Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[beepee1984]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

There seems to be a resignation among our fanbase that a points deduction is inevitable, almost deserved, when all outcomes are still possible. De Marco might succesfully argue our case again or a points deduction could be suspended. Not many know but I don't think it's the fait accompli that some think it is. Too much forelock tugging going on.

I'm just taking the prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if any other outcome happens approach.

 

However I think even if we do get a points deduction, we realistically should still be able to survive in the Championship if the Manager and players buck their ideas up - where we can rebuild the squad and financially footing to move back upwards. We just need to return to our old scouting model which appeared to have much more thought behind it than in recent years

[Tommy G]

3 minutes ago, beepee1984 said:

I'm just taking the prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if any other outcome happens approach.

 

However I think even if we do get a points deduction, we realistically should still be able to survive in the Championship if the Manager and players buck their ideas up - where we can rebuild the squad and financially footing to move back upwards. We just need to return to our old scouting model which appeared to have much more thought behind it than in recent years

Scouting model won't help us this season though, bit too little too late. 

[Footballwipe]

On 28/11/2025 at 20:13, Terraloon said:

It cost £100 million . The problem would be as VLC86 said who would buy it ? 
 

There is absolutely no doubt the facilities are word class but they must cost an absolute fortune to run.

 

For perspective the business rates alone in 25/26 will have cost £. £1.562 million in 26/27 they go up to £ £1.747 million.

 

 

Charnwood Borough Council must've been cock-a-hoop when they realised they wanted to build this in their area. Even only keeping half of the rates it's quite the income boost!

[ClaphamFox]

10 minutes ago, beepee1984 said:

I'm just taking the prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if any other outcome happens approach.

 

However I think even if we do get a points deduction, we realistically should still be able to survive in the Championship if the Manager and players buck their ideas up - where we can rebuild the squad and financially footing to move back upwards. We just need to return to our old scouting model which appeared to have much more thought behind it than in recent years

Successive managers have tried and failed to instill a strong mentality in the squad. It's been a major problem for four of the past five seasons, interrupted only by Enzo's brief stay. And so far it looks like Marti is more Cooper/RVN than Maresca. It's not his fault he isn't an elite manager, but it's a problem for us when that's what we need to get out of this mess. 

[Happy Fox]

12 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Successive managers have tried and failed to instill a strong mentality in the squad. It's been a major problem for four of the past five seasons, interrupted only by Enzo's brief stay. And so far it looks like Marti is more Cooper/RVN than Maresca. It's not his fault he isn't an elite manager, but it's a problem for us when that's what we need to get out of this mess. 

 

Marti has done nothing in his career to suggest he would be a competent manager at this level, Cooper granted has done the buisiness in the championship before, and RVN was a disaster at premier league level, but did an okay job in Europe. We just need a manger that is competant at this level, whether that's Carrick, or someone of that ilk.

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Marti has done nothing in his career to suggest he would be a competent manager at this level, Cooper granted has done the buisiness in the championship before, and RVN was a disaster at premier league level, but did an okay job in Europe. We just need a manger that is competant at this level, whether that's Carrick, or someone of that ilk.

If our squad was basically of good character and just lacking in confidence or tactical direction, I'd be inclined to agree. But I suspect the issues with the club and the squad run so deep that a manager who is merely competent would struggle to get much out of our players. I fear we need somebody exceptional—and they are hard to come by.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Successive managers have tried and failed to instill a strong mentality in the squad. It's been a major problem for four of the past five seasons, interrupted only by Enzo's brief stay. And so far it looks like Marti is more Cooper/RVN than Maresca. It's not his fault he isn't an elite manager, but it's a problem for us when that's what we need to get out of this mess. 

Very difficult to build a strong mentality when you over pay to the extent we have. Players reach their absolute ceiling (and then some) and there is literally no incentive to improve. Not so much of a problem if you recruit good characters and model pros, but we’ve not only over paid we’ve done so with some absolute willy pullers.
 

I think the term is ‘hoist by your own petard’.

[Spudulike]

Seagrave. The wrong call was made to develop the training base instead of the stadium.

[Katy]

2 hours ago, beepee1984 said:

I'm just taking the prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if any other outcome happens approach.

 

However I think even if we do get a points deduction, we realistically should still be able to survive in the Championship if the Manager and players buck their ideas up - where we can rebuild the squad and financially footing to move back upwards. We just need to return to our old scouting model which appeared to have much more thought behind it than in recent years

It’s the bucking up of ideas that I think we’ll have a problem with. 

[grth2004]

Still no news then ? 
 

i do wonder if there’s a fight behind the scenes with the FA and our lawyers. 
 

Cases like Sheffield Wednesday seem to get immediate action because there’s no argument yet us and in the extreme end Man City seem to wait forever. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

44 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Very difficult to build a strong mentality when you over pay to the extent we have. Players reach their absolute ceiling (and then some) and there is literally no incentive to improve. Not so much of a problem if you recruit good characters and model pros, but we’ve not only over paid we’ve done so with some absolute willy pullers.
 

I think the term is ‘hoist by your own petard’.

It's not just the overpaying. The decline of the club's standing over the last 3-4 years affects the players too. 

 

Majority of our players were signed under very different conditions to where they find themselves. 

• Faes joined a team that had just finished 5th, 5th and 8th. Has since had 2 relegations. He'll likely have little love for the club
• Okoli's career has totally stalled here
• Souttar probably never wanted to come in the first place but Stoke couldn't turn down such a good deal - since? Loans and injuries...
• Kristiansen - see Okoli
• Pereira - probably feels lucky to still be here given his injury record - but would have likely left for a 'big' club at some point but for the injuries. Still he's gone stale and stayed too long. 
• Soumare - thought he'd signed with a top half PL team...

And so on and so on

 

It's no wonder the mentality of the squad is in the toilet. I can't think of many players who enjoy being here at the moment

[davieG]

3 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Marti has done nothing in his career to suggest he would be a competent manager at this level, Cooper granted has done the buisiness in the championship before, and RVN was a disaster at premier league level, but did an okay job in Europe. We just need a manger that is competant at this level, whether that's Carrick, or someone of that ilk.

Carrick's hardly set the world alight and he's even less experienced than Marti.

 

Stats from Softscore

 

About Michael Carrick
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Number of games as a manager - 139
Number of wins - 65
Number of losses - 49
Preferred formation - 4-2-3-1

 

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Marti Cifuentes (43 years old) is current Leicester City coach.

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Number of games as a manager - 341
Number of wins - 137
Number of losses - 112
Preferred formation - 4-2-3-1

[Globalfox]

5 hours ago, grth2004 said:

Still no news then ? 
 

i do wonder if there’s a fight behind the scenes with the FA and our lawyers. 
 

Cases like Sheffield Wednesday seem to get immediate action because there’s no argument yet us and in the extreme end Man City seem to wait forever. 

The FA has nothing to do with this it’s the EPL. And yes we do fight our corner against the corrupt areseholes.

[grth2004]

9 minutes ago, Globalfox said:

The FA has nothing to do with this it’s the EPL. And yes we do fight our corner against the corrupt areseholes.

Meant EPL obviously 🙄 

Yes I guess we’re massively fighting this that was my point. 

[Sly]

The amount of time, legal costs, propaganda and pure sporting impact that PSR is having on football, proves that is ****ing pointlessly stupid. 
 

Just allow everyone to have free rein like it’s a real business. 
 

Everyone will quickly adjust if they’ve got any sense and not accept multi year deals, whilst preying they get paid as people are still in business.

 

It’s just a joke, as everyone is trying every trip on the book to dodge it. 

[filbertway]

5 minutes ago, Sly said:

The amount of time, legal costs, propaganda and pure sporting impact that PSR is having on football, proves that is ****ing pointlessly stupid. 
 

Just allow everyone to have free rein like it’s a real business. 
 

Everyone will quickly adjust if they’ve got any sense and not accept multi year deals, whilst preying they get paid as people are still in business.

 

It’s just a joke, as everyone is trying every trip on the book to dodge it. 

Im quite in favour of the theory, but the implementation has been laughable really.

 

The main bonus for us is that its stopped up making even bigger losses than we likely would have.

 

People should be freaking out about us making a 200m loss but most people are focused on PSR

 

Spending in English football is well out of control in the main.

[Sly]

Just now, filbertway said:

Im quite in favour of the theory, but the implementation has been laughable really.

 

The main bonus for us is that its stopped up making even bigger losses than we likely would have.

 

People should be freaking out about us making a 200m loss but most people are focused on PSR

 

Spending in English football is well out of control in the main.

In principle though (maybe not us), a team like Newcastle could easily cover £200m a loss, as they look to grow as a brand. It’s almost restricting trade as they’ve had to sell players to comply with PSR. 
 

Mine was more a dig out at the principle.

 

I’d be more in favour of adopting a system that adopts a level playing field, with potentially a salary cap and restricting player hoarding like teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool do. 
 

That way, we’d still likely have talent like Nyoni here as well. 

[filbertway]

17 minutes ago, Sly said:

In principle though (maybe not us), a team like Newcastle could easily cover £200m a loss, as they look to grow as a brand. It’s almost restricting trade as they’ve had to sell players to comply with PSR. 
 

Mine was more a dig out at the principle.

 

I’d be more in favour of adopting a system that adopts a level playing field, with potentially a salary cap and restricting player hoarding like teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool do. 
 

That way, we’d still likely have talent like Nyoni here as well. 

Yeah, thats true.

 

If the owner puts the money up and agrees to be liable for any costs over 90% of the clubs turnover then fill your boots.

 

The main thing is not letting football clubs bear the brunt of horrific financial management of whoever the owner is at the time.

 

Transfer fees and wages being corrected would also help. English clubs spending compared to Spain, Germany and Italy is insane.

 

What you also have to accept though is that it still ends up with an elite few clubs who's owners have the deepest pockets. So all it would end up with is a big disparity between the richest clubs and least rich clubs.

 

Which is what we have now anyway.

[Stadt]

Still not a peep on this? Seems like it might actually be February. Purgatory.

[87fox]

It's surely coming any day now. Timed to cause maximum transfer window disruption (again).

[Donwebbio]

I'm loving the way the club is keeping us in the loop on this one so as to minimise our anxiety over the inevitable points deduction and when it may land. Great work.

[SemperEadem]

1 minute ago, Donwebbio said:

I'm loving the way the club is keeping us in the loop on this one so as to minimise our anxiety over the inevitable points deduction and when it may land. Great work.

What could they possibly say yet?

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

What could they possibly say yet?

Nothing. They’re very likely completely in the dark about when the judgment will come. 

[Donwebbio]

Maybe when the hearing is taking place? Or have i missed that?

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Donwebbio said:

Maybe when the hearing is taking place? Or have i missed that?

It has taken place.