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leicsmac

leicsmac

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4 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Btw as an aside, I watched the Britain and the Blitz documentary on Netflix the other day and it’s a good documentary and I recommend it - but it did get me thinking if the world feeling like it’s spinning out of control and populism going through the roof is at least partly due the lack of catharsis at the end of Covid.

 

I remember under the first lockdown in March 2020 all the talk and announcements from the Queen and Prime Minister and talk that “this was the current generation’s WW2”. And I remember people specifically saying - can you imagine in a couple of years when this is all over it’ll be the biggest party you’ve ever seen - but it never was, it just seemed to get pushed out the news a couple years later by Russia invading Ukraine and that was that.

 

When I see the celebrations of like VE Day and the baby boomer and “post-war consensus” era that followed afterwards until the 1970s - also the catharsis/celebration of the fall of communism/the Berlin Wall and the “end of history”/globalisation that followed afterwards until 2008 - I wonder if the fact we never had that period of catharsis afterwards led to a lot of people going down the populist path? I definitely think more than a small number of people got led down it by Covid (not just regular people but even celebrities like Russell Brand, Matt Le Tissier, Kanye West etc. )

 

I do wonder how much the mental health struggles and isolation a lot of us had never payoff of catharsis to feel like it was “worth it” had led to the world’s shift to populism increasing rapidly the last 4 or 5 years (I’m of course aware it existed beforehand but has definitely noticeably increased post-pandemic).

 

Anyway, just a pet theory after watching the documentary.

There's possibly something in that. 

 

Has anyone born after the early 80s really had any "good times" in the terms described here? I can't think of many, the world seems to have lurched from crisis to crisis since the turn of the millennium. 

 

And, sadly, I fear there's no end to that in the near future, either. 

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bovril

bovril

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9 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Btw as an aside, I watched the Britain and the Blitz documentary on Netflix the other day and it’s a good documentary and I recommend it - but it did get me thinking if the world feeling like it’s spinning out of control and populism going through the roof is at least partly due the lack of catharsis at the end of Covid.

 

I remember under the first lockdown in March 2020 all the talk and announcements from the Queen and Prime Minister and talk that “this was the current generation’s WW2”. And I remember people specifically saying - can you imagine in a couple of years when this is all over it’ll be the biggest party you’ve ever seen - but it never was, it just seemed to get pushed out the news a couple years later by Russia invading Ukraine and that was that.

 

When I see the celebrations of like VE Day and the baby boomer and “post-war consensus” era that followed afterwards until the 1970s - also the catharsis/celebration of the fall of communism/the Berlin Wall and the “end of history”/globalisation that followed afterwards until 2008 - I wonder if the fact we never had that period of catharsis afterwards led to a lot of people going down the populist path? I definitely think more than a small number of people got led down it by Covid (not just regular people but even celebrities like Russell Brand, Matt Le Tissier, Kanye West etc. )

 

I do wonder how much the mental health struggles and isolation a lot of us had never payoff of catharsis to feel like it was “worth it” had led to the world’s shift to populism increasing rapidly the last 4 or 5 years (I’m of course aware it existed beforehand but has definitely noticeably increased post-pandemic).

 

Anyway, just a pet theory after watching the documentary.

In Britain at least I don't think you can understand the rise of populism in the form of e.g. Corbyn, Brexit or even Tommy Robinson without acknowledging our relative economic decline and diminishing global influence. In that sense I think there are many similarities between the UK and post Soviet Russia. And things will get worse I am sure. 

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Parafox

Parafox

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10 hours ago, leicsmac said:

u-turns showing a government is actually listening is a good thing. 

 

Unlike this nasty b**tch :mad:

 

Margaret Thatcher - Quotes, Death & Life

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davieG

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9 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

To deserve respect for listening they’d need to admit they got it wrong and listened.  Unlike Labour canning winter fuel allowance then pretending they found the cash down the back of the sofa to bring it back .  For example.

Sure but there's a big gap between earning respect and the outraging triumphal rhetoric from other politicians  and the media.

Blueman1967

Blueman1967

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2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Am I alone in wondering what’s happening with the analysis of the air India black boxes ?

looks like someone is trying to suppress the reasons for the accident. We should have known by now. 

Have they found the second black box?

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MadsEmil

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15 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Don't have anything left for Cruz or Netanyahu and his cronies but god that chanting is pathetic.

 

They do realise their army is made up of conscripts and unless you're ultraorthodox or Bibis son (incredibly problematic but a different topic), there aren't any exemptions from service? 

 

It's insane how every public figure must pass this new ideological litmus test. You saw it with Skepta who just did his set, got on with it and then got shit on social media because he didn't speak out about the middle east.

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Free Falling Foxes

Free Falling Foxes

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6 minutes ago, MadsEmil said:

Don't have anything left for Cruz or Netanyahu and his cronies but god that chanting is pathetic.

 

They do realise their army is made up of conscripts and unless you're ultraorthodox or Bibis son (incredibly problematic but a different topic), there aren't any exemptions from service? 

 

It's insane how every public figure must pass this new ideological litmus test. You saw it with Skepta who just did his set, got on with it and then got shit on social media because he didn't speak out about the middle east.

I'm expecting some excuse along the lines of he meant the IDF as an entity. He feels it should be disbanded and reformed as something along the lines of, The Israeli Home army.

A total 'rebranding'.

Bollox, I know.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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The whole thing is rather more complex than some of those on all sides would like to reduce it to. And that's a big part of the problem in of itself. 

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MadsEmil

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22 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I'm expecting some excuse along the lines of he meant the IDF as an entity. He feels it should be disbanded and reformed as something along the lines of, The Israeli Home army.

A total 'rebranding'.

Bollox, I know.

The most ridiculous thing about all of this is - there are arab muslims and christians, druze, bedouins, ethiopian jews, men and women alike serving in that army. 

 

But Bob Vylan and the crowd don't care about differentiation or nuance. Which makes it pretty clear to me why they're chanting this and which demographic they're wanting to apply this chant to.

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Trav Le Bleu

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It irks me how much free publicity the BBC gives Glastonbury. It's a commercial venture, it's a brand; surely this breaks rules concerning how it's supposed to operate.

 

Obviously you promote something you're going to be showing, but it seems more than that to me.

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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59 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It irks me how much free publicity the BBC gives Glastonbury. It's a commercial venture, it's a brand; surely this breaks rules concerning how it's supposed to operate.

 

Obviously you promote something you're going to be showing, but it seems more than that to me.

Perhaps they don’t pay much for the rights to broadcast?? 

you could say the same for the World Cup, Wimbledon, Chelsea flower show etc etc 

 

14 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Hopefully, and should be

Very much doubt it 

free speech and all that 

And it’s an entity rather than a person or people that he’s chanting about. It’s extremely distasteful but can’t see a prosecution - the cps would also worry that a jury would acquit, irrespective of the evidence and the law. 

Wymsey

Wymsey

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Just now, st albans fox said:

Very much doubt it 

free speech and all that 

 

True, but look at some currently in prison in this country for a few posts made on Social Media.

 

Am sure Alex Belfield would agree..

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