than not. Over time I think you could argue ours have. 
 

The owner of a football club mid-season or a director of football isn’t going to come out publicly and say ‘yeah got that wrong sorry’ then now with the power of hindsight, again come out and say ‘we got it wrong again, but even worse x1000’ sorry hehe with regards to RvN. 

 

As much as we all want players like Jordan Ayew to run around pretending to care about the badge that he represents, have you watched Jordan Ayew play for the last 13/14 years? 
 

I appreciate I’ve probably come at this at an obtuse angle mentioning entitlement and how I perceive certain sections of the fanbase or sections of the media’s vague interpretation of where we currently are as a football club, but not caring is still caring, somewhat, and I get annoyed that what’s going on with us annoys me. Ultimately I’m powerless to make any difference unless just accepting what a poor job is being done, with the hope that they get something right in the next few years. 

New season starts tomorrow, hopefully. 

 

 

[Haywood_6]

Thanks for sharing, OP. Some might not agree with this but I think this is an important conversation to have. For nearly a decade we were a stable Premier League club and it’s painful to watch how poor footballing decisions have dragged us down to where we are now. But when you take a step back and look at our full history, we’ve always been something of a yo-yo team. I actually found out the other day that after this season, we’ll actually hold the record for the most relegations in English top flight history. Not exactly a stat you want to brag about!

 

Watching Leicester compete in Europe and win major trophies was unbelievable for me. Amazing memories and it felt like a dream. But we have to face facts now - the road back to that level looks incredibly long. My hope is to see us become a stable Premier League side again, maybe even pushing for a top 10 finish. But I know it’s going to take time, smart decisions, and a lot of hard work to get there.

[Corky]

Two relegations in three seasons takes any entitlement out of a fanbase. Especially with the first containing players now excelling in Europe, winning domestic cups and near the top of the Premier League overseen in the main by an "elite" coach.

The second is likely to be club record -breakingly bad with some aspects of it the worst in the history of the entire League.

 

Expectation has grown and rightly so. This is unacceptable.

[MancFox24]

12 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I hate this argument

 

Man City used to be a second division club. Does that mean they’d accept falling back to there, because they were there 20 years ago? 

Not sure anyone is saying you should look at a single point in history and assume that's where a club should be. I don't think a club like ours should consistently be as low down as league one, in the same way it shouldn't be consistently challenging for top 6. But we've done both of those things in recent history. I wouldn't be using  Man City as an example anyway cus they've essentially cheated the system to get to where they are now