General News Thread

[kenny]

 

The third resignation from the grooming panel. Crazy to read.

[CornwallFox]

59 minutes ago, kenny said:

Im being silly, he has ran straight to the Guardian. Its odd that he has ran straight to the newspaper with his story.

 

It does pave the way for all asylum seekers to claim France isn't safe if he is allowed to stay so maybe thats his angle.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/22/man-sent-to-france-under-one-in-one-out-scheme-returns-to-uk-on-small-boat

What a ridiculous occurrence.

Kinda shows that it really is going to need pan-european work to stop this though. 

Even if we get the backlog down to zero and get rid of the hotels, they're still going to come without Europe as a whole having the will to fix the problem. It's a bit of a funny one in that right wing people have raised immigration as an issue for some time and could point to small boats as proving them right, but realistically action to truly solve the problem would require working with Europe, spending money on developing countries in Africa and elsewhere - things they don't tend to support. It really shouldn't be that difficult to say asylum seeker numbers are a problem, why don't we stop the routes through Europe and fix the problems at source so they don't feel the need to come in the first place. Alas, those two sides of the coin seem destined to never meet.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, kenny said:

 

The third resignation from the grooming panel. Crazy to read.

I think only a public enquiry is going to satisfy the public concern on this. 
if labour dont bite the bullet on this then they’re going to suffer badly over it 

[foxile5]

4 hours ago, kenny said:

 

The third resignation from the grooming panel. Crazy to read.

The government really don't want to shine a light on anything that might further enflame racial tensions but, in trying to avoid doing so, might well end up really fanning the flames. 

 

The control and manipulation of 'truth' is also really concerning to see playing out. 

 

Spectacular chicanery from a thoroughly disappointing Labour government. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Wrong thread.

 

I'd forgot that the Absolute**** thread is indistinguishable from this one.

Edited 22 October 2025 by Trav Le Bleu

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I think only a public enquiry is going to satisfy the public concern on this. 
if labour dont bite the bullet on this then they’re going to suffer badly over it 

It's a shame. The problems are being stoked by reform types, endlessly throwing issues in the way to create a narrative it's not fair. It's nonsense. It's the worst type of politics.

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, foxile5 said:

The government really don't want to shine a light on anything that might further enflame racial tensions but, in trying to avoid doing so, might well end up really fanning the flames. 

 

The control and manipulation of 'truth' is also really concerning to see playing out. 

 

Spectacular chicanery from a thoroughly disappointing Labour government. 

This is rubbish. The government have done nothing to stop a thoroughly open and transparent process. The issue is reform types lying about that for political gain, and their nonsense reaching survivors. 

[CornwallFox]

BBC News - Child abuse expert pulls out of grooming inquiry over political 'point scoring' - BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zvnd5lno

 

The words of the expert need to be listened to - lies and political manipulation are at the heart of this. Reform and their endless bots are the problem. 

[foxile5]

14 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

This is rubbish. The government have done nothing to stop a thoroughly open and transparent process. The issue is reform types lying about that for political gain, and their nonsense reaching survivors. 

Long standing member of the Labour Party here, despite your snide commentary. 

 

Nice one on the victim blaming though. Not a good look regardless of political affiliation. 

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Long standing member of the Labour Party here, despite your snide commentary. 

 

Nice one on the victim blaming though. Not a good look regardless of political affiliation. 

My commentary was nothing to do with you and everything to do with the horrendous political background to this issue. The current government are doing what the last one failed to do for 14 years but whatever they do isn't enough for the right wing who are using this issue as nothing more than a political football. 

Absolutely no idea how you're reading victim blaming into it just because I mentioned victims. It's absolutely not blaming them that they might have begun to ask questions if the inquiry based on the endless social media nonsense going around. But that also doesn't mean I have agree the inquiry wasn't looking to be good and thorough. 

[Jon the Hat]

On 21/10/2025 at 16:14, Jon the Hat said:

Honestly, I think it is nonsense.  The rich are no more the problem to the man in the street than the immigrants.

@ozleicester You get what I mean though?  On one side we have the right telling the masses that immigrants are the cause of all their problems, and on the other hand, the left telling us the Rich are not paying enough tax and that is the problem.  The truth is neither of those things are the real problem, which is a structural lack of growth to support our growing needs.

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

FM the truth needs to be told irrespective of racial tensions 

 

Without the truth full understanding cannot be ascertained and therefore actions to make sure this never happens again 

 

This government is a totally and utter shambles.

 

Jess Phillips the worst minister in history and that takes some doing 

[leicsmac]

Good to see some Thursday morning hyperbole on here. 

 

On the general topic of the inquiry itself, it looks like only a broad public inquiry will do, however I would be happy for anyone to point out a way forward on this one that doesn't result in innocent people being hurt, given that both the victims obviously deserve answers and there are people out there who would happily utilise this issue to visit bigotry upon innocent people are true. 

Edited 23 October 2025 by leicsmac

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

@ozleicester You get what I mean though?  On one side we have the right telling the masses that immigrants are the cause of all their problems, and on the other hand, the left telling us the Rich are not paying enough tax and that is the problem.  The truth is neither of those things are the real problem, which is a structural lack of growth to support our growing needs.

 

Our economic system has literally been set up to do nothing but create value for shareholders. And those shareholders and their CEOs are taking ever bigger shares of what growth there is. That is a problem. There isn't a fair split between labour and capital, the gap hugely widening in recent decades. It means the nation's work based wealth is being funneled to the top. 

 

On top of that there was over a decade of QE combined with low interest rates which allowed the wealthiest to borrow huge sums at virtually zero cost, causing asset price bubbles across the board as they bought up everything, property, art and a host of other things. So they saw huge gains in their wealth due to bubbles caused by the creation of national debt. 

 

These two things combined need addressing.

[Jon the Hat]

1 minute ago, CornwallFox said:

Our economic system has literally been set up to do nothing but create value for shareholders. And those shareholders and their CEOs are taking ever bigger shares of what growth there is. That is a problem. There isn't a fair split between labour and capital, the gap hugely widening in recent decades. It means the nation's work based wealth is being funneled to the top. 

 

On top of that there was over a decade of QE combined with low interest rates which allowed the wealthiest to borrow huge sums at virtually zero cost, causing asset price bubbles across the board as they bought up everything, property, art and a host of other things. So they saw huge gains in their wealth due to bubbles caused by the creation of national debt. 

 

These two things combined need addressing.

The second point I agree with, but on your first point, shareholders these days are mostly either pension funds or other investment companies, so again the benefit is widely spread when businesses do well.  CEO pay - like Footballers pay it is stupid mostly, but in terms of impact on anyone, they share it with us through income tax at very high rates!  Brilliant. 

[CornwallFox]

7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

The second point I agree with, but on your first point, shareholders these days are mostly either pension funds or other investment companies, so again the benefit is widely spread when businesses do well.  CEO pay - like Footballers pay it is stupid mostly, but in terms of impact on anyone, they share it with us through income tax at very high rates!  Brilliant. 

Most ordinary people are not overwhelmed with stock ownership. The existence of pension and investment funds for the middle class does not change the point that workers are getting every smaller shares of productivity gains, rather than it being shared fairly between workers and investors. You can't just dismiss that at a point in time where we have record economic disparity between the top and bottom and an economy where ordinary people are struggling to buy the shopping even when they have two working adults in the family.

[Jon the Hat]

2 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Most ordinary people are not overwhelmed with stock ownership. The existence of pension and investment funds for the middle class does not change the point that workers are getting every smaller shares of productivity gains, rather than it being shared fairly between workers and investors. You can't just dismiss that at a point in time where we have record economic disparity between the top and bottom and an economy where ordinary people are struggling to buy the shopping even when they have two working adults in the family.

Most ordinary people have a private pension these days though, and this is why companies are owned by these funds, because the sums are huge and growing. 

 

Yes you are right though that we are in a world where work is becoming less valuable, and technology and investment earns ever more and that is a problem.  We need to find ways to have a bigger share of the earnings.

 

[MC Prussian]

I'm surprised the Louvre heist has escaped this thread.

 

First female security chief, a DEI hire rushed through training.

Several rooms lacked cameras. Security personnel numbers have been reduced since the first female museum director took over.

Security displays were changed to less protective ones in order to make the Louvre "more accessible" (and the items thus less safe).

Security personnel went on strike in June to protest against layoffs and security issues.

Instead, the head of the museum invested money into a new ballroom.

 

Incompetence at its highest level. And according to the press, the working conditions are piss-poor.

 

Laughing stock. And deservedly so. Surely was an inside job.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Good to see some Thursday morning hyperbole on here. 

 

On the general topic of the inquiry itself, it looks like only a broad public inquiry will do, however I would be happy for anyone to point out a way forward on this one that doesn't result in innocent people being hurt, given that both the victims obviously deserve answers and there are people out there who would happily utilise this issue to visit bigotry upon innocent people are true. 

Because of the politics this is where we will end up - how long will that decision take …………… 

however, the politicians will decide the reach of the enquiry and that will be another massive argument. 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I'm surprised the Louvre heist has escaped this thread.

 

First female security chief, a DEI hire rushed through training.

Several rooms lacked cameras. Security personnel numbers have been reduced since the first female museum director took over.

Security displays were changed to less protective ones in order to make the Louvre "more accessible" (and the items thus less safe).

Security personnel went on strike in June to protest against layoffs and security issues.

Instead, the head of the museum invested money into a new ballroom.

 

Incompetence at its highest level. And according to the press, the working conditions are piss-poor.

 

Laughing stock. And deservedly so. Surely was an inside job.

I’d seen something that indicated a mobile phone comms link between someone working there and a group of numbers which was apparently  suspicious. 
 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

47 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Most ordinary people have a private pension these days though, and this is why companies are owned by these funds, because the sums are huge and growing. 

 

Yes you are right though that we are in a world where work is becoming less valuable, and technology and investment earns ever more and that is a problem.  We need to find ways to have a bigger share of the earnings.

 

Once again the middle-classes vastly over-estimate the life of the working classes.

[BKLFox]

12 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

This is rubbish. The government have done nothing to stop a thoroughly open and transparent process. The issue is reform types lying about that for political gain, and their nonsense reaching survivors. 

 

12 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

BBC News - Child abuse expert pulls out of grooming inquiry over political 'point scoring' - BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zvnd5lno

 

The words of the expert need to be listened to - lies and political manipulation are at the heart of this. Reform and their endless bots are the problem. 

I’ll take my lead from the 4 victims who have walked away due to their understanding of how this is being progressed and not from some white noise from opposition parties trying to score points.

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Once again the middle-classes vastly over-estimate the life of the working classes.

 

Edited 23 October 2025 by Parafox

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, BKLFox said:

 

I’ll take my lead from the 4 victims who have walked away due to their understanding of how this is being progressed and not from some white noise from opposition parties trying to score points.

The other victims on the panel disagree though. So there's no consensus amongst the victims. 

[Lionator]

As if they let Trump demolish a quarter of the White House, absolute madness